ILM's Top 77 Tracks of 2014

of course u didn't have to love it!! hence my 'affirmative' words. I AM NOT CIMPLAINING IT WAS A GR8 POLL

feel that my cheerful analysis has been conflated w slop's grousing. anyway enough of me, let's talk abt idk German Whip and its EN volk swag

my post wasn't really aimed at you, iirc you didn't make any ridiculous false claims about everyone throwing fits at indie/whatever placement. I was basically just repeating what lagoon lex rob & others had already said so maybe shouldn't have opened my mouth but for whatever reason those posts didn't seem to sink in

also i had heard 2 on but didnt realize how great it was so thanks 4 that ilx
― lag∞n, Friday, January 23, 2015 4:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the album's really good too. underrated

I can see not liking RTJ aesthetically but man Killer Mike is just a great mc

― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 23, 2015 12:22 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what makes it so sad

rtj is the hateful platonic ideal of i dont listen to rap but

lol not true

― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 23, 2015 12:20 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

u may listen to other rap but it is very much true

Yo, thanks for organizing this guys! Had a blast as always.

I'm a big fan of rap styles that don't get much traction anymore (boom bap, boisterous P.E. style stuff with really dense beats, etc) and really give no shits about basic-ass trap beats. That doesn't mean "I don't listen to rap but", it just means I want more from it.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 23, 2015 12:24 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol tho i mean

Glad that I missed all the RTJ convo on ILM until now so let me say that that RTJ album is dreadful :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQswfILThsY

yet I feel compelled to join those reiterating once again that the supposed wailing and gnashing of teeth over indie &c placing quite, simply, didn't, fucking, happen, as the fact that contenderizer had to resort to using brad's completely innocuous post about how he votes as an example of oppressive ilm orthodoxy hilariously shows.

― o.m.g. lol @ hurt butt (wins), Friday, January 23, 2015 9:09 AM (29 minutes ago)

About an hour back, I search and checked every incidence of "indie" ITT. Here are a few tidbits to chew over:

yus, no indie, no country and no metal. A great roll out so far. A proper tracks poll.

indie bands its always kind of weird to see their songs in singles polls cause they still seem just like a song off an album

ugh, more indie.

adding grist to my argument that when indie does make it, it's usually boring dreck

i am not against indie music in principal fwiw i even like some of it but alot of it these days is just very insufferable

well that sure breaks a pretty encouraging streak of songs that weren't indie rock garbage

an indies idea of what pop is is maybe the most telling and horrific display of all

Fer crying out loud, these indie rock tracks are giving me dysentery. Absolutely sickening and disgusting.

this really epitomises plodding, ponderous journeyman indie to me. ugh, the culture that pitchfork created

indie snob cadre loves this hot garbage lol

think we ought to introduce an annual WOD'n'Spoon award for the worst indie rock garbage in the poll

This isn't an "ILX orthodoxy", and I've never said it was. It's an ILM tracks poll orthodoxy. It's pervasiveness is far from complete and certainly not "oppressive". I do find it rather strange, though.

my fave rtj hot-take was from a non-ilx friend "man its ok but i can only listen to 40 year old men screaming about fuckboys for so long"

seger rules

rtj is the hateful platonic ideal of i dont listen to rap but

lol not true

― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 23, 2015 12:20 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

u may listen to other rap but it is very much true

― lag∞n, Friday, January 23, 2015 9:56 AM (2 minutes ago)

how do you measure that?

up to 2 comments now:

http://i.imgur.com/NFBVTKE.png

ILM is one of the few remaining safe spaces online where indie rock is rightfully hounded & mocked ceaselessly.

ffs lj I was not grousing

"AlwaysLoveGoatse"

well that sure breaks a pretty encouraging streak of songs that weren't indie rock garbage

proud of this one

thing is most actual "indie" fans probably agreed with you haha

yus, no indie, no country and no metal. A great roll out so far. A proper tracks poll. - ok fine

indie bands its always kind of weird to see their songs in singles polls cause they still seem just like a song off an album - this is not a value judgement, it's along the lines of brad's post about rock being an albums genre

ugh, more indie. - ok

adding grist to my argument that when indie does make it, it's usually boring dreck - noted indie hater imago

i am not against indie music in principal fwiw i even like some of it but alot of it these days is just very insufferable - no you're right this is venomous stuff

well that sure breaks a pretty encouraging streak of songs that weren't indie rock garbage - you can have this one

an indies idea of what pop is is maybe the most telling and horrific display of all - this post was by lagoon who iirc is not against indie music in principle fwiw

Fer crying out loud, these indie rock tracks are giving me dysentery. Absolutely sickening and disgusting. - noted indie hater kornrulez6969

this really epitomises plodding, ponderous journeyman indie to me. ugh, the culture that pitchfork created - lex

indie snob cadre loves this hot garbage lol - this was in response to "IN YOUR FACE POP SNOB CADRE!", was not about an indie song and was by lagoon who iirc

think we ought to introduce an annual WOD'n'Spoon award for the worst indie rock garbage in the poll- noted indie hater nickb making an uncharacteristic pun

ILM regs have always been screaming at the indie loving lurkers - its tradition.

i like a good exclamation mark as much as anyone but constantly seeking for them and ruling out everything that doesn't provide them surely gets a bit wearying, no?

― lex pretend

I'm more curious about what happens when they find out that thing they liked because of how new it sounded had actually been done 10 years before by someone else. Do they suddenly stop liking it because there's a new entry in the timeline?

v proud to make the indie bashing list 3 times

you should be, indie is for cunts

indies shd literally be genocided imho

I love it when you guys say cunt I feel like Vinnie Jones is gonna show up

he better not try it

seandalai/jf how many voters does the #77 album have?
I'm guessing it may be higher than the tracks poll. If not and it's 5 or 6 votes for albums placing 70-77 then anything has a chance and that's quite exciting as it is usually my favourite run of a poll.

