mellon collie is over. it doesn't matter. monuments is a 4 star album!
― It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:35 (nine years ago) link
I need to say that I once saw Corgan give a poetry reading while reclining on a pillow with a light-up army helmet on.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:43 (nine years ago) link
Because really http://files.umwblogs.org/blogs.dir/1886/files/2009/04/a0009263_22271348.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:44 (nine years ago) link
http://assets.noisey.com/content-images/contentimage/26278/Corgan2.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:46 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/ZuZusTeahouse/status/561319453544448001
― when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:51 (nine years ago) link
that patch bay is absurd!
― It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:56 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYI4XAG48YM&spfreload=10
― when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 1 February 2015 04:38 (nine years ago) link
http://media.salon.com/2011/02/he_knows_whats_cool-460x280.jpg
a Millie Corgan isn't cool. you know what's cool? a Billy Corgan.
― some dude, Sunday, 1 February 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link
lol
― It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 1 February 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
Courtney asked us for advice about her ‘secret affair’ with Billy Corgan. I thought, Ewwww, at even the mention of Billy Corgan, whom nobody liked because he was such a crybaby, and Smashing Pumpkins took themselves way too seriously and were in no way punk rock.
guess who
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:11 (nine years ago) link
Josh In Chicago?
― It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:29 (nine years ago) link
"Stereogum: No I think you’re right. The cycles for the way culture operates now are so much shorter. I feel bad — I often will interview a band, say a bunch of British guys who are 20, and it’s their first record, and they’re really excited. And then three years later they’ve put out their second or third album, and no one cares anymore, not necessarily because their album’s terrible but because it isn’t new.
Corgan: That feeds into the narcissistic strain. Why is that narcissistic strain there? Back in the day, I would run into Kim and Thurston backstage at a festival, and Thurston would talk to me about guitars and Kim would walk right past me. Why did Kim Gordon feel the need to walk past me? Why was I such a threat to Kim Gordon? I was a huge Sonic Youth fan. I saw Sonic Youth in ’87 at the Metro. I had every Sonic Youth album. I looked up to Kim Gordon. Why didn’t Kim Gordon walk past me in the hallway and mumble, “Hello?” Because what I represented was some sort of weird threat to their beautiful world that they were able to bubble around in for so many years."
― Nourry, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:30 (nine years ago) link
Courtney asked us for advice about her ‘secret affair’ with Billy Corgan.
What a weird, weird thing to ask Sonic Youth for advice about
― da croupier, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:31 (nine years ago) link
this is Courtney Love we're talking about
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:32 (nine years ago) link
ie a crazy person prone to oversharing/overexposing herself in a self-absorbed quest for validation
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:33 (nine years ago) link
I saw Sonic Youth in ’87 at the Metro.
lol HE WAS THERE MAN
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:34 (nine years ago) link
"BECK, HOW MUCH DO YOU TIP A LIMO DRIVER?"
"...."
― da croupier, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:34 (nine years ago) link
People named Kim are always hurting Billy Corgan deep in their heart
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:34 (nine years ago) link
I like how the Stereogum question is actually about an entirely different phenomenon (the planned obsolescence built into the music industry) and Corgan instead takes it to be about people hurting his feelings.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:35 (nine years ago) link
it's also possible that kim gordon did not want to hear thurston and billy talk about guitars
― da croupier, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:38 (nine years ago) link
"it's just a piece of wood w some metal on it" - Kim Gordon in Guitar Player magazine circa '96 iirc
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:40 (nine years ago) link
"it's just a piece of wood w some metal on it" - Psychopath, on his rifle '96
― It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:59 (nine years ago) link
Οὖτις, otm
― Nourry, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 23:31 (nine years ago) link
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kinda heartbreaking, in a "Betty White not being able to grasp why Bea Arthur doesn't like her" way
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 02:02 (nine years ago) link
maybe if Betty White wrote Cherub Rock
― It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 02:09 (nine years ago) link
maybe if Billy Corgan wrote "Miami Is Nice"
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 02:22 (nine years ago) link
When did Billy Corgan turn into Gollum?
Someone let me know.
