Billy Corgan

Likewise, the cultural collective says: Smashing Pumpkins is lame, low-class wankery for losers; Radiohead is sophisticated, innovative rock music for thinking people.

i don't know who the cultural collective is, but they apparently don't write music reviews

he keeps firing or losing band members

I don't really blame him for this tbh

Actually, I blame him on both counts. blame lies with the dictator.

MCIS is so much less pretentious than OKC. Not concerned with being cool or cutting edge, wearing its overblown and exaggerated emotions like stars of valor, Billco is willing to let himself be totally vulnerable and naked for the sake of the audience as much as for himself. Mellon Collie is a totally about-face record, it's not pretentious at all. its length is NOT pretentious, it's fan service...

yeesh

josh you know d'arcy actually went insane right

pre·ten·sion1
prəˈten(t)SH(ə)n/
noun
1.
a claim or the assertion of a claim to something.
"their pretensions to culture"
synonyms: aspiration, claim, assertion, pretense, profession
"the author has no pretension to exhaustive coverage"
an aspiration or claim to a certain status or quality.
"another aging rocker with literary pretensions"

2.
the use of affectation to impress; ostentatiousness.
"he spoke simply, without pretension"
synonyms: pretentiousness, affectation, ostentation, artificiality, airs, posing, posturing, show, flashiness; More

"wearing its overblown and exaggerated emotions like stars of valor" sounds like pretension to me

the world is a vampire

so...there's that

spazz's post maybe had some mixed metaphors but I think you can get from the whole post that it is not pretensious in spazz's opinion

who gives a shit, it's pretentious

it's pretentious to give a shit?

it's ostentatious and affected, doing it "for the kids" does NOT make it less pretentious

if anything claiming your over-the-top display of feeling came from a sense of obligation to others only makes it more so

ftr I was just deliberately misreading your post for jokes there. I do think that album is pretentious.

xposting D'Arcy didn't go insane, she was on drugs, and regardless, that was eons ago and he has gone through how many lineups since then, even if you don't include Zwan? Dunno, but enough to propose sole constant Corgan is the problem.

And lol that anything Corgan has done has been anything less than pretentious.

constantly demanding that everything you do be taken seriously/treated as important is kinda textbook pretentious, no?

or does he differentiate between the real, the pure, the heart music and eh this is just some stuff he did for a goof

monuments is a goof. mellon collie is the core, the heart music

mellon collie is over. it doesn't matter. monuments is a 4 star album!

I need to say that I once saw Corgan give a poetry reading while reclining on a pillow with a light-up army helmet on.

Because really http://files.umwblogs.org/blogs.dir/1886/files/2009/04/a0009263_22271348.jpg

http://assets.noisey.com/content-images/contentimage/26278/Corgan2.jpg

https://twitter.com/ZuZusTeahouse/status/561319453544448001

that patch bay is absurd!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYI4XAG48YM&spfreload=10

http://media.salon.com/2011/02/he_knows_whats_cool-460x280.jpg

a Millie Corgan isn't cool. you know what's cool? a Billy Corgan.

lol

Courtney asked us for advice about her ‘secret affair’ with Billy Corgan. I thought, Ewwww, at even the mention of Billy Corgan, whom nobody liked because he was such a crybaby, and Smashing Pumpkins took themselves way too seriously and were in no way punk rock.

guess who

Josh In Chicago?

"Stereogum: No I think you’re right. The cycles for the way culture operates now are so much shorter. I feel bad — I often will interview a band, say a bunch of British guys who are 20, and it’s their first record, and they’re really excited. And then three years later they’ve put out their second or third album, and no one cares anymore, not necessarily because their album’s terrible but because it isn’t new.

Corgan: That feeds into the narcissistic strain. Why is that narcissistic strain there? Back in the day, I would run into Kim and Thurston backstage at a festival, and Thurston would talk to me about guitars and Kim would walk right past me. Why did Kim Gordon feel the need to walk past me? Why was I such a threat to Kim Gordon? I was a huge Sonic Youth fan. I saw Sonic Youth in ’87 at the Metro. I had every Sonic Youth album. I looked up to Kim Gordon. Why didn’t Kim Gordon walk past me in the hallway and mumble, “Hello?” Because what I represented was some sort of weird threat to their beautiful world that they were able to bubble around in for so many years."

Courtney asked us for advice about her ‘secret affair’ with Billy Corgan.

What a weird, weird thing to ask Sonic Youth for advice about

this is Courtney Love we're talking about

ie a crazy person prone to oversharing/overexposing herself in a self-absorbed quest for validation

I saw Sonic Youth in ’87 at the Metro.

lol HE WAS THERE MAN

"BECK, HOW MUCH DO YOU TIP A LIMO DRIVER?"

"...."

People named Kim are always hurting Billy Corgan deep in their heart

I like how the Stereogum question is actually about an entirely different phenomenon (the planned obsolescence built into the music industry) and Corgan instead takes it to be about people hurting his feelings.

it's also possible that kim gordon did not want to hear thurston and billy talk about guitars

"it's just a piece of wood w some metal on it" - Kim Gordon in Guitar Player magazine circa '96 iirc

"it's just a piece of wood w some metal on it" - Psychopath, on his rifle '96

Οὖτις, otm

"Stereogum: No I think you’re right. The cycles for the way culture operates now are so much shorter. I feel bad — I often will interview a band, say a bunch of British guys who are 20, and it’s their first record, and they’re really excited. And then three years later they’ve put out their second or third album, and no one cares anymore, not necessarily because their album’s terrible but because it isn’t new.

Corgan: That feeds into the narcissistic strain. Why is that narcissistic strain there? Back in the day, I would run into Kim and Thurston backstage at a festival, and Thurston would talk to me about guitars and Kim would walk right past me. Why did Kim Gordon feel the need to walk past me? Why was I such a threat to Kim Gordon? I was a huge Sonic Youth fan. I saw Sonic Youth in ’87 at the Metro. I had every Sonic Youth album. I looked up to Kim Gordon. Why didn’t Kim Gordon walk past me in the hallway and mumble, “Hello?” Because what I represented was some sort of weird threat to their beautiful world that they were able to bubble around in for so many years."

― Nourry, Tuesday, February 3, 2015 4:30 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

kinda heartbreaking, in a "Betty White not being able to grasp why Bea Arthur doesn't like her" way

maybe if Betty White wrote Cherub Rock

maybe if Billy Corgan wrote "Miami Is Nice"

When did Billy Corgan turn into Gollum?

Someone let me know.

idgi

He looks like gollum and is prone to self-pity

http://www.moviefancentral.com/images/pictures/review77597/08a52e8b5e8bea57c3cf2185a8dfcb98.jpg?1352614675

kinda surprised tht Corgan was into SY at all tbh