Amon Düül II--Classic or Dud?

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i can send it to you

Professor Challenger (ex machina), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)

OK but I ain't payin' $681.

nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i meant online

Professor Challenger (ex machina), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Sure, send it to me, I got DSL. Just take the "y" out of the address. Not sure why I never got that one, it has "Archangel's Thunderbird" on it right?

nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
So Phallus Dei, Yeti and Dance of the Lemmings were remastered and reissued a couple weeks ago. I had forgetten that I had never gotten Lemmings. AMG claimed its their best, so I wasn't sure why, until I listened to some of the MP3s I have -- it seems quite a bit less focused and powerful than Yeti. I probably didn't get it because of Julian Cope's Krautrocksampler book, where he dismisses Lemmings as "a pile of pedestrian shit." Hmmm. Then again, this is coming from the guy who likes the tedious Cosmic Jokers, and who also dismisses Cluster '71 and Can's gorgeous Future Days and Soon After Babaluma.

Cope's book is entertaining yet frustrating. I really wish he made his top 50 list in order of preference rather than alphabetical. Occasionally he would make a solid statement, like, "this is my favorite Can album" (Ege Bamyasi). I made a top 13 of Cope's picks, gauging them by the amount of hyperbole he spewed.

1 Ash Ra Tempel
2 La Dusseldorf
3 Neu! 75
4 Can - Ege Bamyasi
5 Ash Ra Tempel - Schwingungen
6 Neu!
7 Amon Duul II - Yeti
8 Popol Vuh - In den Garten Pharoas
9 Harmonia - Deluxe
10 Tangerine Dream - Zeit
11 Cluster - Zuckerzeit
12 Can - Tago Mago
13 Tangerine Dream - Alpha Centauri

I need to check to see if there have been any exceptional remasters of any of the above in addition to Amon Duul II. Anyone know?

I don't know that anyone will answer, as I don't know that anyone will find this with both the Search and New Answers functions broken. I found this thread with Google. Sigh.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Saturday, 2 September 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Amon Duul 2 : Revisted Rec vs. Repertoire Reissue Mania WTFSTOPITSTOPITSTOPITFFS!

the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Saturday, 2 September 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

that reminds, i saw these "new" re-masters in a store and they say "mastered by E-rok", same motherfucker(s) who did the repertoire ones. i'd really like to hear an explanation of why these rerererreereissues are considered necessary

señor citizen (eman), Saturday, 2 September 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Well my copies are from around '94, so anything's probably an improvement.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Saturday, 2 September 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

Yeti is a like a BJ from JC

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 2 September 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

Well my copies are from around '94

these albums were already re-mastered in '02. read the thread linked above

señor citizen (eman), Saturday, 2 September 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

Haha latebloomer

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Sunday, 3 September 2006 08:48 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

"Vive la Trance" is so f'in great. I don't see many folks vouching hard for anything thereafter, but I just gotta check more stuff out... if the SONGZ stay even 1/2 as good...!

Also, as mentioned above -- the last track on "Wolf City" = 8-)))

morris pavilion, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 05:11 (eighteen years ago)

My favorite Krauts by far!

I have at least one later than Vive La Trance called Hijack. It's awful.

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 06:14 (eighteen years ago)

See, I may have bought that once and then returned it, I can't remember! Maybe I'll skip to "Made in Germany"; the allmusic write-up on that one makes it sound pretty great...

Something about the funny/serious, clever without being too goofy, great songwriting that's self-confident without taking itself too seriously, thing on those later albums really hits a sweet spot for me... I'd try to name a few other bands that kinda work the same way, but it'd seem flighty, they're all so dissimilar. (I guess Guru Guru does something kinda equivalent for me, without the songwriting part; they're similar enough.)

morris pavilion, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 06:24 (eighteen years ago)

It's like this certain vibe -- adult musicians at the peak of their playing and songwriting prowess; so great at what they do that they can be totally relaxed, though focused and totally on-point; a little dryly "whimsical," almost underplaying their hand, but also "nailing" it somehow...

morris pavilion, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 06:28 (eighteen years ago)

it's been a while, but I'm starting to appreciate the post Wolf City stuff.

1978's Only Human doesn't get nearly enough love. It's my favorite AD2 release post-Wolf City.. very different, but still well crafted. Some songs work better than others. "Kirk Morgan" is so ahead of its time as far as the guitar playing and electronic beats.

Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 07:54 (eighteen years ago)

four months pass...

APOCALYPTIC BORE

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 8 April 2008 03:59 (eighteen years ago)

Amon Düül >>>> Amon Düül II

Bill in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 April 2008 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

Yawn

Tom D., Tuesday, 8 April 2008 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

Amon Düül >>>> Amon Düül II

APOCALYPTIC BORE

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 8 April 2008 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

I will take this opportunity to once again rep for live in london. yeti and lemmings are great but live in london is loud.

Edward III, Tuesday, 8 April 2008 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

Did you ever get Made In Germany morris? I like that one more than Hijack but not as much as any of the earlier ones.

nickn, Tuesday, 8 April 2008 23:58 (eighteen years ago)

"Hijack" is rubbish. "Made In Germany" is actually quite good if you cherrypick the good tracks, it's a guilty pleasue of mine.

