ILM's Top 77 Tracks of 2014

mh i didn't say the ex because i was describing the sorts of act on the bill ffs

I will cop to my OWN occasional hostility towards certain indie acts and rock acts appearing - usually with far more virulence than towards any rap or chartpop - because it feels like a wasted opportunity to showcase something interesting. This is a really bad attitude though and it is just as prejudicial. I will try to cut it out.

yeah, i see metal as marginal - not included or excluded, really, just over there somewhere

Agree with this, I think it usually gets a reasonable consideration when it places. Unless it's FALSE like Deafheaven or something, hehehe.

Matt granted its hostile to outsiders (tho mostly not on ilm bar a few high profile posters) but ive found 'outsiders' being equally hostile. Look how many lol metal type posts that get made sometimes.

Anyway nobody can complain that there's no metal in this poll because quite simply metallers didn't vote when they could have. Im not complaining at all about none in it. I wouldnt expect any in a tracks/singles poll a its not that type of genre.
I'd just hope that the metal poll maybe tipped non-regs into hearing a few albums they voted for in the album poll.

Im just merely suggesting that some fans of niche genres dont vote due to what they perceive (rightly or wrongly) as hostility.

the qualities that make things interesting kind of appeal to a subset unless the overall package has some mainstream appeal, imo. the more avant appeal of, say, fka twigs is counteracted by the fact she's singing about pretty universally relatable things

folk guy sing-songing literary tales is kind of a diff thing

maybe it flattens the interestingness down to a kind of novelty for the young thugs

Though chart rock/mall rock/pop punk/chart emo etc is beloved by pop fans on ilm very much. So its not all anti-rock pop/rab/dance/rnb fans.

― Cosmic Slop, Friday, January 23, 2015 6:49 AM (4 minutes ago)

not much chart rock, mall rock, pop punk or chart emo on the rollout this year, though. there was even some grumbling about against me!, the only representative of those segments to make a strong showing.

I'd expect a lot on the albums poll. Plus in recent years fall out boy, paramore etc did get in the tracks poll.

Yeah FKA Twigs is closer in sound and approach to Katie Gately than she is to, say, D'Angelo, but it's all about perception.

I think the one album that bounded into my ballot due to the metal poll is really more dark psych-folk than metal, but still, thanks to you guys for bringing it to my attention.

I'm just saying pop/rap/dance etc fans dont hate on all rock - they like some - indie generally isn't one of those.

emil.y do you mean Menace Ruine?

my gf doesn't like AM! so much as i do (she likes 'em ok) but is a great fan of emo - AM! are more pop-punk, more in keeping with the poll results - not all the pop-ish rock genres should be automatically lumped together

yeah do you mean Menace Ruine? :D if so then she might have a chance of the 77

reckon emil.y means wovenhand tbf

as far as metal goes, i'm sorry i didn't vote this year, or nominate anything, or push for the tracks i thought others might like ("blow your trumpets gabriel", "laser enforcer", "out of the city", etc). not complaining, just observing.

lol, like i could have gotten the slough feg single up to #372 or something. maybe.

I do mean Menace Ruine, yeah.

i read a ton of ilm but i always seem to miss out on whatever nexus of discussion spawns consensus picks for the tracks poll

the only acts that ppl were notably hostile to imo were war on drugs and QT PC MUSIC and thats completely fair and warranted other than that there seemed to be a pretty typical range of opinion around each song regardless of genre, indie fans just bewildered after going to the trouble of selecting music that generally codes tasteful and respectable

Id be quite happy to see both Menace Ruine and Wovenhand place though yes they're more dark folk/countryish (WH) than metal. It's music metal fans like rather than metal.

xp but spoon got more abuse than anyone (i hated the song too fwiw)

ppl did hate the spoon its true

i was hostile to both caribou trax because his latest direction feels like betrayal -_-

oh god yeah & ugh spoon lol

i liked the spoon and loved the seasons waiting on u for the record

bruno dont forget bruno

i love that spoon song so much

i literally have forgotten bruno and dont know what it is

funk so fake it vaporized

I liked the fact that I voted for both the thing that seemed to get the most consensus admiration (Ninos) and the most fight-fight-hate-hate-hate reaction (QT).

