I can definitely confirm that Hootie & The Blowfish and Dave Matthews Band had zero impact here. I couldn't even tell you the name of a Hootie & The Blowfish song off the top of my head.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:37 (nine years ago) link
I think we cited Up in this thread.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:39 (nine years ago) link
xpost:
The thing about "Britpop" (or whatever you want to call it) is that there were different strands running alongside each other which unfortunately all got lumped in together as one thing, which does nobody any favours. Mansun were more for those who were listening to Suede or Manic Street Preachers, rather than those listening to the OCS/Cast/Stereophonics "wing" of Britpop.
But anyway, back on topic...
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:44 (nine years ago) link
What was Shakira's New Jersey? Oral Fixation? She Wolf?
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:47 (nine years ago) link
i just looked at the list of biggest selling albums ever in canada to see if there was anything could fit itt and this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Shiny_Tunes_2
is the 5th biggest selling album ever.
check the tracklist
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:48 (nine years ago) link
tempted to poll it
Favourite track from Canada's 5th biggest selling album of all-time "Big Shiny Tunes 2"
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:51 (nine years ago) link
dunno if it came up on this thread -- so many 1986 superstar albums qualify -- but Break Every Rule, yes?
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 January 2015 01:12 (nine years ago) link
honestly, the drop in sales and success is so extreme (5x platinum to one, one top 10 hit rather than 3) it probably classifies more as a fairweather johnson
apparently in the uk it's album AFTER break every rule thats huge
― da croupier, Monday, 26 January 2015 01:19 (nine years ago) link
George Harrison - Living in the Material World.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 February 2015 01:39 (nine years ago) link
one good one I thought of recently (re-reading Shakey the Neil Young book) is Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Deja Vu
follow up to the mega debut CSN album, according to the book shipped 4 mil out the gate, spawned huge overblown stadium tour, but isn't very well regarded now
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 February 2015 01:49 (nine years ago) link
but no one thought Deja Vu triggered a decline, especially when the solo projects still sold pretty well.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:07 (nine years ago) link
Isn't well regarded now by whom?
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:19 (nine years ago) link
crosby stills nash & young to start
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:20 (nine years ago) link
That album is fire
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:21 (nine years ago) link
Who cares what they think
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:22 (nine years ago) link
also it's the decline of the GROUP - they didn't do another album for years & neil got big but he was kinda his own thing to begin with
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:22 (nine years ago) link
I will just say that Deja Vu is viewed as one of the two great CSN/Y records, which invalidates it as a New Jersey.
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:27 (nine years ago) link
Isn't Deja Vu considered the best CSN(Y) record? And it's not like "Our House," "Woodstock," or "Teach Your Children" have gone the way of "Born to Be My Baby" or "Lay Your Hands on Me."
― intheblanks, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:28 (nine years ago) link
Not to mention "Helpless" or "Almost Cut My Hair"
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:33 (nine years ago) link
Alright rescinded!
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:51 (nine years ago) link
too early to call but this new macklemore video seems pretty classically new jersey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGhoLcsr8GA#t=47
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 September 2015 13:51 (nine years ago) link
tbh i could see it as a total free-fall bomb, but yeah it does have the attempted BIGNESS.
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 3 September 2015 13:54 (nine years ago) link
yeah it could just be bomb but that video is like man....10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound sock
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:01 (nine years ago) link
wuuuuuuuuuuuuuut
― marcos, Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:13 (nine years ago) link
rolling gtfo worst songs for sure
-100,000 pts too for the line about macklemore's scrotum so gross
wow. the shifts in genre and tone from section to section are like shitty k-pop (and the amount of time it takes to get to the chorus is absurd even by those standards). can't imagine why anyone involved thought it would work in the western market in 2015...
― soyrev, Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link
and xxxxxxxps lol deja vu is not a new jersey!! that album is pretty universally regarded (among csny fans at least) as a classic! if anything four way street is the new jersey
― marcos, Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
also i love yeezus but i do wonder if yeezus will be kanye's new jersey
haha okay.
Dear ILX, #CROZ, Stephen Stills, Graham Nash, and Neil Young
Earlier this year I made some unfortunate comments about your classic album Deja Vu, referring to it as a "New Jersey."
In retrospect, this statement was ill-considered and offensive, and do not reflect what is in my heart.
