Indie Guilt: C/D

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― Attrib Gendarmes, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I just had my first ever response to my profile on makeoutclub. It said "Hi, you probably don't want to speak to me because i'm ugly and 14. Mail me back".

Brilliant.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

re radio free Busted! i thought i could fool ya for at least a minute with that one. anyway, its a great read - hope those that hadnt already seen it enjoyed it. theres a little tate ainsworth in all of us true indies ... what?

― jeremya, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

eight months pass...

haha revive for old times' sake

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 21 February 2003 07:14 (twenty-three years ago)

..and that would be around the time of the last Southsidecallbox.com update.

― Venus Glow (1411), Friday, 21 February 2003 13:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's harder to dislike indie because if you say indie sucks, your saying art sucks. If there is an entire genre of music where the musicians are allowed to be as creative as they please with nobody telling them what to do or not do, and it sucks, then creativity is dead. That, and I really don't know if indie is a real genre, as unlike things like pop-punk, or ska, they don't really have one thing to fit into.

As for myself, I can't, try as I may, buy into most mainsteam pop, because I know the money will just feed the perpetual shit machine, and no good music will be made.

One more thing, does indie relate to underground rap as well?

― David Allen, Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Can I do the obligatory "hahahahahahahaha"

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:25 (twenty-three years ago)

One more thing, does indie relate to underground rap as well?

No no no no please not this can of worms

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:42 (twenty-three years ago)

you mean UNDERGROUND HIP-HOP???

Racist!

― Millar (Millar), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:44 (twenty-three years ago)

if you say indie sucks, your saying art sucks.

This hurts my head.

― bnw (bnw), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:48 (twenty-three years ago)

this thread is a gift that keeps on giving

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I just read it all for the first time. How entertaining.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:07 (twenty-three years ago)

A glass every night makes your heart stronger. Goes well with crackers.

― donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)

guilt rox u r all crackers

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)

..and that would be around the time of the last Southsidecallbox.com update.

Huh? I'm updating this weekend.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 22 February 2003 19:14 (twenty-three years ago)

derevive!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 22 February 2003 19:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I scrolled through this revived thread at such speed that none of the arguments matter to me. But I am turned on beyond belief by the suggestion made and subliminally absorbed by myself, somewhere in the swamp above, that people should only listen to stuff that has unequal tracks each side. I am turned on by the idea of sides, and turned on by the idea that the number of songs contained by each side matters. Personally, I disagree with the proponent of the theory. I disagree exactly. I am for the even, not the odd. I want balance. I am prejudiced against eleven tracks in total, or thirteen. Some have fifteen! I like ten (five each side). Twelve is pushing it, but evenly. 'Station to Station' feels like contraband with its glorious six. But the people I like best are those I disagree with exactly, without whom I would have nothing to say.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)

David: thanks, you've made this very old man smile.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:13 (twenty-three years ago)

(the 'Indie Guilt C/D' done gone platinum. and so long 'go, i see. woah. then again, seeing that the recent Xgau record is threatening to strike double platinum... does this make Xgau more pop than indie, or wot?)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Saturday, 22 February 2003 23:52 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...

I...see

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 24 March 2003 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry guys, i had to see what gygax! was talking about. Forgive me.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 24 March 2003 21:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Just like freakin' Pandora . . .

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 24 March 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Still, he has a point...

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:05 (twenty-three years ago)

(desperately tries to stuff it back in)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

well, yeah, gygax! is right -- some people on ILM are like reformed smokers, the bright light of zealotry shining in their feral eyes as the denounce cigarettes while secretly yearning to light up.

"I really do want to like what everyone else likes! I want to be Everyman!"

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:32 (twenty-three years ago)

someone on this board has a matador sticker on their fridge which they have tried to peel off! they shall remain nameless...

FOR NOW!

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

but i cannot be guaranteed to keep my silence

FOREVER

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:51 (twenty-three years ago)

yes we're all like reformed smokers to your bowl of stinky disgusting ash jack

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:54 (twenty-three years ago)

i wonder who it could be?!

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:55 (twenty-three years ago)

someone who will remain nameless is trying to quit smoking...

