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Yo dewds, fuck whoever this Simon Reynolds character is, let's turn this into a Bad Boy top ten singles thread !

1. Biggie-juicy.

2. Biggie-hypnotize.

3. Mase-feel so good.

4. Craig Mack, Biggie etc-flava in ya ear remix.

5. Puffy, The Lox, Lil' Kim, Biggie-all about the benjamins.

6. Biggie-warning.

7. Black Rob-whoa

8. Puffy, Black Rob, Mark Curry-bad boy 4 life.

9. Biggie-who shot ya?

10. Puffy-diddy.

ELLI$, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

everyone knows canibus was weak outside of his guest appearances - he was only good for cameos
mase represented good times, no one wants to hear doom and gloom from wu tang or rawkus or whoever
party shit is what hip hop was based on
bragging about what you have, dissing other people for not having it, showing off how much money you make and ignoring anyone who doesnt make money, thats what hip hop is really about
its not about making outfits out of what you have, its about buying expensive suits and jewellry - whats more hip hop than showing off what wealth you have?
so what if mase wasnt representing the common man, that couldnt last forever. fuck what tribe used to say in vibe magazine that it was morally repungant, they were just jealous they had less money than diddy.
and everyone moaning that hip hop doesnt sound hard or isnt funky and is all glossy, well all music has to change, a lot of people just like the old style cos they think hip hop has to mean getto and low budget - puffy was showing that hip hop could be upscale and flashy too, it didnt have to mean dingy
so what if it has singers on the hooks and the snares are all thin and weedy - nobody wants to hear hard crashing drums or rapping for a whole song - singers break up the monotony and let you sing along for once, its easier for most people to sing along rather than rap along, nothing wrong with that
and whoever says mase and that era of rap through to today has been about simpler rhymes and simpler flows, not everyone wants to hear a rapper spit rhymes that are hard to follow, i mean, mase made it easy for people to get into it, he was making easy to understand music, he took it back to the early 80s - im not saying it was exactly the same, i mean melle mel and them used a lot more words and were a bit denser with the flows, but mase took it back to simpler times
thats what hip hop needed at the time

okok, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

haha!

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

no, the top ten bad boy singles are - feel so good, ill be missing you, hypnotise, mo money mo problems, if you think im jiggy, public enemy number one, bad boy 4 life, one more chance, all about the benjamins, juicy. those songs epitomise what diddy and bad boy were all about.

ok, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

Mase was like the rebirth of Spoonie Gee, the original flashy Harlem ladies man.

He was also the first rapper to give the Neptunes a shot with "lookin' at me" on "harlem world" before they blew up a little later with "superthug" by Noreaga.

http://www.hiphopflash.com/img/contenido/B.jpg

You HAVE to include "flava in ya ear" remix in a Bad Boy singles top ten.

ELLI$, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

I was murda, P. Diddy named me pretty
did it for the money now can you get wit' me?

ELLI$, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

no, flava in your ear was before bad boy really found their niche and spot and made their mark. ready to die, the flava in your ear era was alright, but it was when they stepped it up and took it to the next level, when puffy and biggie decided they wanted to break past the hip hop market that bad boy really set themselves apart from everyone else. thats when the REAL bad boy era started.... stuff like one more chance was leading up to that, and life after death and the no way out album just made it concrete. god i miss those times.

okoko, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

Maybe but it's the song that defined Bad Boy and announced a new era was here.

I agree with what you're saying but the thing that made Bad Boy truely great was that they made great street records as well as club records and even managed to turn hardcore tracks like "flava in ya ear", "warning", "it's all about the benjamins", "victory" and "whoa" into songs which were huge club records and pop hits.

ELLI$, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

LOL @ LOSERS

amon (eman), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

fuck the mase hate, feel so good is one of the top 5 rap singles ever. puffy is one of the top 5 hip hop producers of all time. ill be missing you is probably the best tribute to a dead rapper in hip hop's history

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Dan (Jesus Wept) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

i'm SURE he's kidding.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

but back then street records WERE club hits at the same time so that wasnt that big a deal
i dont remember flava in your era and warning being big pop hits, big rap and R&B hits yeah, but pop? i dunno, but maybe my memory's poor
bad boy did make great hardcore tracks too, but those were usually in the minority compared to the jiggy stuff
the lox made a mistake thinking that tracks like if you think im jiggy were lame - thats still one of their best tracks! no one wants to hear those three losers do their hardcore act for a whole fucking album

okok, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

In the middle of the day now babbbyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
i seem to think of only youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
heeyyy oh..oohhhh yeeaahhh

ELLI$, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

i think this thread should be left alone now as it is meant to be about reynolds (who liked bad boy back in 97 so obv has great taste), but i have made a post about this on www.okayplayer.com if anyone wants to discuss it there, feel free. ive never posted anything there but i thought it was time to post after lurking for so long. i could have made the post here but ILX doesnt deserve the diddy.

okok, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

since this thread has totally lost direction, i have started a new bad boy thread here:
bad boy records - C or D

okok, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

okayplayer is, like, jazzy Urkel-rap heaven, dawg, but yes let's let the people go back to discussing this Reynolds fellow and Pitchfork writers.

