I really like Skynet too, it's a great cohesive hour.
― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 26 May 2007 10:08 (seventeen years ago) link
Looking forward to seeing M500 live tomorrow night at the DEMF. I expect nothing but surprises...
― Capitaine Jay Vee, Saturday, 26 May 2007 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link
Still indignant about the dude maligning Skynet at the top of this thread.
"Never Tempt Me" has such great vocals, the album's tootling along nicely and then you get this near-fuzz bassline and drawly voice and everything steps up to another level.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 17:17 (sixteen years ago) link
see there were 'Game One' remixes last year. any good?
i also love 'Rebound' and 'Idea 1' from the 'Futurepast EP' - these MUST be older than 2004 tho ('I-94' is on this as well so all from the same time - all v playful sounding).
22. Juan Atkins - Other side of life had never heard this until i got this CD - so great + his Inner City moment
― blueski, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 17:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Model 500's "The Chase" sounds like something I would want to hear in a tropical coast level of a Sega CD era racing game.
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:20 (sixteen years ago) link
haha yeah totally, it reminds me of the out-run soundtrack, something about that midi guitar line
― r1o natsume, Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.discogs.com/release/19657
― Display Name, Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link
haha yeah totally, it reminds me of the out-run soundtrack, something about that midi guitar line-- r1o natsume, Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:43 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
-- r1o natsume, Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:43 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
Strangely I was reading an interview with a Sega music guy before I listened to this and it just seemed right.
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 20 March 2008 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link
R&S are reissuing Model 500's Classics along with a few other albums on CD (Aphex Twin's SAW1, Ken Ishii's Jelly Tones). Beatport are advertising Deep Space as part of the series, but I don't know if that's coming out physically or if it's download-only.
― Telephone thing, Thursday, 20 March 2008 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link
TAKING SIDES TAKING SIDES TAKING SIDES
INFINITI
vs
MODEL 500
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 04:26 (sixteen years ago) link
M500
― Display Name, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 05:21 (sixteen years ago) link
game one vs cosmic courier
― elan, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 06:44 (sixteen years ago) link
i might vote for infiniti ... do we need track by track breakdown?
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 10:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Everyone (except Vahid Mk I) OTM about Deep Space - esp. Mike when he says "I think he managed to nail the "Detroit techno as future jazz" tag on several cuts with this album."
Also I agree with this:
"Now the dust has settled on the first wave of that Detroit techno thing, it's his music that shines the most."
― Tim F, Monday, 30 June 2008 09:52 (sixteen years ago) link
it took a
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 30 June 2008 10:11 (sixteen years ago) link
enigmatic!
― Tim F, Monday, 30 June 2008 10:13 (sixteen years ago) link
oops
it took a while for "deep space" to click with me but it finally did.
still, i really do still think that his "infiniti" work is better than his "model 500" work. there are great model 500 tracks like "starlight" and "i wanna be there" but "game one" lords over them all and i think the infiniti albums are really amazing when taken as whole works, much more so than "mind and body" and with an edge over "deep space".
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 30 June 2008 10:15 (sixteen years ago) link
i should proofread my posts for redundancy
Vahid you didn't respond to my Quentin Harris questions on the Dennis Ferrer thread :-(
― Tim F, Monday, 30 June 2008 10:16 (sixteen years ago) link
I agree with vahid re Infiniti>Model 500, to the extent that when i saw M500 live a few weeks back the enjoyment was stifled by this colossal urge to want to hear 'game one', 'i-94', 'skyway' and 'rebound' alongside 'cosmic cars' etc.
― blueski, Monday, 30 June 2008 13:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Track down the remix of Annette's Dream 17 and you might change your mind about Derrick. Juan and Derrick are about equal in the 80's. The 90's are a different story...
― Display Name, Monday, 30 June 2008 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link
anyone going to see him tonight?
― the table is the table, Friday, 1 August 2008 21:37 (sixteen years ago) link
torn knee ligament here :(
― blunt, Friday, 1 August 2008 22:04 (sixteen years ago) link
how was juan atkins last night ?
― oscar, Saturday, 2 August 2008 22:08 (sixteen years ago) link
pretty good-- he played a lot more proto-house and house than i expected, but also did some major detroit damage too. well worth it!
― the table is the table, Sunday, 3 August 2008 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link
he was great! i missed the beginning of his set, but he finished with some disco classics; karen young "hot shot," young & company "i like what youre doing to me," etc. there's a review on this blog: http://bananaspam.blogspot.com/2008/08/juan-atkins-at-bodyheat-part-two.html
― one time, Sunday, 3 August 2008 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link
What about remixes? I have this vague recollection of Dan Sicko talking about something that JA remixed on a small Detroit label around a decade ago that was supposed to be amazing.
