Don Caballero - American Don
― Master of Treacle, Sunday, 11 January 2015 05:27 (nine years ago) link
@da croupier: this is super weird. i see what you see now, but i was just rereading Carducci's Rock and the Pop Narcotic, and he goes on and on in it about how SLTS peaked at 41 on Billboard (his point not being that it wasn't actually a huge hit, but that it was mostly for MTV/not for any big radio impact). he wrote the book in '95 and revised it much later. not sure how he could both botch a stat so thoroughly and neglect to correct it.
(btw R&TPN is a much more prejudiced and nasty read than i remembered it as a teenager. still full of great insights but this factual gaffe is disconcerting)
― soyrev, Sunday, 11 January 2015 06:58 (nine years ago) link
― Master of Treacle, Sunday, January 11, 2015 12:27 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a New Jersey cannot be an art rock masterpiece
― when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 11 January 2015 07:12 (nine years ago) link
lol i was up late last night and saw spazz mention dots and loops ... i knew da croupier would be riled up.
this thread rules.
― alpine static, Sunday, 11 January 2015 07:53 (nine years ago) link
Incredible how Carducci can make this mistake. Mucb of Nevermind's narrative depends on knocking Thriller from #1 and SLTS hitting top ten.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 January 2015 12:26 (nine years ago) link
― Master of Treacle,
how many weeks was this in the top ten
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 January 2015 12:30 (nine years ago) link
At the end of the day, I'm not sure New Jersey is actually a worse album than Slippery When Wet tbh.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 11 January 2015 14:45 (nine years ago) link
Going to listen to "Born to Be My Baby" now.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 11 January 2015 14:46 (nine years ago) link
I still rep for "I'll be there for you"
― da croupier, Sunday, 11 January 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
Re cardiucci, I totally want to read that book but am not surprised he could get some stats very very wrong
― da croupier, Sunday, 11 January 2015 15:09 (nine years ago) link
I will rep for Blood on Blood
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 January 2015 15:49 (nine years ago) link
We never did determine if Elvis Costello had a New Jersey, but http://youtu.be/jNsgOhIcqNQ
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 11 January 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
If you're reading Rock and the Pop Narcotic for pop chart stats...
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 11 January 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link
"EVERY HUGE ARTIST HAS A BE HERE NOW" AKA the UK version
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 January 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link
Backing up, to say Weezer Make Believe was an event album is really wrong, looks like it's not even multiplatinum, American Idiot is from the year before, did 15M sales, spawned a Broadway musical, and rewrote Green Days critical/establishment cred to the point they got in the Hall of Fame
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 11 January 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link
hahahaha holy fuck
― soyrev, Sunday, 11 January 2015 16:20 (nine years ago) link
ilxor...
Dire Straits?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 January 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link
On Every Street did go platinum in the US (& sold 10 million worldwide) but I don't remember it being an event record. It felt like Dire Straits had been gone for too long.
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 January 2015 19:02 (nine years ago) link
It also came out about two weeks before Nevermind
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 January 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link
iirc, Knopfler confidently and repeatedly proclaimed at the time that OES would be the biggest-selling album of all time.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 11 January 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link
that's his own affair
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 January 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link
I certainly remember a LOT of coverage in non music media (tabloids/tv) but i swear i cant remember any of the singles
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 January 2015 19:13 (nine years ago) link
I remember "Calling Elvis" and "Heavy Fuel" getting tons of AOR airplay, though apparently neither of them charted. I also remember despising both songs.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 11 January 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link
wiki says Calling Elvis only got to #21 but I think it got a lot of airplay as i listened on youtube and actually remember it
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 January 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link
(UK)
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 January 2015 19:23 (nine years ago) link
CAS was their final album so I guess the game was really up
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 January 2015 19:27 (nine years ago) link
beasties have no new jerseythese five words i swear to you
― billstevejim, Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:11 (nine years ago) link
I had to google fairweather johnson. Hootie had zero impact over here. Like DMB i wouldnt even know who they were if it wasnt for the internet
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:15 (nine years ago) link
I wish I could say that
I guess they don't have khaki low profile baseball hats in the UK though
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:16 (nine years ago) link
where is this magical place you speak of
― World B Frizzle (rip van wanko), Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:19 (nine years ago) link
you guys didnt get ocean colour scene, stereophonics and other britpop shit that we all hate and you guys wonder who we are talking about.nu metal otoh did cross here
xpthe UK
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:19 (nine years ago) link
the land where kula shaker had hits.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:20 (nine years ago) link
OCS and Stereophonics were big enough to be on my radar even as a landlocked yank; didn't care for either though
― World B Frizzle (rip van wanko), Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:24 (nine years ago) link
now Mansun -- that was a band
― World B Frizzle (rip van wanko), Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:32 (nine years ago) link
Shania Twain - Up! ???
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:33 (nine years ago) link
I can definitely confirm that Hootie & The Blowfish and Dave Matthews Band had zero impact here. I couldn't even tell you the name of a Hootie & The Blowfish song off the top of my head.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:37 (nine years ago) link
I think we cited Up in this thread.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:39 (nine years ago) link
xpost:
The thing about "Britpop" (or whatever you want to call it) is that there were different strands running alongside each other which unfortunately all got lumped in together as one thing, which does nobody any favours. Mansun were more for those who were listening to Suede or Manic Street Preachers, rather than those listening to the OCS/Cast/Stereophonics "wing" of Britpop.
But anyway, back on topic...
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:44 (nine years ago) link
What was Shakira's New Jersey? Oral Fixation? She Wolf?
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:47 (nine years ago) link
i just looked at the list of biggest selling albums ever in canada to see if there was anything could fit itt and this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Shiny_Tunes_2
is the 5th biggest selling album ever.
check the tracklist
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:48 (nine years ago) link
tempted to poll it
Favourite track from Canada's 5th biggest selling album of all-time "Big Shiny Tunes 2"
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 January 2015 23:51 (nine years ago) link
dunno if it came up on this thread -- so many 1986 superstar albums qualify -- but Break Every Rule, yes?
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 January 2015 01:12 (nine years ago) link
honestly, the drop in sales and success is so extreme (5x platinum to one, one top 10 hit rather than 3) it probably classifies more as a fairweather johnson
apparently in the uk it's album AFTER break every rule thats huge
― da croupier, Monday, 26 January 2015 01:19 (nine years ago) link
George Harrison - Living in the Material World.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 February 2015 01:39 (nine years ago) link
one good one I thought of recently (re-reading Shakey the Neil Young book) is Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Deja Vu
follow up to the mega debut CSN album, according to the book shipped 4 mil out the gate, spawned huge overblown stadium tour, but isn't very well regarded now
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 February 2015 01:49 (nine years ago) link
but no one thought Deja Vu triggered a decline, especially when the solo projects still sold pretty well.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:07 (nine years ago) link
Isn't well regarded now by whom?
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:19 (nine years ago) link
crosby stills nash & young to start
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:20 (nine years ago) link