"Burzum meets Bone Thugs n Harmony" is the descriptor given in a recent Noisey article re: their new record "The Ark Work". I love those things individually, and could see a raw black metal rap project being incredible, but I have sincere doubts about this one.
― Tomás Piñon (Ryan), Thursday, 19 February 2015 23:25 (nine years ago) link
three songs in and it seems like it's just the vocals having a more hip hop cadence rather than something more blatant. sounds pretty cool imo
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Friday, 20 February 2015 00:15 (nine years ago) link
I am pleasantly surprised to say I am enjoying the hell out of this. There is absolutely no way any metal fans are going to be down with this weird like, Bizzy Bone x Blut Aus Nord style, but it's doing something for me.
― Tomás Piñon (Ryan), Friday, 20 February 2015 03:44 (nine years ago) link
On first listen it sounds joyous and glittery.
― Simon H., Friday, 20 February 2015 04:09 (nine years ago) link
"Reign Array", my goodness
― Simon H., Friday, 20 February 2015 04:24 (nine years ago) link
This is surprisingly good. But man, is this gonna piss some folks off, and I completely understand that reaction.
But yeah, "Reign Array" and "Kel Valhaal" are so great.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 20 February 2015 23:25 (nine years ago) link
I really don't know what to think of this album as a whole, but the first three tracks are amazing together. Love the horns.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 22:25 (nine years ago) link
Since seeing EZ's tweet about this album over the weekend I've been really anxious to hear it. Also anxious to see the kvlt blow their lids over it. Not so anxious for another twelve dozen thinkpieces about Liturgy though.
― ƋППṍӮɨ∏ğڵșěᶉᶇдM℮ (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 22:29 (nine years ago) link
given that a huge part of Bone Thugs' appeal is that they harmonize I'm a little skeptical of this presskit look
Not so anxious for another twelve dozen thinkpieces about Liturgy though.
otm
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 23:01 (nine years ago) link
that's why I'm hoping everyone will just agree this is rad
― Simon H., Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:06 (nine years ago) link
strongly disliked "quetzalcoatl" when it got linked to metalthread a month or so back. not cuz impure, but the lifeless vocals really repelled me. i quite liked the more densely packed of the songs two main sections, but not enough to get me over the dreary rest. still curious...
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:13 (nine years ago) link
― EZ Snappin, Friday, February 20, 2015 6:25 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
y do you understand this reaction? liturgy are just doin liturgy. prescriptive black metallers who accept nazi bands but not hendrix's attempts to "transcend the haptic void" are the worst people
― Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:36 (nine years ago) link
I understand because people will be expecting metal of some sort based on the band's past and this isn't a metal album.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:51 (nine years ago) link
it's sort of a metal album
― Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:33 (nine years ago) link
i'm on my third trip through "reign array", and while the blackmetal signposting is very clear (mostly in the guitars), i'm more inclined to call this metal-influenced progressive indierock than metal as such. not sure what to make of it, tbh, but at least it's not yr standard-issue anything. though i like this track a good deal more than "quetzalcoatl", dude's vocals are still a big problem.
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:34 (nine years ago) link
this came up after reign array last time through. you're welcome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcTlFxkmDhk
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:37 (nine years ago) link
Today, we continue to praise and glorify God, through a multiple, array of gifts and talents displayed through the presentation of theatrical type arts currently known, more commonly, as mime and praise dancing.
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:38 (nine years ago) link
from his transcendental black metal essay from 2k10 or 11 or something:
the burst beat is a hyper blast beat, a blast beat that ebbs, flows, expands and contracts, breathes.
i think they've really accomplished this here, especially on quetzalcotl
― Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:40 (nine years ago) link
the vocals are starting to remind me of Liars, which is fine by me
― Simon H., Wednesday, 25 February 2015 03:14 (nine years ago) link
he sounds kinda like panda bear
― Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 03:16 (nine years ago) link
otm, was thinking the same thing earlier on. but in a bad way.
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 03:34 (nine years ago) link
well I tried listening to this but it's not really my thing, cheers to people who dig it, it's all good
metal-influenced progressive indierock
I would cut "progressive" from here - the riffs for sure are metallic but the presentation, all the aesthetic choices, are really...the kind of indie rock that was popular around 2007?
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 04:26 (nine years ago) link
I loved the indie rock that was popular around 2007 (I'm guessing you mean Battles, Fang Island, perhaps even Parts & Labor or so) and I've been missing it, and yeah, this does sound a bit like that. But that was always a bit progressive inspired as well.