― Shh! It's NOT Me!, Friday, 5 December 2008 01:36 (fifteen years ago) link
TAKING SIDES
I actually like Infiniti and cybotron stuff better than M500 overall
― X-101, Friday, 5 December 2008 09:52 (fifteen years ago) link
don't force me to choose! it will hurt. how about a top 5 tracks instead?1. Cybotron "Enter"2. Model 500 "Starlight"3. Model 500 "Night Drive"4. Infiniti "Game One'5. Model 600 "Update"
yeah it is a canonical list but the canon is a canon for a reason. also i haven't heard skynet net, i just have the single.
― Shh! It's NOT Me!, Friday, 5 December 2008 10:01 (fifteen years ago) link
To understand the marvel that is Deep Space, you need to suck deep on the Devil's weed.
― moley, Friday, 5 December 2008 14:10 (fifteen years ago) link
"starlight" remixes on echospace ... gilding the lily, or what?
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Mike Huckaby's S Y N T H Mix
^^ ps everyone is creaming themselves whenever they see this after a track name but imo this new huckaby direction is not that great
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link
some of that stuff just sounds like it's sufficiently sophisticated "intelligent" dub techno/house that would be shopping mall music except that it's too depressing.
― Coal Scuttle Now Meaningless, Monday, 8 December 2008 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link
your comment is trite and lazy
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 16:19 (fifteen years ago) link
perhaps you think so. just because something is ultra well produced and lush and coming from a very respected stable/part of the world does not make entertaining, that's my point. there's very little to get excited about and a lot of it is completely useless music for djing with. where is the rhythm?
what was your reason for dislike?
― Coal Scuttle Now Meaningless, Monday, 8 December 2008 16:23 (fifteen years ago) link
"shopping mall music" is a lazy thing to say. but "completely useless for dj'ing" is, i guess, at least arguable
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 17:46 (fifteen years ago) link
where is the rhythm vahid?
― Yentl vs Predator (blueski), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 17:52 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.dynamicflight.com/avcfibook/communication/3-5.gif
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 18:11 (fifteen years ago) link
those would all make good UR track titles
― Yentl vs Predator (blueski), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link
haha
― moley, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link
i like "guard against daydreaming"
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 07:08 (fifteen years ago) link
i listened to this again tonight and i think that compared to a lot of dub techno this set of remixes is actually *unusually* rhythmic, especially compared to the other recent batch of echospace releases
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 07:09 (fifteen years ago) link
The "Starlight" remix was good, if completely by-the-numbers. So yeah, I agree with you.
Ten years ago, I would have not accepted any answer other than "Derrick May", but now, I'm convinced that the most valuable treasure trove lies in Kevin Saunderson's work. Atkins' complaints in the 1994 Wired interview about commercial radio not accepting techno are a bit baffling, considering that KS had supplied the blueprint for radio-friendly techno years earlier.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link
"by the numbers" is exactly what i thought
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:30 (fifteen years ago) link
thing is they really do set their own stalls out so well, each one covering an area (not in terms of what their tracks do but in how they sound doing it) the other two tend don't so much (with some exceptions no doubt e.g. when i heard Atkins 'Other Side Of Life' i wished Inner City had sounded a bit more like that)
i don't know if Atkins had in mind the kind of music Saunderson hit with when he said that but yeah if he meant 'why can't we hear 'Game One' or 'Star Dancer' during drive time?' then altho i agree with him that would be 'unrealistic'
― Yentl vs Predator (blueski), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:36 (fifteen years ago) link
"by the numbers" very meaningful. good to see the trite criticisms shot down convincingly with that ray of meaning.
― Local Garda, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:40 (fifteen years ago) link
RS: 12 | Guns n' Roses: Chinese Democracy
They had this ranking all gift-wrapped and ready to go by September, didn't they?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link
whoa, wrong thread, sorry!
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 17:09 (fifteen years ago) link
"by the numbers" is at least saying something about the music in relation to other musics, whereas "shopping mall music" just tells us about the listener's social prejudices
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link
in relation to the listener's opinion of other musics you mean?
a lot of shopping malls play a sort of house music that you don't hear in clubs too much, which is heavy on melody, eg all those "bargrooves" compilations. I agree with the above poster that dub house/techno in 2008 (esp the Detroit guys like Scott/Huckaby etc) is veering towards this territory, albeit with a great deal more respect given. it's some seriously gloopy shit which is great to listen to but can't imagine dancing to it apart from perhaps way afterhours.
As to whether calling something shopping mall music denotes prejudice, think you're jumping the gun there.
― Local Garda, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link