Sublime: Classic or Dud

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this is fucking music people. in my mind and my opinion sublime will always be a classic and ive heard alot of music. you cant give a definitive for sure answer for everything when music is concerned. you just listen to it. you like it or you dont like it. io respect everyones opinion that says sublime isnt a classic. but all the arguing in the world wont change my minf on this one cause i've liked almost everything sublime hads ever done and i cant say that about any other band. i guess we can agree to disagree on this one. cheers

― dubz, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what it all boils down is that this is just f-ing music people. in my mind and my opinion sublime will always be a classic and ive heard alot of music. you cant give a definitive for sure answer for everything when music is concerned. you just listen to it. you like it or you dont like it. io respect everyones opinion that says sublime isnt a classic. but all the arguing in the world wont change my minf on this one cause i've liked almost everything sublime hads ever done and i cant say that about any other band. i guess we can agree to disagree on this one. cheers

― dubz, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh yeah and im not going to mention any name but ive seen some of you lame over the hill sobs on here arguing over electronic music. ive also seen some of you all hyped over the last "brandy" song or re used beat by some lame ass r n b artist. electronic music has no heart and no soul although yeah its good for a certain time of place. im not a hater like most of you are so i wont bash what you listen to.

― dubz, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

damn non-updating cache.

― dubz, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

julio i wz not beating up on you

― mark s, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

OK then, I thought it was mark s.

― Julio Desouza, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

im not a hater like most of you are so i wont bash what you listen to

Call me doubtful on this point.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

classic .

― dyson, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...

Great thread. Can one of the old-timers post an "Attack of the Googlers" best-of comp? I need more of this comedy and it's not too easy to search for.

(oh and btw, DUD)

― Keith C (kcraw916), Monday, 14 March 2005 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 March 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i'll still rep for sublime especially the 4 track recorded "Robbin the Hood" which honestly is some of the best homemade dub ive ever heard in my life. his voice still makes me wish i could sing like that. the boy had soul.

― charleston charge (chaki), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i used to love robbin the hood - havent heard that or anything else in years, but listening to my brand new copy of Early yesterday i realized that though they have diametrically opposed sensibilities there are some kind of parallels between how i liked Sublime and that era of Scritti Politti that i am now very fond of. right now I'd still have to say Sublime is a dud for the assy lyrics and fanbase.

― artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

yah but you cant call band dud because of bad lyrics (new order) and fanbase (new order)

― charleston charge (chaki), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"badfish" is a great song.

― reo, Monday, 14 March 2005 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I think this band (esp. their early work) is due for a HUGE critical reevaluation.

essentially: chaki OTM

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

There are some tunes on the self-titled album that are fucking great. There are some monster duds on it as well, but mostly I think this band was very good.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

And the guy could sing, yeah. "Jail House" and "Garden Grove" are two great vocal performances.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Dudley McDuddy-Dud-Dud von Dud.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I like "Santeria."

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure why, but I don't put them at the same level as all the other shitty fat white guy bands. somehow they seemed above it, but then again, I've heard about 3 Sublime songs.

― his face was burned off in a flaming crossbow accident (King Kobra), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

My solution for Orange County: Tactical Nukes. Sublime sucked and gave a generation of hippies and jocks the soundtrack to their lives and my headache when I was trapped in a car with them.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

....not dud. not Classic, but not dud.

I haven't read the whole thread here, but from the looks of things most of the people that hate are hating the fans, not the band.

― giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

CLASSIC THEY ARE SO TALENTED AND GOOD!!!!!

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)

For real though, they're almost classic. Their self-titled is overrated as hell, but I love about 75% of 40 oz to freedom.

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Or I guess you could say I love 30 of the 40 ounces.

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Dud (ot: Dude)

The punk rock version of Jimmy Buffet

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

DUD! Sublime are about as classic as hash leaf accessories and ornamental bongs.

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

chaki and gygax! are more right than any of you will ever know!

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I like about 6/10s of the 20th Century Masters CD I have. But that 2/3s I like a lot.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

You fuckin' fags only listen to whats on MTV and you shop at Hollister and have gay looking hair cuts.

― Hardcore emO=GAY, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 20:08 (twenty years ago)

and you care enough to point it out, which i think is sweet

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 20:12 (twenty years ago)

I presume this is the same person who just sent me this:

Subject: Sublime Sure as hell did not inspire this shitty band
From: "ned Raggett is a Fagget"
Date: Wed, May 3, 2006 1:59 pm
To: [email protected]
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Hawththorn heights is my least fav band because hardcore music is gay

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Umm...
Are you in the right thread even??

