yeah i'm a vinyl guy but i'm really coming around on bandcamp being the greatest thing that might have ever happened to music distribution
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
i think tapes lend a nice quality sonically to some stuff. and they're nice for a small act to have some physical product to sell so people don't feel like they're buying air.
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 17:47 (nine years ago) link
yeah i def like cassette lo-fi over fake digital lo-fi, there's a quality to it
whenever i listen to old rap on spotify it sounds weird to me because i'm so used to the cassette sound, i think things were mastered for cassette in the late 80s/early 90s too
also mentioned this the other day but this is the fosburgh/bruhn thing at the library
https://soundcloud.com/grasstopsrecording/sets/fosburgh-bruhn-live-mn-guitar
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link
btw you have a cassette out of the album right global?
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 17:49 (nine years ago) link
in less fun news:
i have developed a case of tendonitis in my right (picking arm) elbow....really bumming me out, i need to lay off playing for a couple weeks which sucks...anyone else ever dealt with this?
i know part of it is i need to learn to play with less force, but i tend to get more and more tense and forceful the harder or more challenging what i'm trying to play is....
any advice on dealing w/this would be very much appreciated.
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link
Sorry to hear that! Are you experiencing a lot of temperature fluctuation where you live this time of year?
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 18:06 (nine years ago) link
not really it's been just pretty much cold as hell (MN)
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 18:06 (nine years ago) link
Well my fiancee has joint/hand issues and the weather change can really screw with her. My only advice would be to talk to a doctor to understand your limits.
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 18:09 (nine years ago) link
Oh man, hope that clears up UMS. I don't go hard on the picking so can't speak to helping out, hope someone here has some good resources.
― grandavis, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 18:41 (nine years ago) link
yeah, bummer! was just listening to jack rose's raag manifestos last night and thinking how much of a workout he was giving his arm on some tracks. some of these dudes have got to have techniques to help w/ this.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link
I think yr supposed to be more prone to this if you anchor yr playing hand with a pinky (iirc leo kottke said this was at least partly the cause of his tendonitis) so a more classical/relaxed hand position might help
― ogmor, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 18:53 (nine years ago) link
when classical guitarists insist you should begin every session with twenty minutes of practice playing open strings in the most precise & economical way possible I can't decide whether I think it's absurd or fantastic
― ogmor, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link
What do you mean?
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 19:12 (nine years ago) link
guys! i spend at least 15 min warming up every time i practice because 1) it helps me get in the mood 2) it helps me improve speed and 3) it helps my muscles get ready. you gotta warm up and also stretch! i do neck, shoulder, finger stretches at least 3x a week, if not every day.
your body will thank you if you remember that it periodically needs your attention that's what your elbow's telling you :)
― La Lechera, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 19:24 (nine years ago) link
hope your arm feels better soon! tbh i only mentioned it because i was just talking about warmups and also i learned some useful shoulder stretches from yoga with andre http://www.decibelmagazine.com/diary/metal-yoga-with-andre-foisy-1/
― La Lechera, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 19:42 (nine years ago) link
yeah i'm not good on warming upalso i know i need to work on proper technique, sitting positions, etc
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 19:46 (nine years ago) link
(thx for the advice all and the yoga link)
you can call your first album Voice of the Elbow
― tylerw, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 19:48 (nine years ago) link
Got the Elbow (Black and) Blues
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 20:19 (nine years ago) link
I really dig this new Hush Arbors material. Keith just posted this on facebook. Streched out 30min long tune at Quiet Music Festival, Oct 2014.
http://vimeo.com/112521535
― Neal Cassady, Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:40 (nine years ago) link
Well truth be told I don't know how new this stuff is, but his previous albums didn't this type of guitar playing if I'm remembering correctly, was mostly upbeat singing folk rock?
― Neal Cassady, Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, the Hush Arbors album posted a little bit up in the thread is also more in this vein, and pretty nice overall. Once Keith gets going on this one it is pretty cool, a good direction for him.
― grandavis, Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:03 (nine years ago) link
Didn't know Zeppelin pilfered Fahey (maybe):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YnsCMHDRP0
Then again Sunflower River Blues is like one of those songs that seems like it wrote itself or always existed. But I'd wager Page and co knew of Fahey!
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:17 (nine years ago) link
Ahah yes, I've been wanting to find something like this because I remember playing guitar a long time ago around like the friends of my friends' friends, party night whatever, someone goes 'hey nice man, led zeppelin' and I was very confused, never knew what he was talking about.
― Neal Cassady, Thursday, 4 December 2014 22:53 (nine years ago) link
Good lord though, that guitar is right on the dot.
― Neal Cassady, Thursday, 4 December 2014 22:54 (nine years ago) link
heh heh, yeah. is he playing 12 string there though? was just listening to the yardbirds' "white summer" -- I guess a guy who borrows heavily from davey graham is just a few steps away from borrowing from fahey.