oh right lol the bruno mars volta feel like it was mostly just me and lex hating that

whoever said it sounds like cameo btw thank you was trying to place that

In the case of War on Drugs and QT, people were making assumptions about the people who enjoy those artists, which is always NAGL. You should never pretend to understand why someone likes or doesn't like something.

massive xp

'Do It Again' got a fair bit of shade from people who've probably liked at least one thing by both acts in the past, or at least other stuff in the same ballpark.

idk music is cultural feel like its fine to make those assumptions its all in good fun i dont think anyone is going be murdered or anything xp

wont somebody think of the mortgages

btw was listening to future islands in my car driving down the winter back roads yesterday just appreciating gods glory

people just generally don't like being reduced to a stereotype, is all I'm saying. I agree that no murders will occur because of this thread.

xp

the only acts that ppl were notably hostile to imo were war on drugs and QT PC MUSIC and thats completely fair and warranted other than that there seemed to be a pretty typical range of opinion around each song regardless of genre, indie fans just bewildered after going to the trouble of selecting music that generally codes tasteful and respectable

― lag∞n, Friday, January 23, 2015 7:12 AM (41 seconds ago)

nothing codes generally, right? there was genre-based pushback on against me! and war on drugs as "rock" and the latter among a great many other things (including QT & spoon) as "indie". someone, can't remember who, went so far as to say that while s/he might like or listen to rock, s/he'd never vote for it on tracks -- supporting the general implication that related genres somehow ~just doesn't belong~ here.

sure and ppl are often wrong in their characterizations but at the same time let them speak their truth you know xp

doesn't = don't ok

This War on Drugs fan stays strapped, run up and get done up

I think it's less about making assumptions about why people like things as making assumptions about why they choose to listen in the first place (and by extension what they choose to ignore).

I mean in general a lot of pop fandom is inherently about self-definition and the definition of a personal aesthetic, even now, albeit mostly among people considerably younger than us, that's part of the point and part of the fun.

nothing codes generally, right?

― deliberately clunky, needlessly arty, (contenderizer), Friday, January 23, 2015 10:23 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thats the thing about generally right

hey dog latin I am late for this but there is not one single thing about Bill Orcutt that is "academic", now please go listen to Harry Pussy's What Was Music and Ride A Dove.

Matt granted its hostile to outsiders (tho mostly not on ilm bar a few high profile posters) but ive found 'outsiders' being equally hostile. Look how many lol metal type posts that get made sometimes.

Anyway nobody can complain that there's no metal in this poll because quite simply metallers didn't vote when they could have. Im not complaining at all about none in it. I wouldnt expect any in a tracks/singles poll a its not that type of genre.

From my POV its better to have less genre polls - that way hopefully you would get more people to vote in this partic poll.

Its a tracks poll, not singles so surely it would've been fine.

i hadn't seen the 'turn down for what' msuic video until last night, it's something

i assumed it was an eric wareheim but apparently not?

its p incredible

i bet its the same director as the duck sauce big bad wolf video

someone, can't remember who, went so far as to say that while s/he might like or listen to rock, s/he'd never vote for it on tracks -- supporting the general implication that related genres somehow ~just doesn't belong~ here.

never saw that; who was it?

the trouble with the last way-too-many posts from lj etc is that they're 50% very selective reading and 50% insufferably self-congratulatory.

- no one reacted with horror to your "weird" favourites, most ppl gave them a fair shot
- the squawks of outrage came after the boring mnstrm-indie and you joined in with glee. also, one of the songs that elicited the most squawks of outrage was a taylor swift song (and rightfully so)
- you seem only to perceive weirdness in the most obvious of places...i don't think "weirdness" or even "innovation" is an inherent positive but i'm not sure how dawson or gately are weirder than young thug's voice or fka twigs' beats or nicki minaj's persona or kira isabella's cultural protest
- as far as people hating on entire genres goes, literally no one has said "ew i wish there was less of this difficult avant stuff" but a lot of people have complained about pop-dance and rap while eliding a lot of very different artists