I like this album more and more, but it doesn't flow as much as I want it to.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
prescriptive black metallers who accept nazi bands but not hendrix's attempts to "transcend the haptic void" are the worst people
this is not a binary
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
uh you guys what is this
― gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link
he is trying to transcend the haptic void duh
http://www.radicalmatters.com/metasound/pdf/Hideous.Gnosis.Black.Metal.Theory.Symposium.I.pdf
― primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link
i saw greg fox drumming last weekend (not with liturgy) and i have some observations
1) what a maniac! wow. made it look so easy too. 2) he is the healthiest looking metal drummer i have seen in probably ever, kudos to him for that and also for wearing a shirt3) i need to check out guardian alien bc i'm not sure i care about this band but he was an incredible drummer
― groundless round (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
no offense intended at other metal drummers -- they are probably v healthy
― groundless round (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:07 (nine years ago) link
He's amazing. Definitely check out his work with Guardian Alien and Zs.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:12 (nine years ago) link
have enjoyed a GA record or two but when I saw them play it was kind of like a set-length drum solo with some other parts added as an afterthought
sick (healthy) drummer though for sure
― Reader, I murder dem (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:17 (nine years ago) link
i still have to listen to that Zs record. he talks about some healthy stuff here:http://noisey.vice.com/en_ca/blog/greg-fox-guardian-alien-interview
― lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
I caught these guys last night. The songs really blossomed for me in a live setting; Hunt-Hendrix's voice sinks back and lets everything else take center stage. "Reign Array" was gorgeous and majestic.
Talking to friends, it seems they've been a bit hit or miss on this tour. Last night was hit after hit, even with a guitar dying on the second to last song. Greg Fox launched into a hypnotic solo as they sorted out replacement gear and then it was straight back to business.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 April 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link
Washington Post loves the drummer. Article on him
http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/the-joy-of-drumming-with-liturgys-greg-fox/2015/04/06/75e66b4a-dc71-11e4-a500-1c5bb1d8ff6a_story.html
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 April 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
They should love Greg! Everyone should love Greg. Very nice guy, and a joy to watch and hear.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 April 2015 14:29 (nine years ago) link
i just impulse bought a ticket to the show fridayi will turn into a pumpkin at midnight, but i'll get to catch the openers and they're pretty good (horse lords and another band i don't know) and a little of liturgy if i'm lucky. his whole worldview re drumming is really otm and inspiring
― groundless round (La Lechera), Thursday, 9 April 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link
Yes! Seeing Liturgy and Horse Lords on a double bill is a rad idea
― the tune was space, Thursday, 9 April 2015 16:50 (nine years ago) link
The show in Dallas was Horse Lords at 8, Sannhet at 9 and Liturgy at 10. I was home by 11:30. It was awesome.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
Hm, that might be worth a trip to Montreal.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:02 (nine years ago) link
Liturgy, Horse Lords, and Sannhet sounds very exhausting.
I'm looking forward to catching them with Lightning Bolt in a few weeks!
― Tomás Piñon (Ryan), Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:11 (nine years ago) link
this show starts at 9 so i expect to miss some liturgy but that's ok bc i have a (really long) class to teach the next morning
― groundless round (La Lechera), Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:21 (nine years ago) link
Sund4r I'll be at that showGreg is amazing, Guardian Alien is amazing
― got a long list of ilxors (fgti), Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
It wasn't exhausting at all. Maybe 2 hours and 10 minutes of music total, spread out over three hours and in pretty different styles.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:36 (nine years ago) link
Listening to Kel Valhaal for the first time
:D
― twunty fifteen (imago), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:57 (eight years ago) link
all of metal heard this song and cried and cried
― twunty fifteen (imago), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:58 (eight years ago) link
just the best sort of annoying
― twunty fifteen (imago), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 22:00 (eight years ago) link
Why would metal cry at what sounds like a CD of In The Nursery skipping?
― jimmy falloff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 8 October 2015 03:44 (eight years ago) link
seriously
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 8 October 2015 05:43 (eight years ago) link
this album is brilliant. 'reign array' and 'follow II' the highights but it all makes sense to me.