(dud)

― Tommy Tannoy (Tommy Tannoy), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

dud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 4 May 2006 04:59 (twenty years ago)

{ford dealership spam deleted]

― FordDealershipsTolstoy, Thursday, 4 May 2006 06:18 (twenty years ago)

TODAY WHILE LISTENING TO SUBLIME I DECIDED I NEED A FORD TRUCK TO DRIVE TO GARBAGE GROVE

― city of gyros (chaki), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:01 (twenty years ago)

chaki my love for you is like a river

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:43 (twenty years ago)

And Alex in NYC, my love for you hardly feels like love.

― Confounded (Confounded), Thursday, 4 May 2006 10:28 (twenty years ago)

Sublime is a deff. awesome band && there a classic! No doubt about it. x3

― Sandi, Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Yes, they certainly are deff. TONEDEFF HAW HAW

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― Telephonething (Telephonething), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

of the few sublime threads i've ever read, it always gets down to 'god, i hate their cult!' it's been a decade now and apparently the painful context in which this group was heard STILL can't be escaped.

― Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:41 (twenty years ago)

Based on the examples of the cult who posted on the thread, I have to say I'm not THAT surprised.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:44 (twenty years ago)

(By which I mean Them Googlers rather than Good People like Chaki, Gear, etc., who can actually write.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:45 (twenty years ago)

well this is an old thread and i stumbled on it while googling but i just wanted to say something.

i was born in 1970 in long beach california and actually was very tight friends growing up with the drummer of sublime, a guy by the name of bud gaugh. i knew of sublime from its inception in 1986 and i watched them rehearse, play shitty punker parties and clubs, and eventually sell out theatres and shit all over california. they were all really nice, down to earth guys and fun to be around. i read something up there about the lead singer having a monster ego, which is untrue, bradley was one of the humblest dudes i ever met. as for musical influence or whatever i'm just a punk from southern california, i can't help you there, but they kicked some mean shit back in the day and they were really, truly a great band and great guys (and rad as hell when it came to surfing)..

just wanted to say something since i actually knew all these guys way back in the mist.

― MC, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

they were kinda too fat to surf

― city of gyros (chaki), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 22:39 (twenty years ago)

nah man, they could surf, you gotta remember brad was dope thin for most of the time i knew him, he did put on some weight when he kicked, when i last saw him in..january of 1996 he was pudgy and eric (the bass player) has always been big but that's really nothing relevant to surfing.

besides man what does being fat have anything to do with making good records?

― MC, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 00:52 (twenty years ago)

what does being fat have anything to do with making good records?

it has *everything* to do with making good records

― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 00:54 (twenty years ago)

TODAY MARKS THE 10 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE DEATH OF BRADLEY NOWELL

Today I will bow my head in remembrance of him. Today I will bow my head in remembrance of him stumbling down Long Beach Blvd smacked out on heroin. Today I will remember Sublime for what they were: A 3rd rate Bad Brains. Today I will bow my head in remembrance...while taking a dump.

― Matt H, Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

SUBLIME AND BAD BRAINS REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EACHOTHER. BAD BRAINS MUSIC WAS MUCH MORE SINISTER. ILL SMOKE AN L FOR BRAD TODAY.

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:48 (twenty years ago)

After reading this whole webposting dealio I'm actually really surprised. I didnt know there was this much disgusting and pointless hate and contempt for a band that (from my understanding) didnt have anything but love for everyone. When you get down to it (as has been said before) it's just music. I dont think Bradley or anyone in Sublime would want anyone wasting their time pointlessly bickering and not proving anything.

Personally I think that a lot of Bradley's lyrics are meaningful and powerful, and if you dont, then whatevers that's totally fine, you don't have to listen to them at ALL. I feel privelidged to be able to listen to sublime and take in all of the emotion and soul that Bradley put into every song. If all the nay-sayers on this thread dont get that, then I guess I kinda feel sorry that they dont get out of it what I do, but i dont think that is any reason to bash them back. I cant believe such hardcore Sublime fans say shit like "ned Raggett is a Fagget" and "You fuckin' fags only listen to whats on MTV and you shop at Hollister and have gay looking hair cuts". I mean I dont understand where all of this anger and offensiveness comes from, but I dont get any of that feeling from Sublime or Bradley.

In the words of Bradley himself "Good music is good music, and that should be enough for anybody." So why doesnt everyone just listen and let listen, so to speak, and just at LEAST stop all this stupid name calling, POINTLESS arguments, and short cheap shots like calling them a 3rd rate Bad Brains?

P.S. Although it may be HARD for some of you guys to believe, but I haven't smoked weed for 2 years now, and BELIEVE IT OR NOT!!! I still like sublime, so lets just stop that generalization shall we?

― Now I'm Right Back..., Sunday, 28 May 2006 12:54 (twenty years ago)

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