Tom D., Wednesday, 9 April 2008 08:53 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think "Hijack" is entirely rubbish. I love the tape-loop disco of "Da Guadaloop," "Lonely Woman" sets lyrics to the (uncredited) Ornette Coleman melody, and there's another couple quirky pop tunes here and there. Not as good as "Made In Germany" though, which I really do like front to back.

Dan Peterson, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

Is that the full double-lp "Germany" or the single version?

Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

The one I like front to back? American single LP. I've never heard the double.

Dan Peterson, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

five months pass...

WHY DIDN'T I GET INTO THESE DUDES EARLIER???

i had heard stuff at friend's houses and shit and liked it but only today bought this The UA Years 69-74 comp cuz it was in the CD cutout bin at electric fetus...

so good!

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 19 September 2008 16:15 (seventeen years ago)

The thread should have been titled Classic or Düüd, though.

I still haven't checked out the original AD, nor acquired Yeti. I did pick up a Krautrock DVD at the Tower closing sale but haven't played it yet (ADII are on it).

nickn, Friday, 19 September 2008 17:22 (seventeen years ago)

Only Human!

Craig D., Friday, 19 September 2008 17:35 (seventeen years ago)

After Kraftwerk, the best Krautrock band by far. Yes better than Can!

Nate Carson, Friday, 19 September 2008 20:27 (seventeen years ago)

Wau I dunno if I feel ya on that, though they are absolutely fantastic. Top 5 kraut for sure.
I am actually more of an AD I guy. Longer jams. More hippie vibing.

ian, Friday, 19 September 2008 20:40 (seventeen years ago)

Not saying they're more important/influential. Just more consistently rewarding.

Nate Carson, Friday, 19 September 2008 20:46 (seventeen years ago)

The wonders of personal preference.

ian, Friday, 19 September 2008 20:50 (seventeen years ago)

I'd put Can ahead of Kraftwerk, and both ahead of ADII.

nickn, Friday, 19 September 2008 21:21 (seventeen years ago)

Can is fucking awesome, but you have to admit they are pretty damn awkward more often than not. Tago Mago is not exactly fun to listen to... and I love difficult/extreme music.

But I am definitely talking personal opinion here.

Nate Carson, Friday, 19 September 2008 21:48 (seventeen years ago)

This is kind of new - http://www.furious.com/perfect/amonduulII.html

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 15:01 (seventeen years ago)

I was listening to Wolf City, Vive La Trance, and Made In Germany last night as my vinyl was being sold off. Wolf City is just so so good. Vive La Trance isn't perfect, but it's highlights.. holy shit. "Mozambique" and "Mimikry" are two of AD2's best songs. I'm not so much on the Made In Germany wagon, although there definitely are moments.

By Pyrogany 10th, they pretty much changed into a prog/pop rock band, but there are always good moments on all these albums all the way to and including Vortex. Only Human is definitely slept on.

Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 15:31 (seventeen years ago)

BTW, this has to be the FULL version of "Mozambique". Huge difference.. the second half of "Mozambique" = :-O

Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 15:32 (seventeen years ago)

For some reason I've never liked these guys... and I'm a sucker for most any krautrock out there. They are probably the only "important" krautrock band that I just don't get.

ilxor, Thursday, 25 September 2008 02:25 (seventeen years ago)

whoah that is some major dissing of the Amon Duul records in that Weinzerl interview.

sleeve, Thursday, 25 September 2008 02:26 (seventeen years ago)

"Very important: we are NOT a Krautrock band."

Oops!

Nate Carson, Thursday, 25 September 2008 07:17 (seventeen years ago)

"Eye-shaking king" is still one of the heaviest/ more fucked-up/ plainly weird songs ever.
Yeti = the real soundtrack to Jodorowsky's Holy Mountain (unintentionally funny bits included).

Marco Damiani, Thursday, 25 September 2008 08:01 (seventeen years ago)

"Very important: we are NOT a Krautrock band."

Oops!

Has any 'Krautrock' band ever said, "We're a Krautrock band"?

Tom D is a rattly old puffin, who remembers ILX in the days when... (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 September 2008 08:53 (seventeen years ago)

Just Faust.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 25 September 2008 14:18 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

I put on Carnival in Babylon in hopes of liking it, and I'll admit I liked it more than I did last time I tried it, but it was still eh to me. What do I need to hear instead?

the HOOS from the hilarious internet connection (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 22:00 (seventeen years ago)

I like everything up to and including Wolf City.
― hstencil, domingo 16 de noviembre de 2003 03:39 PM (5 years ago)

i.e. YETI

sleeve, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 23:25 (seventeen years ago)

i <3 yeti...i need to give tanz der lemminge more time...

still, someone go nominate AD2 in Sven's best band ever thread RIGHT NOW!!!

Janitor in the Valley of the Dolls (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 23:58 (seventeen years ago)

I like a lot of Yeti, but I don't like all of Yeti. The last two tracks (one of which is 18 minutes long) sort of lose the plot. At least, the plot I was following.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Thursday, 18 December 2008 00:43 (seventeen years ago)

I put on Carnival in Babylon in hopes of liking it, and I'll admit I liked it more than I did last time I tried it, but it was still eh to me.

yeti yeti yeti

CiB is pretty eh to everyone, i think, it's got a couple of good songs but it just feels flabby and unmemorable.

Manclusion (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 18 December 2008 02:33 (seventeen years ago)

OTM. Whereas "Wolf City" is sheer entertainment from start to finish.

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 December 2008 10:15 (seventeen years ago)


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