― twunty fifteen (imago), Thursday, 8 October 2015 09:10 (eight years ago) link
imo Kel Valhaal is totally their career highpoint to date, to the extent that you could bin near enough all their other songs and I wouldn't be too bothered
it's also kind of a nonsense setting up this imaginary confrontation with 'metal' - if I'd heard it first w/o knowing it was Liturgy I'd guess it had come from that Mego/PAN side of the tracks and wouldn't have given metal music/culture any consideration. which I'd say was a success wrt what I imagine Liturgy were trying to achieve here
― these are my pincers and if you don't like them I have udders (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 8 October 2015 09:11 (eight years ago) link
yer right, but the narrative is so hard to escape
― twunty fifteen (imago), Thursday, 8 October 2015 09:15 (eight years ago) link
Relating to Krallice, I'd also really recommend guitarist Mick Barr's solo albums as Octis/Ocrilim and duo albums as Orthrelm as well--they're a bit more of a hybrid btw metal and other repetitive riff-based genres like minimalist classical music and post-hardcore
― call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Monday, 16 November 2020 00:08 (three years ago) link
i have potentially many, many recommendations but it seems important instead to note that the other advance song off the new Liturgy is maybe even crazier than the first
― imago, Monday, 16 November 2020 23:34 (three years ago) link
It's a trap (-influenced intro)
― call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 03:24 (three years ago) link
thread. bow down
A year ago yesterday we performed Origin of the Alimonies in LA. We had organized a west coast Liturgy tour (of regular non-opera shows) around it - our first in years, with a new lineup - and I had decided to suddenly release H.A.Q.Q. at the beginning of the tour. We almost https://t.co/0eAdtyiqk9— Liturgy (@LITVRGY) November 18, 2020
― imago, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link
The new album is quite something.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
it really is, eh
and now i'm onto the messiaen cover, which is...just...
― imago, Friday, 20 November 2020 10:44 (three years ago) link
Pre-ordered it on bandcamp but no sign of the complete mp3 album as of yet today 👀
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 20 November 2020 11:31 (three years ago) link
Loving it so far. The advance tracks really benefit from being heard in context.
― jmm, Friday, 20 November 2020 17:07 (three years ago) link
really loved that hunter twittwr thread. i’m def someone who def thought liturgy’s whole thing was too pretentious to bear but i’m glad i’ve since come around. the ark work deserved better from me and from most of the people who heard it
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 20 November 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link
Same. I was thrown off by the vocals on Ark Work and probably dismissed it too quickly. I haven't really followed them since.
Origin is amazing though. I'm happy to finally connect with this band.
― jmm, Friday, 20 November 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link
Performative snootiness: on.Having just listened to the thing in its entirety, it’s a mildly competent late Romantic/early modernist classical pastiche for the most part, with a couple of jazzy/free improv signifiers thrown in for good measure. Oh and some screamo trap why because it look intersting. The glitchy and black metal bits feel tacked on and are paradoxically aimed at enhancing the project’s crossover appeal. The Messiaen geetar cover doesn’t add enough to the organ original to make me want to hear it again. Not is the would-be narrative/operatic ploy a point in its favour, since it only serves to cover up the lack of immanent structural momentum throughout. I suppose I’d be less annoyed if it wasn’t hailed as an auteur masterstroke by folks who otherwise don’t give a rat’s derrière about contemporary notated ‘art’ music and who are unlikely to engage with it beyond this one heartbreaking work of staggering genius whose vibratory strings will make your hypostatic pneuma swoon at the end of Bergsonian time like the quatuor of Jonny Greenwood fame.Performative snootiness: off.Other than that, it’s not bad. Too much esprit, not enough esprit critique aka 6/10.I’mma show myself out.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link
2/10 title btw. Origin of the Alimoniae would have been more befitting.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:20 (three years ago) link
I don't have enough of a background in contemporary notated art music to analyze it from that angle, but my upcoming Wire review does contain the phrase "makes up for in audacious energy what it lacks in compositional cohesion". So...
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:21 (three years ago) link
Its exuberant self-confidence (outright faith?) is a blessing for that very reason but also a curse insofar as it exudes a kind of smugness that is proper to the autodidact. Then again, guitarist #2 is the son of Kyle Gann (whom I don’t like very much ftr, although I wish he’d guided them kids towards an Ives or Nancarrow cover instead of Messiaen – his ubiquitous early material, to boot – ‘cause that at least would have felt like a real curve ball, although perhaps lacking in self-satisfied neo-theological TRANSCENDENCE).
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:31 (three years ago) link
Anyway, I think you mentioned this in another thread but I very much agree that this is only tangentially a ‘metal’ record and shouldn’t be approached as such.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:34 (three years ago) link
And just to pre-empt lj’s rejoinders: Jute Gyte, whose output I haven’t sufficiently explored yet, has delivered *much* better and more unique takes on the intersection being plumbed here.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:45 (three years ago) link
proper to the autodidact
I haven't got into Liturgy much at all and haven't heard this yet except for the two advance tracks but, wait, HHH studied with Tristan Murail.
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:02 (three years ago) link
I stand corrected. I suppose this is an indictment of myself, HHH and Murail.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link
I mean, if anything, it's the smugness of the Ivy League dilettante.xp
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link
Now that I know, 'tis a good way of putting it.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:04 (three years ago) link
Silver lining: maybe everyone who loves the new Liturgy will check out Tristan Murail's fabulous Portulan cycle, which Kairos released last year?