Like the lex I enjoy seeing things with not a lot of votes but those who voted for it voted it high. It's a good sign of "i really must listen to that"

i like a good exclamation mark as much as anyone but constantly seeking for them and ruling out everything that doesn't provide them surely gets a bit wearying, no?

A cabin in the woods! If it was all cabins you'd be in a town

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xyzzzz gets it. i'm not suggesting that are every one of those quotes i pulled is particularly "venomous". i'm not suggesting that they were all posted by people with an axe to grind against indie. i'm merely suggesting that they help establish a pattern. cheerfully self-effacing comments from people who actually like indie music are just as much a part of that pattern the outright loathing of committed haters.

at the time i ran the search i mentioned earlier, there had been 170 instances of the word "indie" itt. i read through the first 100 posts involved, and found that more than half were using the word in a negative sense (sometime referentially or even affectionately), but my point is that other genres of music simply do not receive comparable treatment in tracks thread. no one ever goes, "oh gross, more disgusting fucking pop trash!"

early on, i commented in passing that i don't personally have much use for "candy-glossed, pseudo romantic dance pop" and thus really couldn't evaluate the shift k3y track, and instantly got flagged for the "worst opinion" J0rdan had ever read. which i didn't mind or take too seriously, all in good fun. but no one popped up aghast to express their horror in response to any of the indie squawks i mentioned. they're par for the course. ilx's relationship to indie is ~special~.

screw the indie wars, this "Beep Dee" track is dope as fuck and should have made the countdown

http://s14.postimg.org/og7cdonht/jones2.jpg

i feel like ppl are really exaggerating the supposedly hostile and horrified reaction to the token indie songs that placed. most ppl just said things like "uhh this is kinda boring, why THIS" which is what several ppl said for basically everything else that placed including the supposedly hegemonic pop music? y'all are basically acting like the placement of things like future islands/war on drugs/etc is a given that should not be questioned

as someone whose listening habits tend very clearly toward pop music, much of it mainstream, i don't really have a beef with indie music, considering i listen to a decent amount of it. it's just that the 'indie' music that tends to place in these things is usually pretty boring, safe stuff that seems to be placing for no reason other than the fact that lots of other magazines have put it on their eoy lists -- it's hard to even locate where the enthusiasm for it on ilm is even coming from. like that war on drugs song had virtually no one explaining why they actually liked it when it showed up. it's easier to engage and more difficult to write something off with a disinterested yawn when ppl actually show real interest in the music that shows up, as they did with e.g. richard dawson.

and also the mortgage thing was a joke, sorry anyone whose undies got in a bunch over it :(

(also it was directed at WOD in particular, I didn't say anything bad about any of the indie tracks that placed)

cheerfully self-effacing comments from people who actually like indie music are just as much a part of that pattern the outright loathing of committed haters.

― deliberately clunky, needlessly arty, (contenderizer), Friday, January 23, 2015 1:39 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

imo cause indies know they are shameful

The reason people say mean things about Future Islands is because they're fucking terrible. One band being fucking terrible isn't by definition a blanket condemnation of a genre, otherwise this entire board would be made up of siloed Raccoon Tanukis.

early on, i commented in passing that i don't personally have much use for "candy-glossed, pseudo romantic dance pop" and thus really couldn't evaluate the shift k3y track, and instantly got flagged for the "worst opinion" J0rdan had ever read.

hyperbole, by j0rdan s.

i think the Indie Likers are just not as present or vocal on the tracks poll for reasons that have been mentioned a bunch

ILM has previous.
Indie Guilt: C/D

lol tho i mean

― lag∞n, Friday, January 23, 2015 12:57 PM

Rap that's in a less popular style than what's dominated over the last 5-10 years is not rap? I feel like you're trying to make me look like I'm dismissing an entire sector of popular music just because I think it's currently in a creative lull. Keep your goon head high, though, friend.

rtj is the hateful platonic ideal of i dont listen to rap but

lol not true

― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 23, 2015 12:20 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

u may listen to other rap but it is very much true

― lag∞n, Friday, January 23, 2015 9:56 AM (2 minutes ago)

how do you measure that?

― deliberately clunky, needlessly arty, (contenderizer), Friday, January 23, 2015 1:02 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you can measure it with the P&J results. Run The Jewels got more points there than the next 5 highest rap albums (ABanks, YG, Freddie Gibbs, Rich Gang, and Nicki) combined. and only 5 of the 20 most 'similar albums' in the voter stats are rap albums:
http://furia.com/pjs/artist_9399.html

also as the person who posted one of the supposedly "venomous" anti-indie things mentioned above ("indie snob cadre loves this hot garbage lol"), that was a direct response to someone (idk probably imago) making fun of the 'pop snob cadre' for being unable to appreciate some indie thing

The reason people say mean things about Future Islands is because they're fucking terrible. One band being fucking terrible isn't by definition a blanket condemnation of a genre, otherwise this entire board would be made up of siloed Raccoon Tanukis.

― Let me help you out Charlie XCX fan (DJP), Friday, January 23, 2015 1:46 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a lot of indie haters came out in favor of future islands who own btw itt, war on drugs was the much more universally negative reaction amongst the anti indie faction

In that case I take it back; ILX is currently made up of people who are deaf and/or brain-damaged and as such should never be taken seriously, even when their tastes/interests seem to align with you

screw the indie wars, this "Beep Dee" track is dope as fuck and should have made the countdown

i regret not voting for beep dee pretty hard

the future islands song isn't one i'm a fan of, feels pretty bland, but it's got something about it that makes me want to investigate the album.