― saki, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 02:26 (nine years ago) link
idgi
― It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 02:33 (nine years ago) link
He looks like gollum and is prone to self-pity
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 02:38 (nine years ago) link
http://www.moviefancentral.com/images/pictures/review77597/08a52e8b5e8bea57c3cf2185a8dfcb98.jpg?1352614675
― It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 02:41 (nine years ago) link
kinda surprised tht Corgan was into SY at all tbh
― Simon H., Wednesday, 4 February 2015 02:44 (nine years ago) link
I seem to remember some MCIS-era Guitar World interview where he's discussing SY tunings.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 02:45 (nine years ago) link
I think he probably felt a bit like Chris Christie when Bruce Springsteen told him he didn't want to have anything to do with him.
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 02:57 (nine years ago) link
just remembered that both Sonic Youth and Smashing Pumpkins were on a Simpsons episode together as well...
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 02:58 (nine years ago) link
http://www.thrashhits.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/billy_jess02__oPt.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 04:15 (nine years ago) link
billco has said the riff in "1979" is a nod to Sonic Youth, even though he stole the song from the frogs.
― when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 04:29 (nine years ago) link
oh many i forgot about billy corgan/jessica simpson. truly a celebrity couple for the ages.
― some dude, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 04:31 (nine years ago) link
Henry Rollins twerked before twerking existedOut of the mist I kissed your drug filled lips
― how's life, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 13:42 (nine years ago) link
man, corgan accusing someone else of being narcissistic is real 'take the plank from your own eye' stuff
― bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 13:48 (nine years ago) link
also http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/imgx/1/3/7/8/6/7/8/1/orig-13786781.jpg
― Nourry, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 19:55 (nine years ago) link
and now let us praise one of Corgan's half-dozen truly eternal & transcendent songs, "Luna":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQBXNLU46Z0
― when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
Why do people have this adolescent hang up on how punk or non punk the Pumpkins are or were
Of all the things to legitimately have a go at Corgan, whether or not hes worried about being part of SY's early 90s cool list is another story
― Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 20:46 (nine years ago) link
Although this is Billy Corgan we're talking about
― Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 20:55 (nine years ago) link
yeah, it's pretty dumb. i'm glad he took himself and the smashing pumpkins so seriously. they really meant a lot. getting hung up on punk credibility is just a different way of taking yourself too seriously, as opposed to Corgan liking Boston or whatever KG was referring to.
― when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
i mean it's really nobody's fault IMO, like billy's just a square and kim's an art person who came up around fluxus and basquiat and philip glass while billy was watching pro wrestling and listening to Rush and eating frozen pizzas and shit, the bizarre world of 90s alt rock just threw them together, it's no mystery why someone like billy would on some level want approval from someone who's just more worldly and cool in a not try-hard way and it's no surprise why kim shouldn't want to be bothered with talking about boring guitar nerd shit w/billy
i don't think it's really an indictment of either one, there's no way it could have been different
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
& if kim didn't really feel like propping up one more rock dude's ego after being in the band dude world for so long could you blame her?
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 21:28 (nine years ago) link
yeah i'm not blaming or indicting either of them, your analysis of where they came from and how they ended up backstage together is totally OTM
― when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 21:53 (nine years ago) link
It's not that Billy's a square, it's that he's pretty unsympathetic. It's one thing to be a poseur, which is silly to begin with, but by many accounts he is also an asshole, which makes the former less forgivable. I'm not a fan of the band aside from a few songs, but he puts himself in a pretty untenable position by embracing Rush and Boston (or whatever) but also wanting to be cool, by being a shredder but also wanting to be part of the anti-shred crowd, by tipping his hat to the humility and humanity of Cheap Trick but also aiming for the otherworldly haze My Bloody Valentine. But really, he's just apparently not a very nice guy.
Granted, as a very long time fan of SY, I've always thought Kim and Thurston came off terribly as people in interviews, too. As bad as Corgan but for totally different reasons: snobby, arrogant, pretentious, no fun. But since they're "cool," fewer folks call them on it, especially with an easy target like BC walking around saying "pay attention to me!"
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 22:26 (nine years ago) link
Tbf, Corgan actually teetered on the cusp of personal redemption for a bit. Maybe c. Adore, which was a pretty emotional, accessible album, when the band played that huge free show here for charity. (http://www.mtv.com/news/300010/pumpkins-to-play-huge-hometown-charity-show/). But since the band came back from the dead he's been pretty bitter, sour, as if he's not even trying to be liked anymore.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 22:28 (nine years ago) link
― Simon H., Tuesday, February 3, 2015 6:44 PM (Yesterday)
hard to imagine gish & siamese dream arising absent at least second-hand influence from the evol thru daydream run of sy albums
― A Severus of Snapes (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 22:46 (nine years ago) link