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:10 (three years ago) link
I only just connected the dots that HHH is the grandchild of a billionaire oil tycoon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Hunt.
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 03:19 (three years ago) link
Oh I remember listening to that Murail album last year. Thanks for the reminder. I'll get it out again.
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 03:22 (three years ago) link
Liturgy officially CANCELLED.xp
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 03:26 (three years ago) link
I’ve been criticized in the past for being so wide-eyed, sincere and ambitious about creating new forms for conveying like heartfelt emotion
really?
― CRVTCHΞS (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 21 November 2020 04:15 (three years ago) link
i’m def someone who def thought liturgy’s whole thing was too pretentious to bear but i’m glad i’ve since come around.
I think the music is great, the pretension is fine, the sanctimony is unbearable.
― CRVTCHΞS (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 21 November 2020 04:18 (three years ago) link
And HHH's parents developed something called imago relationship therapy. O_o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imago_therapy
― jmm, Saturday, 21 November 2020 05:38 (three years ago) link
haha
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 21 November 2020 13:42 (three years ago) link
lol
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 14:36 (three years ago) link
Wait, we’ve had this conversation before, haven’t we?
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 15:12 (three years ago) link
This band are really good at one thing, and one thing only, and that's the "vibrant blast-beat chorale" thing. They have not at all figured out how to synthesize that one thing with any other thing.
The last minute of "The Fall Of SIHEMYN" is the thing that is good. I dislike everything else about this album
This band afaic has always been defined by the first two tracks of their first LP-- a terribly conceived, terribly executed a cappella "new music" intro, followed by a thrilling blast-beat chorale ("Pagan Dawn", by far their best track and one of my favourite songs in the world, seeing it live in 2011 was spectacular)
I cannot think of a worse opening track than the first track on The Ark Work, I hate it like I hate Eno's "The Drop" or the ninth Felt album
― flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 21 November 2020 15:57 (three years ago) link
xps The discussion page on that article is killing me.
What a mess. Not only is it entirely unformatted, it seems to be a paper someone wrote in enthusiastic support of Imago (perhaps even at the behest of Imago), cherry-picking details from studies that support Imago without once referencing any criticisms.
― jmm, Saturday, 21 November 2020 17:40 (three years ago) link
;_;
― imago, Saturday, 21 November 2020 21:37 (three years ago) link
"Generation" remains one of my very favorite rock songs
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 21 November 2020 23:26 (three years ago) link
the poo_er of the angryman ffs
― Bandscamp Fryday (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 November 2020 23:35 (three years ago) link
god bless you, ever rong
― Bandscamp Fryday (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 November 2020 23:36 (three years ago) link
this is less engaging than haqq and less formally interesting than the ark work but i still enjoy it. not sure the messiaen version works
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 19 December 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
yeah it's not as good as the previous two, but still good, basically
― imago, Saturday, 19 December 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link
Yeah the Messiaen cover doesn't ruin it but doesn't match up to the original and takes up too much of the runtime. The opening run of tracks is phenomenal, though.
― your passion oozzes from the (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 19 December 2020 18:47 (three years ago) link
Is this album really not leagues better than their previous couple? I clicked with it right away upon hearing it, like to the point where I thought it was one of the best albums of the year in the past three weeks. It's definitely too short, kinda feels like the first act of a three act opera, with the Messiaen acting like the vorspiel
― Iannis Xenakis double fisting Cutty Sark (Tom Violence), Saturday, 19 December 2020 23:59 (three years ago) link
Yeah, but WHAT a Bushwick landlord!
― imago, Friday, 24 March 2023 12:29 (one year ago) link
what?
― fpsa, Friday, 24 March 2023 16:10 (one year ago) link
the problem is that it SOUNDS like it was made by a bushwick landlord
― here 1st (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 16:14 (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― imago, Friday, 24 March 2023 16:14 (one year ago) link
Anyway, this new album is awesome
Have an interview: https://www.thefader.com/2023/03/23/liturgy-the-fader-interview-feature
― imago, Friday, 24 March 2023 16:15 (one year ago) link
Someone sent me a meme that said "What kind of trans girl are you?" and there were sixteen options and one of them was just "Rhombic Dodecahedron" and I was like "What is that even supposed to mean" and then someone told me Liturgy had a new EP out and I was all "Ohhhh, yeahhhhh, rhombic dodecahedron, got it." Anyway. The new one is a rerecording of the Immortal Life EP.
I'm not sure which of the sixteen I fall under. I guess I might qualify as "depressed and dysphoric" except that I'm not actually dysphoric.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 16 May 2024 00:08 (one week ago) link