Every huge artist has their "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline

(UK)

CAS was their final album so I guess the game was really up

beasties have no new jersey
these five words i swear to you

I had to google fairweather johnson. Hootie had zero impact over here. Like DMB i wouldnt even know who they were if it wasnt for the internet

I wish I could say that

I guess they don't have khaki low profile baseball hats in the UK though

where is this magical place you speak of

you guys didnt get ocean colour scene, stereophonics and other britpop shit that we all hate and you guys wonder who we are talking about.
nu metal otoh did cross here

xp
the UK

the land where kula shaker had hits.

OCS and Stereophonics were big enough to be on my radar even as a landlocked yank; didn't care for either though

now Mansun -- that was a band

Shania Twain - Up! ???

I can definitely confirm that Hootie & The Blowfish and Dave Matthews Band had zero impact here. I couldn't even tell you the name of a Hootie & The Blowfish song off the top of my head.

I think we cited Up in this thread.

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The thing about "Britpop" (or whatever you want to call it) is that there were different strands running alongside each other which unfortunately all got lumped in together as one thing, which does nobody any favours. Mansun were more for those who were listening to Suede or Manic Street Preachers, rather than those listening to the OCS/Cast/Stereophonics "wing" of Britpop.

But anyway, back on topic...

What was Shakira's New Jersey? Oral Fixation? She Wolf?

i just looked at the list of biggest selling albums ever in canada to see if there was anything could fit itt and this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Shiny_Tunes_2

is the 5th biggest selling album ever.

check the tracklist

tempted to poll it

Favourite track from Canada's 5th biggest selling album of all-time "Big Shiny Tunes 2"

dunno if it came up on this thread -- so many 1986 superstar albums qualify -- but Break Every Rule, yes?

honestly, the drop in sales and success is so extreme (5x platinum to one, one top 10 hit rather than 3) it probably classifies more as a fairweather johnson

apparently in the uk it's album AFTER break every rule thats huge

George Harrison - Living in the Material World.

one good one I thought of recently (re-reading Shakey the Neil Young book) is Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Deja Vu

follow up to the mega debut CSN album, according to the book shipped 4 mil out the gate, spawned huge overblown stadium tour, but isn't very well regarded now

but no one thought Deja Vu triggered a decline, especially when the solo projects still sold pretty well.

Isn't well regarded now by whom?

crosby stills nash & young to start

That album is fire

Who cares what they think

also it's the decline of the GROUP - they didn't do another album for years & neil got big but he was kinda his own thing to begin with

I will just say that Deja Vu is viewed as one of the two great CSN/Y records, which invalidates it as a New Jersey.

Isn't Deja Vu considered the best CSN(Y) record? And it's not like "Our House," "Woodstock," or "Teach Your Children" have gone the way of "Born to Be My Baby" or "Lay Your Hands on Me."

Not to mention "Helpless" or "Almost Cut My Hair"

Alright rescinded!

too early to call but this new macklemore video seems pretty classically new jersey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGhoLcsr8GA#t=47

tbh i could see it as a total free-fall bomb, but yeah it does have the attempted BIGNESS.

yeah it could just be bomb but that video is like man....10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound sock

wuuuuuuuuuuuuuut

rolling gtfo worst songs for sure

-100,000 pts too for the line about macklemore's scrotum so gross

wow. the shifts in genre and tone from section to section are like shitty k-pop (and the amount of time it takes to get to the chorus is absurd even by those standards). can't imagine why anyone involved thought it would work in the western market in 2015...

and xxxxxxxps lol deja vu is not a new jersey!! that album is pretty universally regarded (among csny fans at least) as a classic! if anything four way street is the new jersey

also i love yeezus but i do wonder if yeezus will be kanye's new jersey

haha okay.

Dear ILX, #CROZ, Stephen Stills, Graham Nash, and Neil Young

Earlier this year I made some unfortunate comments about your classic album Deja Vu, referring to it as a "New Jersey."

In retrospect, this statement was ill-considered and offensive, and do not reflect what is in my heart.

I've recently entered treatment to deal with some personal issues, and I'd ask that the public respect my privacy at this time.

I sincerely apologize for any hurt my comments have caused.

Sincerely,
Upper Mississipi Sh@kedown

rolling gtfo worst songs for sure

― marcos, Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:13 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is where i first encountered this song. actually besides this thread here it's the only place i've encountered this song. keep bracing myself to hear it at the grocery store or something, so far so good

i've heard it(s first few bars before quickly shutting it off) on pop radio a few times already

lol ums

i can't play "new jersey" with macklemore - or anybody today - until he 1) has an album several big but hollow hits and 2) the album after THAT does considerably worse. like, NOW, I might say Lady Gaga's Born This Way was New Jersey-ish, as Artpop has suggested itself as her Keep The faith. it's also hard because music sales themselves are cratering so there are fewer statistics to play with. i mean, you don't wanna be some putz throwing the term around based on personal distaste for the artist.

that vid seems more like an internet thing meant to go viral than a radio single, probably using it to hype the album before releasing whatever the "single" is (probably a song about extreme couponing or some such).

followed by a tribute to Caitlyn Jenner that samples "She's a Lady" and mentions how once he tried on his mom's bra and high heels.

yeah at this point album sales are virtually useless for new jersey calculations, at best you could try to approximate based on singles and stuff. the funny thing is that the ARTPOP singles actually did kinda okay? even though it was obvious the crest had passed and she wasn't a phenomenon anymore. but you need more time to tell - - maybe the next one is this big comeback. who knows.

setting aside the "too soon to tell" factor, i dunno - - - back during the great new jersey debates i gradually came to believe the entire thing really only made sense as an artifact of the soundscan era, for various reasons relating to how albums were marketed and bought, and any attempts to transpose it to earlier or later periods always felt like something didn't match up right. the dumb massiveness of an ultimately pointless 'event' album just doesn't happen in the same way now i think. before thriller most albums weren't built up enough as 'events' and after the death of physical media nothing feels massive in the same way.

yeah there's really no contemporary equivalent of people actually lining up outside a Sam Goody to buy Use Your Illusions or whatever, and it was really only a thing for a fleeting moment in time.