:-D

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:12 (twenty-three years ago)

'studies show that thanks to stringent anti-smoking legislation across the US, indie is now the leading cause of cancer'

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:34 (twenty-three years ago)

the main problem with jack's analogy is of course that no one ever had a hole cut in their throat for listening to slint

oh and that hard as it is for some smokers to admit, some people have never had the urge.

i still smoke occasionally, mostly when out with friends. this IS olympia after all

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:40 (twenty-three years ago)

not me, gygax! ;) (we know how well that went last year after the weapons of mass of destruction were almost set off)

Isn't peer pressure like a trachiotomy?

(also, jess, i am sympathetic about where you live -- i know i could never set up my tent there).

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:45 (twenty-three years ago)

also, for the record, i still don't believe in indie as a musical genre.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:47 (twenty-three years ago)

it's really not so bad. like most places, i worry about the rednecks more than the kids with their pants cuffed up to their nuts and ill-fitting sweatervests.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:47 (twenty-three years ago)

ha ha ha, well i've had my fill of rednecks for a life time too seeing as where i am from and my family. Olympia is two flavors that taste great together. Had a friend that lived there and worked in a small public library in a small dead timber town outside of Olympia, so I knoweth whateth you speaketh of.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:52 (twenty-three years ago)

okay i was wrong... i thought with age came wisdom? :-D

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:55 (twenty-three years ago)

ha ha ha, when was that ever true, gygax!?

wanna come over and listen to bright eyes, cursive and rilo kiley? can you bring over your good life records?

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 01:02 (twenty-three years ago)

beware the owls of g(o)(o)gle...

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 01:12 (twenty-three years ago)

― Wintermute (Wintermute), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

question: damm now i'm confused, whats the difference betwien "Alternative", "Underground" and "Indie". i'v read somewhere that "Indie = british definition of Alternative" Like Weezer = "Alternative" and Blur = "Indie", though Non of them is "Underground". the definitions point to the same spot of "Artistic Freedom" but the geners somehow point to a totaly different directions which a lot of them don't express "Artistic Freedom" in any way.

― rex jr., Tuesday, 25 March 2003 14:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean is KrautRock "Underground"? it certainly wasn't mainstream but is "Underground" a gener anyway? Krautrock is mostly "Prog/Art/Avant-Garde" wich was underground at that time.

― rex jr., Tuesday, 25 March 2003 14:23 (twenty-three years ago)

no one ever had a hole cut in their throat for listening to slint

yet

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Whatever happened to that Missy Elliot anyway?

― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)

She got like totally dissed on South Park, man

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:49 (twenty-three years ago)

speaking of fleeting affectations

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Almost every sensitive rock band gets the "Indie" tag. whats "Independant" or "Arty" about that? hehe.

Nate: not that i'm a big fan of the show but, is there realy an episode featuring Missy??

― rex jr., Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

indie should only be used in reference to distribution. indie = santa. it shouldn't exist as a genre. it maybe did at one point though. the legend of a kind thing went too far.

alternative = new wave. solely a marketing word used to get the records to the demographic. did anyone use the word alternative as a music genre before '90 or so?

underground is similar to indie. it's a state of availability, not style.

indie guilt is dumb... that's like feeling embarassed that you used to believe in santa claus. it's all about the giving. did you stop giving gifts or doing nice things for people during the holidays after the santa thing floated away? does it still rock? well then, there you go!

scarcity may create value... but not real value. only 500 copies of poo won't make poo any more special. likewise, 5 million copies of poo sounds more like a regional sewage system.
m.

― msp, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Sort of. The (mostly shitty) season premiere had a bit on a spaceship where some alien attempted to address the kids but needed to assume an unthreatening form to make communication easier (see "Contact"). Missy was one of the forms the kids objected to, as were Don King and Santa Claus and a few others. Finally they all agreed on Cartman's choice: a taco that craps ice cream.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:31 (twenty-three years ago)

i agree with almost everything you said msp, except for the term "underground", which sets up more of an oppositional dichotomy with implications of "being revolutionary" or "forced" underground etc -- none of which is necessarily true just because a band or a critic may use the term.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:48 (twenty-three years ago)

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