Ornette Coleman: Classic Or Dud?

Getting Bill Dixon "Vade Mecum" vibes off this new one so far

Getting Bill Dixon "Vade Mecum" vibes off this new one so far

OK, now I'm definitely gonna check this out.

In terms of the sound I mean. It's a lot less intense

That SNL clip is tremendous. Does anyone know what piece that was and if its on an LP? Thx.

"Times Square," from "Of Human Feelings."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dA5qoTOa3Q

i love "on human feelings," but i think the SNL performance nearly smokes the studio version

yeah i think so too. so was that the only thing he played that night?

and what did milton berle think?

milton berle says "let's hear it again, once more!" which implies there was a previous performance, but the only in the episode as it appears on hulu is "times square"

someone on Facebook was saying that (speaking of early TV legends) Ernie Kovacs was a big fan of avant-garde jazz (!) -- if only he hadn't died in a car crash, he could be hosting SNL with Ornette as a guest. wouldn't that be somethin'?

bizarrely, just before the prime time performance, Milton Berle does a "joke" in which he speaks to a bunch of suited japanese businessmen in a kind of pidgin Japanese.

Buck Henry seemed genuinely reverent in his introduction to Sun Ra's performance in season 3.

man, people on youtube be shittin' all over denardo's playing. he's great! he also seems like an incredibly cool guy.

Thx Josh. Just got it on Discogs.

I've never understood the rap against Denardo. He was literally born to play drums for Ornette.

I wasn't aware there was a rap against him?

Denardo's fantastic to watch live. They put him behind those big plexiglas baffles and he just demolishes the kit.

Yeah he's great. I'm sure for ornette detractors back in the day it was more ammunition -- ornette got his 10 year old to play drums! But he's plenty talented.

Digging the musical excerpts in this review:

http://www.npr.org/2015/02/20/387772281/ornette-coleman-returns-with-his-unmistakable-sound

85th all-day birthday broadcast today:
https://www.cc-seas.columbia.edu/wkcr/story/ornette-coleman-birthday-broadcast-monday-march-9

(fair warning: Phil Schaap is currently on minute four of a wall of speech)

schaap is gonna tell us what ornette had for dinner the night before he recorded skies of america

happy b-day ornette!!!!!

I clicked their Listen Now link but this chamber music doesn't seem very Ornetteish?

Huh, my mistake, I'd never heard "Sounds and Forms" before.

I just watched Ornette: Made in America recently. Great movie, just love the man.

if i liked the harmelodic funk insanity of that live tv appearance posted upthread, what else should i check out?

body meta!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23QVY94tAj0

happy b-day ornette!!!!!

― tylerw, Monday, 9 March 2015 17:36 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"sulk"

love ornette and tbh i love phil schaap

ha i kid but i kind of love phil schaap too, in all his ridiculousness.

Yeah, I do too...honestly, my first thought when I tuned in yesterday morning was, "When does Phil's shift start?"

did anyone end up taking the $$$ plunge for the new vocabulary record? is it worth it?

I haven't bought the New Vocabulary disc, and honestly now I'm more excited to get this previously unknown to me 2014 expanded remaster/reissue of the Naked Lunch soundtrack.

one of the best

>if i liked the harmelodic funk insanity of that live tv appearance posted upthread, what else should i check out?
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>― nuumerykah (dog latin), Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:06 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

'of human feelings' is so good I can not believe I'd never even heard of it before that SNL link made the rounds, the intensity of 'dancing in your head' boiled down into eight little mutant tunes. I'd heard the later prime time records and I liked them, but this is a little crazier

want to hear that Naked Lunch reissue

You'll want to hear James Blood Ulmer's 'Tales of Captain Black' as well since it has essentially the same band as Of Human Feelings.

will do!

have we ever dealt with this? via the revenant records facebook page (a couple years ago)

REVENANT ARCHIVES, #3 in a Series
<<tracks we planned to release but never did>>

Ornette Coleman (alto sax solo): Who Do You Work For? (1972)

Concert: "The Art of the Solo," Berliner Jazztage, Philharmonie, Berlin - November 4, 1972.

When Fahey and I were scheming about starting a new "raw musics" label in 1994-95, Ornette was a rallying point for us, as totemic a figure as we could think of for what it meant to be uncompromising, fearless, idiosyncratic and great. We set to work trying to license some of his out-of-print records like Forms and Sounds, Who's Crazy, and some 1965 recordings from Swedish TV. Nothing worked out.

In about 1999 or 2000, we began a conversation with Ornette and his son Denardo about a Secret Musics series - unissued, mostly unheard (sometimes unheard of) recordings from all stages of his career, culminating (perhaps - who knew?) with a set of his Moroccan recordings with the Master Musician of Jajouka. More about those in a later edition of this series. The point is, a ridiculous stockpile of rare recordings (including this one) was heaped, we haven't issued anything yet, and this remains a project near and dear to my heart. I'm hopeful it can still happen.

This recording is from a concert called "Art of the Solo" for a TV broadcast in Berlin, in which Ornette alternates between piano and alto. There are some excerpts of the TV footage in circulation on the web if you look around, but I didn't see this track among them.

