D'Angelo - Black Messiah (2014)

my Publix is fond of a not bad by chart DOA duet with Sly Stone from '86 called "Crazay."

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2012/09/the-best-song-of-2012-dangelos-the-charade.html

BTW - on the vinyl pressing, I asked on Twitter and apparantly it's a double LP? (which would make sense given the running time)

Ben Kane ‏@kanevibrations 45m45 minutes ago
@MattHelgeson it's a double LP and yes it was pressed from the hi def digital master which came off our tapes. It'll sound great!

my secret shame about this album is that Charade is my least favorite

it's not one that leaps out at me - wfmu blog correctly that it leans a lot on late-period Prince "rock" singles

xp I think they originally said double. But then the website says only "Side A" and "Side B", which I guess really means "Disc 1" and "Disc 2".

yeah that's why i was confused...but 58 minutes would really be pushing, I'm not even sure if that would physically be possible

from United Pressing's site:

12" Records

12" records are both the standard LP size and the standard for club DJ's. 12" Records can be cut at 45RPM or 33 1/3 RPM. When cut at 33 1/3 you can hold approximately 18:00 minutes per side. When cut at 45 you can hold approximately 12:00 minutes per side. These numbers are not set in stone they are just a suggested max as the quality can suffer at times if you go much over that.

so if 18 is reasonable max, let's say you totally pushed it to even 25 minutes per side, you'd still be 8 minutes short, and I'm not sure you can push 7 minutes over 18 per side anyway

can't be done

hey wait aren't there a bunch of miles records with crazy amounts of music smashed into one side? he loved him madly and calypso frelimo are both over 30 minutes

maybe it took almost 15 years to come out because they had to develop the technology to press it on a single slab of vinyl

hoffman boards say manilow did it

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-longest-major-label-music-lp-ever-barry-manilow-20-greatest-hits-pics-inside.186171/

but either way if the engineer says its 2 LPs I'll trust him

Track listing for Get Up With It

All compositions by Miles Davis.

Side one

"He Loved Him Madly" (1974) –32:05

Side two

"Maiysha" (1974) –14:49
"Honky Tonk" (1970) –5:54
"Rated X" (1972) –6:49

Side three

"Calypso Frelimo" (1973) –32:10

Side four

"Red China Blues" (1972) –4:10
"Mtume" (1974) –15:12
"Billy Preston" (1972) –12:35

it's definitely possible to press it as a single LP, but 2xLP would be much, much better

Albums used to regularly contain 20-25 minutes of music per side in the late 70s and 80s. That said, the copy of Metallica's ...And Justice For All I bought in 1988 had this sticker on the front:

http://cdn.discogs.com/hYvSYje9qLSyzyA2sz4asSHSgFQ=/fit-in/600x304/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb()/discogs-images/R-521407-1329666487.jpeg.jpg

yeah those grooves need to be deep for this

aaaaaaaaaaaaaand that metallica record still sounds like shit

30 minutes on a side is gonna sound like garbage, is the thing

especially for music this dense

http://www.vinylrecorder.com/time.html

(high volume, deep groove, much bass) : 12": 4 minutes
this is the order of the day here people

30 minutes on a side is gonna sound like garbage, is the thing

especially for music this dense

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, December 17, 2014 3:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh yea i'm not saying it's optimal. just that it is possible and there are many examples of major releases doing this

who can forget the deep bass-heavy groove on that metallica record

groovy lars

mixing that record out of spite is still one of the great stupid rock n' roll moves of all time

can't believe q-tip didn't have a hand in the production of sugah daddy, that beat has him all over it

if the vinyl is actually mastered from a HD digital mix via the original audio tapes it might be one of the very few times buying the vinyl edition of a contemporary album will actually be worthwhile. but chances are you aren't going to hear anything you don't hear on the CDs, except for some degree of needle static and added reverberations of course (the amount depending on your system).

that And Justice For All sticker is great. odd that metallica of all folks (or their record company I guess) would be audiophiles.

http://i.imgur.com/EgL338s.png

finn26 not OTM

"except for some degree of needle static"

lucky for everyone who has the cd (like me - and this album sounds so much better on cd than mp3), they put some static at the side of what would be 'side 2' already (i hate that actually, its a bit corny, and a touch TOO retro-fetishy for me).

not to keep banging on about it, but this album REALLY needs to start with 1000 deaths. it works so much better that way. no idea why it isnt the starter.

Absolutely. It sets up the whole record.

secretly hoping dangelo realises the error of his ways for the vinyl pressing.

as i said, until yesterday that was how the album began for me, and it really, really works like that

Ben Kane @kanevibrations · 1h 1 hour ago
Sugah: James Gadson (one of the funkiest humans) is playing the KICK and tapping his LAP on this song. Funky as hell even on the lap.

Idg why people are so down on "Ain't That Easy".

Wow xp

I played this for my guitar teacher yesterday and he all but welled up with awe at the degree of musicianship and groove. I think his point of comparison was the way some of the jazz genius giants would throw in weird versions of chords and phrases just to throw people off, this album does with rhythm. He also noted of little there seemed to be of D'Angelo's single voice, vs. the wall of warbling.

The guitar work on Really Love (I think that's it) is particularly special.

Wonder where Saadiq was in the 15 years hence? So disappointing they didn't collab on this

You should BE HERE Raphael!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCJY2NSSU1g

recording his own albums

I kind of feel like Raphael Saadiq is a super-talented guy who is never quite brilliant in the way D'Angelo is. He always paints within the lines, if that makes sense.

Raph was supposed to producing this album, they'd been working over a year together on it at one point.

http://i.imgur.com/SMjvX7N.png

if they whittled black messiah tracklist down from something like 50 songs it stands to reason that saadiq's collabs just didn't make the cut

One of the "challenges" of this corner of neo-soul is that it often sits in a sweet spot between song and groove in a manner that makes it harder to grapple with than if it drifted more firmly into either territory.

I think this post nails why I struggle with D'Angelo (and a lot of neo-soul in general) but have no problem with either older soul or more modern R&B. There's lots of individual elements I like about this album but I'm finding it difficult to get a foothold in it emotionally.

the saadiq tracks couldn't be any worse than "ain't that easy" and "1000 deaths"

u mad

WAHT xp

I kind of feel like Raphael Saadiq is a super-talented guy who is never quite brilliant in the way D'Angelo is. He always paints within the lines, if that makes sense.

― Dej & the Fommly Loaf (The Reverend),

Solo I thought so until 2011's album, which has crazy shit on it.

saddiq is musically good, lyrically pretty naff. solo that is, not with TTT. not sure what hes been up to since trying to ride the retro 60s bandwagon, post-amy winehouse. but i dont really miss him on this. hes written some good songs with dangelo, but its not like hes THAT essential. id be more interested in him making another TTT album cos i think hes kinda sucky as a solo artist.

have you heard Stone Rollin'?