I've recently entered treatment to deal with some personal issues, and I'd ask that the public respect my privacy at this time.
I sincerely apologize for any hurt my comments have caused.
Sincerely,Upper Mississipi Sh@kedown
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:23 (nine years ago) link
― marcos, Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:13 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is where i first encountered this song. actually besides this thread here it's the only place i've encountered this song. keep bracing myself to hear it at the grocery store or something, so far so good
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
i've heard it(s first few bars before quickly shutting it off) on pop radio a few times already
― dyl, Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:40 (nine years ago) link
lol ums
― marcos, Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link
i can't play "new jersey" with macklemore - or anybody today - until he 1) has an album several big but hollow hits and 2) the album after THAT does considerably worse. like, NOW, I might say Lady Gaga's Born This Way was New Jersey-ish, as Artpop has suggested itself as her Keep The faith. it's also hard because music sales themselves are cratering so there are fewer statistics to play with. i mean, you don't wanna be some putz throwing the term around based on personal distaste for the artist.
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
that vid seems more like an internet thing meant to go viral than a radio single, probably using it to hype the album before releasing whatever the "single" is (probably a song about extreme couponing or some such).
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:15 (nine years ago) link
followed by a tribute to Caitlyn Jenner that samples "She's a Lady" and mentions how once he tried on his mom's bra and high heels.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:17 (nine years ago) link
yeah at this point album sales are virtually useless for new jersey calculations, at best you could try to approximate based on singles and stuff. the funny thing is that the ARTPOP singles actually did kinda okay? even though it was obvious the crest had passed and she wasn't a phenomenon anymore. but you need more time to tell - - maybe the next one is this big comeback. who knows.
setting aside the "too soon to tell" factor, i dunno - - - back during the great new jersey debates i gradually came to believe the entire thing really only made sense as an artifact of the soundscan era, for various reasons relating to how albums were marketed and bought, and any attempts to transpose it to earlier or later periods always felt like something didn't match up right. the dumb massiveness of an ultimately pointless 'event' album just doesn't happen in the same way now i think. before thriller most albums weren't built up enough as 'events' and after the death of physical media nothing feels massive in the same way.
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link
yeah there's really no contemporary equivalent of people actually lining up outside a Sam Goody to buy Use Your Illusions or whatever, and it was really only a thing for a fleeting moment in time.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link
*Illusion
Yeezus in no way qualifies as a New Jersey. Maybe if mbdtf was considered a flop it could have been but then he had mercy dominating the summer 2 years later so... Nah
― mods = chickenshit idiots (D-40), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link
I don't know about the Illusions fitting into this category. I doubt too many folks are actively seeking out New Jersey (pun intended) these days, but I bet the GN'R back catalog still gets plenty of sales. I don't think November Rain, You Could Be Mine etc were hits because of left over good feelings from Appetite and Lies. Then again I love Chinese Democracy so what the hell do I know.
― DavidLeeRoth, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link
Skyscraper was probably your New Jersey
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:34 (nine years ago) link
Covered upthread and basically a consensus pick. But I was more just citing it as an album I strongly remember people lining up for
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
the funny thing is that the ARTPOP singles actually did kinda okay?
The Fame/Fame Monster: "Just Dance" (#1), "Poker Face" (#1), "Love Game" (#5), "Bad Romance" (#2), "Telephone" (#3), "Alejandro" (#5)
Born This Way: "Born This Way" (#1), "Judas" (#10), "Edge Of Glory" (#3), "You And I" (#6)
Artpop: "Applause" (#4), "Do What U Want" (13)
--
Keep in mind that Keep The Faith had a top ten hit too.
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
"Judas" (#10) being her "Living In Sin" (#9), imo
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
With art pop those are just peaks, how long was applause even on the charts
― mods = chickenshit idiots (D-40), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
d-40 you realize i'm saying the success of the artpop singles pale in comparison to the previous, right?
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:57 (nine years ago) link
like Yeezus in no way qualifies as a New Jersey. Maybe if mbdtf was considered a flop it could have been makes no sense
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link
granted the title throws people off who come into this nerdery late in the game - there's more to it than just "a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline". a new jersey is never a comeback album - which is the implication if mbdtf had flopped - but rather than bloated overappreciated sequel to the true success
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link