In 1971, Ornette had been performing "Who Do You Work For?" in a series of live shows in Europe with one of his best-ever ensembles - the quartet with OC on alto, Dewey Redman on tenor, Charlie Haden on bass, and Ed Blackwell on drums. Blisteringly intense, this run of shows is also a real primer on intuitive ensemble play. "Song for Che," "Street Woman," and "Who Do You Work For?" are consistently crackling. Check out the show from Belgrade, Yugoslavia on November 2, 1971 if you can track it down - a real jawdropper.

By the beginning of '72, Ornette was onto other things - the orchestral stuff of Skies of America, some woodwind pieces that would appear on Broken Shadows. But for November, at least, he returned to "Who Do You Work For?" in a brief solo workout that seems like a natural bridge of the lyrical and the ass-kicking. To my knowledge, a studio version of this track was never recorded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYSlJK5ytlY

Wow, never heard of that -- the solo or the Revenant project! Thanks for posting!

I remember they announced a Milford Graves/Derek Bailey duo record as "coming soon!" when the label first started, but evidently nothing came of it. And nothing on youtube.

hadn't heard of it til today! seems amazing -- rumors of 30+ hours of unreleased material.

Years ago I read a book that featured a long section on Ornette, and his approach to the music business, interpersonal relationships, etc. It detailed the times he'd gone bankrupt, and hinted at a number of projects which never saw the light of day. The quote I remember (though I don't recall who said it) was an associate saying "He must have spent all his money on music, because I never saw any women and I never saw any drugs."

Yeah, somebody (Giddens?) wrote something in The New Yorker, years and years ago, about Ornette having gone through a lotta money from time to time, also in the same piece which mentions that he signed with a promoter of Beatles concerts in the US (and-slept in the guy's office on occasion? Don't quote me, I'll have to look that up.)
Meanwhile,
Links within links(or within this link), appropriately enough:

http://www.openculture.com/2014/09/jacques-derrida-interviews-ornette-coleman.html

Nosing around The New Yorker's Ornette stash, more on the Derrida X Ornette:
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/a-thing-the-existence-of-which-jacques-derrida-interviews-ornette-coleman
Looks like you've got to subscribe to get anything as ancient as the profile I'm looking for, but here's something (with its own link to more detail) about the restored version of Shirley Clarke's movie about Ornette, Made In America:
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/ornette-colemans-big-adventure

Now that you say it I think it may have been in Giddens' Visions of Jazz. It's been a while (xpost)

Oh yeah, I'll have to dig up my Giddins books, maybe not today though...

Ornette Coleman's Beauty Is A Rare Thing: The Complete Atlantic Recordings box is being reissued on 3/31, in less-lavish packaging (a clamshell case, with the discs in slim cardboard sleeves). You do get the original booklet, though, and Amazon's got it for $40. If you don't already have it, it really is a must-own.

― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, March 15, 2015 1:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh sweet! I want that.

A federal lawsuit has been filed on behalf of Grammy® Lifetime Achievement Award recipient Ornette Coleman against Jordan McLean of the band Antibalas and Amir Ziv. The complaint alleges that McLean and Ziv recorded Coleman, then age 79, at his home in 2009, and then recently released these recordings to the public without his consent or knowledge as the album New Vocabulary on System Dialing Records.

Coleman, who is now 85 years old, was introduced to the band Antibalas and their trumpeter McLean through their association with the Broadway musical Fela, which Coleman attended. The complaint asserts that, following the introduction, McLean asked Coleman if he would talk to him about music and Coleman graciously invited him over to his house to share his knowledge. McLean brought his partner, drummer Ziv, whom he introduced as a teacher at the New School. Years after making the recordings of Coleman's teaching sessions, McLean asked if he could release them. Coleman denied the request both directly and through his attorney and asked that the material be turned over to him. McLean instead released the recordings, forcing Coleman to seek legal recourse.

The complaint further alleges that:
An individual not recorded at the sessions is credited as having participated
Music was added to the recordings after the fact
The public is likely to be misled into believing that Coleman approves of, or is affiliated with, the public release of these recordings.

Last year's Celebrate Ornette tribute concert that featured Sonny Rollins, Patti Smith, Flea, Savion Glover and many other artists including a performance by Coleman himself, is being readied for a fall 2015 deluxe box set release. This official and authorized release by Coleman will be his first since 2006's Pulitzer Prize-winning Sound Grammar.

weird

The "special thanks to" for this record includes Maggie Gyllenhaal and Peter Sarsgaard...closet Ornette fanatics?

http://systemdialingrecords.com/market/albums/new-vocabulary/

If Maggie did her own playing in Frank, she'd be a fine Free Jazz keyboard player.

I noticed that Peter Sarsgaard and Maggie Gyllenhaal contributed to the press release and are thanked on the LP. I'm curious about their involvement—are they just friends of yours/Ornette's, or did they have some hands-on role in New Vocabulary?
We have been friends with them for years and they love Ornette's music (DROID [which features McLean, Ziv and Holzman] was probably Peter's favorite band for a while there). Thanking them and including their thoughts on the music in our press release is recognition of the moral support they have loaned us through everything. This is the case with all of the other folks mentioned in our thank yous and who have contributed various press quotes. None of them is more or less important than the other.

http://www.timeout.com/newyork/blog/a-new-ornette-coleman-album-our-exclusive-q-a