Itunes, Billboard, and the marginalization of black music and black audiences in America

If you think Beck has consistently pastiched black music then I'm guessing you've only heard a couple of Beck records.

this is the first year in my life that i actually know who most of the grammy people are. which is kind of horrifying, because it means i am officially an Old White Dude. was taylor swift not eligible, or did her people just not bribe anyone?

so the paramore song is a peter laughner cover and the carrie underwood song is a prince cover, right?

Taylor's eligible next year because of the stupid eligibility window which rules out late autumn releases. Likewise D'Angelo. It means that the Grammys always seem to miss the big success stories of the moment.

incidentally, since people keep talking about this, my take on it is that pop music reflects (and i'm not saying this as a slam) the lowest common denominator, and its biggest problem in the 21st century is that it exists in a culture that has no common denominators at all. in america, right now, the lowest common denominator is white. america is, in practical terms if not by explicit design, a systematically racist country, and it doesn't terribly surprise me to find that fact reflected in its popular music.

how is L. Ron Hubbard reflected in Beck's music?

did kanye actually do something objectionable or are ppl just being racist

― the fuckin catalina wine mixer (sleepingbag

he keeps making McCartney relevant

http://pitchfork.com/news/58392-kanye-west-beck-needs-to-respect-artistry-and-he-should-have-given-his-award-to-beyonce/

I would have loved to see Kanye try to pull this shit the year Steely Dan won AOY

Taylor's eligible next year because of the stupid eligibility window which rules out late autumn releases. Likewise D'Angelo. It means that the Grammys always seem to miss the big success stories of the moment.

On the positive side, at least they still have a tendancy to recognize albums released in that time.

The time "My Heart Will Go On" won Record of the Year in February of 1999.

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the year Steely Dan won AOY

― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes),

Pres. Keyes, what does this mean?

2001, the year Steely Dan won Album of the Year at the Grammys for Two Against Nature

Taylor's eligible next year because of the stupid eligibility window which rules out late autumn releases. Likewise D'Angelo. It means that the Grammys always seem to miss the big success stories of the moment.

On the positive side, at least they still have a tendancy to recognize albums released in that time.

― MarkoP, Monday, February 9, 2015 10:49 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah...it's not like the Oscars where projects released at the beginning of the eligibility window have virtually no chance of getting big nominations.

x-post--Some Dude, what I mean is so picking on Fagen and Becker in 2001 would have been uncool? Huh?

Is Keyes prez of their fanclub?

any major some dude will tell you, my friend

xpost yes i am. I just believe their reaction would have been amusing, especially since no one would have known who Kanye was at the time, except liner notes nerds.

also iirc SD's win was similarly controversial, but it was because they beat Eminem.

they also beat Beck!

the circle completes

Gonna be pumped when Iggy beats Steely Dan for best rap album in 2025

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/02/the-two-grammys/385156/

•A non-white artist hasn’t won Best Album since jazz legend Herbie Hancock took the award in 2008 for a record of Joni Mitchell covers; one who could conceivably be called “contemporary” or “relevant” hasn’t won since OutKast in 2004 (2005 went to a posthumous Ray Charles release).
•Aside from Pharrell Williams and Nile Rodgers' featured work on Daft Punk's "Get Lucky," the Record of the Year winners have all been white since 2005, when Ray Charles won the award with Norah Jones. A rap song has never taken the trophy in that category.
•Song of the Year went to Beyoncé's "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)" in 2010; other than that, the winners were all white after Luther Vandross in 2004.
•The two Best New Artist winners of color in the past 10 years were Esperanza Spalding in 2011 and John Legend in 2006.

iggy azalea's 'fancy' is better than any song on eminem's album

Song of the Year went to Beyoncé's "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)" in 2010

I still have no idea how this happened.

great song

Buzz Lightyear gets secret royalties for that one like Tom Petty does for "Stay With Me"

I still have no idea how this happened.

great song

Precisely!

If you think Beck has consistently pastiched black music then I'm guessing you've only heard a couple of Beck records.

― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Monday, February 9, 2015 3:38 AM Bookmark

This is right but it's worth pointing out that he's only good when he's pastiching black music.

this is pretty accurate, depending on how much black pastiche you think is happening on Guero

it's a pastiche of himself

^^^

Expert self-cannibalization, I think, but I haven't played the record in years.

Midnite Vultures is my favorite Beck album, naturally.

The indie club I used to hit in the early 2000s loved the shit out of "Sexx Laws" and "Mixed Bizness." I'm scared to play "Debra" though.

"Debra" is the one glaring false note on that album (obv Beck's best, duh).

I remember loving how an episode of "Homicide" used "Beautiful Way."

I remember how an episode of "Murder She Wrote" made all the lesbians scream.

it mixed bizness withleather iirc

http://imgur.com/gallery/Ith2N

mixed bizness is the fucking JAM

lowest Grammy ratings in 6 years

makes sense. i can't even think of who the big draw would be for viewers, other than Beyonce, who was on last year's Grammys and every other awards show that's aired since then.

I was gonna post the cover of One Foot In The Grave but uh yeah I guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT967fUFuYw

this was what was playing in my head as a dazed and confused beck accepted the second award and called up a host of industry vets to stand with him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDwV3VU1OXU
first two responses on that youtube are

thewirah14 hours ago
Kanye West makes me wanna smoke crack.

Nina Reyes4 months ago
Im 77 and i love Beck <3

This is right but it's worth pointing out that he's only good when he's pastiching black music.

Ha, true.

"FourFiveSeconds" additionally zooms 2-1 on Billboard's Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/6465909/hot-100-rihanna-kanye-west-paul-mccartney-ellie-goulding-mark-ronson

Rihanna rising up the Hot 100 just broke the 5-week streak of zero black artists in the top 10 (last one was The Weeknd on Ariana Grande's "Love Me Harder").

glad this is look like a real sustainable hit

that Billboard article went into a real lather over the McCartney records broken by this hit.