ELLI$, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

I hope Simon's appreciating the efforts all you people have gone to on his behalf

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

erm, you do know that ELLI$ is actually reynolds, right?

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

I don't care much either way

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, dear, it sound terrible if SR did say that thing.

This thread is funny and interesting, in 2002!

the bellefox, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

he really did say that -- in 2003.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

i wouldnt be surprised if elli$ is reynolds - both like bad boy, both know only white loser rap nerds liked wu-tang, both know what real rap is about, both know about REAL things that REAL hip hop listeners know about, and both could educate all of us about hip-hop.

anyway, back to reynolds, i find it funny how people on dissensus and dubstep's forum seem to have trouble formulating an opinion until he gives his hifalutin theory on something and then they either parrot it or alter it slightly and adopt it as their own. reynolds truly must be god. anyway, im done with this post now. its gone off the rails. funny how people still dont believe SR said 'that thing'!

clinton, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Ok, so you're Reynolds then

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

I am not this fellow but i am thanked on a couple of Bad Boy cd's.

I like some Wu-Tang, "only built 4 cuban linx" in particular.

ELLI$, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

I am not this fellow but i am thanked on a couple of Bad Boy cd's.

Well you always need somebody to take out the trash don't you?

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

dude, im surprised you liked wu-tang, theyre from an island outside manhattan. theyre not real new york rappers! i think a lot of white people liked them so maybe you shouldnt. not like diddy - no white people bought his music. no siree.

clinton, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

i thank god on all my cds, then elli$

dumdum, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

I am friends with D. Dot (Bad Boy producer and the madd rapper) and Black Rob.

ELLI$, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

I was P.Diddy's personal fluffer for the entire Bad Boy roster (except Faith and Total, I told Diddy I don't do girls).

ELLI$, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

... so you are Simon Reynolds after all

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Heh. Frankly, i'd rather stick my dick in Puffy than Faith (no homo !).

ELLI$, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

OK this thread took a weird turn.
Elli$ you need to chill a bit. You're mostly right, also Harlem World fucking rules, one of the best rap albums of the late 90s. My friends and I were just talking about "I Need To Be"

I had n*ggas making bets like, did he fuck her yet?
Ask her did he touch her bra, when I say nah they say 'AWWWW'

HOWEVER

The Lox were better on Bad Boy than they have been since.

No way is their first album better than We are the Streets.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

I will give it up for the Lox on "24 Hours to Live" though - "If I had 24 hours to kick the bucket, fuck it, I'd rather eat some fried chicken and drink a nantucket."

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

"See nowadays man you got to know these bitches' age
Cuz they ass be real fast when they be goin' through that phase"

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

WTF@ellis using black popularity as a reason for wack rappers' worth (as if black people all have taste, black masses are just like white masses, masses are masses, prone to the same problems).
also WTF@chastising underground rap and their fans for being a white peoples thing when white people buy and attend concerts of dr dre, snoop 50 et al to the point where they easily outnumber black fans. the ratio of white fans to black fans is prob the same in mainstream and underground rap.

derekjetter, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

EARTH TO ILM: ELLI$ BE TROLLIN YALL

TROLLI$, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

elli$ is whizzite too!

derekjetter, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

stupidest thread-turn ever

barbarian cities (jaybob3005), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

whatever would reynolds say.

derekjetter, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

Ellis isn't white but whatever. And he's not trolling, he's just playing the Mad ILMer.

Also I realized the lyrics I copypasted are wrong, it's "they ass be real fat when they goin through that phase."

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

dude, a few words mistakenly cut and pasted doesnt matter really. whats important is that the essence of that line came through properly, and it did. and its important that we all recognise and realise that yes, their asses DO get real fat when theyre going through that phase. diddy, we salute you for all of this. on behalf of reynolds, he salutes you too (but in a hyper theorised kind of salute)

okok, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

how about a new board, I Love Bad Boy, to confine the Bad Boy Records street team to? all in favor say "uh huh, yeah."

TROLLOLLI$, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Questions for mos of the people who posted on the 7th:

1. Do any of you really think rappers can become superstars without a massive white audience?

2. Raise your hand if you listen to your favorite hip-hop acts in seclusion (be it in your bedroom in your mom's basement, or on your iPod she bought you for your birthday).

3. Raise your hand (don't worry, nobody can actually see you raising it!) if you touch your naughty places when looking at the oiled up shirtless poster of Tupac hanging on your wall next to your bed.

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

AGAIN, I HEAR MY NAME!!!
DO THEY MEAN ME? SURELY THEY DO!!!


I FEEL LIKE EMINEM WHEN HE GOT ATTACKED AND DRAGGED THROUGH THE MUD FOR SAYING THE N WORD. YES I SAID SIMON FRITH WAS MY NIGGA FOR LIFE BUT THATS COS HE IS - WHEN WE GET TOGETHER WE GIVE EACH OTHER A POUND, GIVE EACH OTHER MAN HUGS, SLAP EACH OTHER FIVES, TALK A BIT OF JIVE, EXCHANGE THE LATEST STREET SLANG AND THEN WE PUT ON OUR BANDANAS, GET IN OUR LEX AND DRIVE OFF INTO THE SUNSET LISTENING TO THE LATEST DIPLOMATS MIXTAPE! AND ANYWAY AS THE RESPONSES MAKE OBVIOUS, IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT RACIAL EPITHETS I USE, I RUN TINGS ON ILM, I RUN TINGS ON DISSENSUS, WOEBOT LATCHES ON TO EVERY SINGLE THING I SAY, HAS MEMORISED MY ENTIRE BLOG WORD FOR WORD AND MENTALLY CATALOGUED ALL MY ENTRIES, AND MAN LIKE MARTIN CLARK STAY TRYING TO IMPRESS ME. I AM TOO BIG! SO CALM DOWN BLUDS AND BLUDESSES, RUDEBOYS AND RUDEGALS (YES I AM ALLOWED TO USE THOSE WORDS WITHOUT FEAR OF BEING ATTACKED AS A WIGGA, AS I SAID A LITTLE EARLIER, I AM TOO BIG! MY GHETTO PASS IS FOR LIFE RUDEBOY!). ANYWAY EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A FETISH FOR THE STREET SHIT (WHICH I KNOW ALL ABOUT BECAUSE AS YOU MIGHT KNOW, I AM PART COCKNEY, AND I AM NOT TOTALY WHITE EITHER, I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ASIAN CULTURE BUT I AM PART INDIAN SO THERE! MY ETHNIC PASS IS INTACT YALL!) BUT I GOT NO BEEF WIV ANY OF YOUS PLAYA HATAZ LOL WE SHOULD ALL GO SEE A SCREENING OF PRACTICE HOURS 2 SOON, AND WE CAN DRINK AND SMOKE TOGETHER AS BREDRENS, EMAIL ME IF YOU ARE ALL COOL FOR THIS COS THAT WOULD BE MASSIVE. BIG UP TO MARCUS NASTY AND ALL MY MANS IN LOCKDOWN, BIG UP TO ALL BLOGGERS DRIVEN OUT OF CYBERSPACE, STAY STRONG IN THE BLOGOSTRUGGLE, SHOUT OUT TO ALL CADBURYS CREME EGG MASSIVE, EAT YOUR YOLK AND LICK FROM INSIDE, BIGGLE!

YOURS, GRIMEY 'ENDZ 4 LIFE' SIMEY

grimeysimey, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

1. i notice mention of meltzer on welk, upthread. what can this be? it is a pity sinker is absent

2. i dont understand the implication that only 'street teamers' would like bad boy records. it seems to be a recurring theme on the internet, that posters dont really like popular music, that it is somehow a stance, somehow faux, as though ordinary people somehow don't use the internet. this is not limited to just this board. it is also interesting how bad boy records somehow came to stand for 'commercial nonsense' (whatever that is), in the eyes of 'purists' (whoever they are), and, perhaps more predictably, non hip-hop fans

3. i am impressed by the depth of knowledge grimeysimey displays about reynolds. but i think we are missing something crucial here, his (on the down low) love for mid80s butthole surfers

terry lennox. (gareth), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

oh, i notice this thread also mentions julie tippetts. a thread with both julie tippetts and ma$e on, surely cannot be all bad?

terry lennox. (gareth), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

okok, it's a ma$e quote. And an awesome song. Also, you are boring.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

can someone photoshop a pic of spock looking at a phonebooth?

'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

AGAIN, I HEAR MY NAME!!!, etc etc etc.

Roffle. Well done.

xero (xero), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)


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