― tylerw, Thursday, 4 December 2014 23:02 (nine years ago) link
& borrowing from bert jansch
they were tight bros. with fairport convention too, so i can't imagine page & plant didn't know about fahey and american primitive stuff
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 December 2014 23:05 (nine years ago) link
i actually think about zep a lot in regards to all this stuff, that was really the only band that ever really surfaced any of the UK progressive folk type stuff into the mainstream and i think made me more ready for stuff like fahey etc
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 December 2014 23:07 (nine years ago) link
xp and fahey played with dudes from SPIRIT on the yellow princess... holy shit, the page conspiracy deepens... we're through the looking glass people!
― tylerw, Thursday, 4 December 2014 23:08 (nine years ago) link
actually was the Spirit dude the bassist? Because the bassist for Spirit was in the original lineup of Canned Heat, which Fahey helped to form and was tight bros. with Bob Hite and Al Wilson...
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 December 2014 23:10 (nine years ago) link
wtf I did not know that
― sleeve, Thursday, 4 December 2014 23:14 (nine years ago) link
(i should say helped to form in that i believe he introduced hite and wilson and said they would be good together, not that he was in canned heat)
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 December 2014 23:15 (nine years ago) link
still!
― sleeve, Friday, 5 December 2014 00:02 (nine years ago) link
he was also apparently friends w/linda rondstadt (according to hoskyns in hotel california), fahey crossed paths w/all these ppl when he was in the folk scene while at ucla
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 December 2014 00:07 (nine years ago) link
quote from robert plant on the recording of led zep III from wikipedia:
[Bron-Yr-Aur] was a fantastic place in the middle of nowhere with no facilities at all-and it was a fantastic test of what we could do in that environment. Because by that time we'd become obsessed with change, and the great thing was that we were also able to create a pastoral side of Led Zep. Jimmy was listening to Davey Graham and Bert Jansch and was experimenting with different tunings, and I loved John Fahey. So it was a very natural place for us to go to
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Friday, 5 December 2014 00:16 (nine years ago) link
i could hear some american primitive in "going to california"
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 December 2014 00:19 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hziq6PRwKpE
^ there's also some speculation that this is the inspiration behind led zep's version of 'in my time of dying'
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Friday, 5 December 2014 00:37 (nine years ago) link
led zep certainly sound a lot closer to that than they do to the blind willie johnson or bob dylan versions afaict
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Friday, 5 December 2014 00:39 (nine years ago) link
yeah i can hear some of the same phrasing in parts, though it's different enough to be "inspired by" not "stolen" as it is sometimes w/zep
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 December 2014 00:47 (nine years ago) link
you're not talking about stu brotman? didn't know he was in spirit, but he was also in the very earliest lineup of the united states of america (same deal as with canned heat: splitting before they recorded) as well as the later version of kaleidoscope who were another zepp fave, hmmm.
and to drop some more useless trivia: bass player on the first two fahey & his orchestra lps was briefly a member of the bonzo dog band...
― no lime tangier, Friday, 5 December 2014 07:50 (nine years ago) link
whoop, checked the yellow princess credits and it's the guy who replaced brotman in canned heat playing bass on there :-/
― no lime tangier, Friday, 5 December 2014 08:34 (nine years ago) link
Wow, Led Zep/Canned Heat hitting the thread. Good info. Gotta say J. Page is always gonna have a big place in my heart as a gateway into the supremely guitar-centric part of my life.
― grandavis, Friday, 5 December 2014 14:14 (nine years ago) link
Guess today is the anniversay of Jack Rose's passing, and Bill Kellum (of the great VHF Records) posted this in memorium. Apparently it was a proposed release sent in in 2005 that Jack ended up scrapping. Bill basically describes it as an alternate "Kensington Blues (Early Version)", which is of course the stuff. Sad, but hope there are more gems like this to come in the future:
http://www.vhfrecords.com/news/2014/12/3/jack-rose-kensington-blues-early-version
― grandavis, Friday, 5 December 2014 14:17 (nine years ago) link
Xpost
I was actually talking about Mark Andes, didn't know there was such a Spirit/Canned Heat connection
Andes was also in Jo Jo Gunne
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 December 2014 14:19 (nine years ago) link
Notes on the songs:Track 1-Kensington BluesTrack 2-Cross the North ForkTrack 3-Cathedrals et ChartresTrack 4-Ever since I’ve been a man full grownTrack 5-Cathedral et Chartres IITrack 6-Calais to DoverTrack 7-Sunflower River BluesTrack 8-Dark was the nightTracks one through six is the proposed cd. I explained in the email how I felt about using “ever since.” Also tracks 4 and 5 are from VPRO, so that means paying them for licensing rights. If we go the ep/45 route: tracks 2, 3, and 6 would be one ep, track 1 and 8 would towards the other ep along with 4 or 5 songs I have written and would be recorded in the next couple of months (DR Ragtime 12”), track 7 with another fahey track would be the 45. Anyway enjoy the cd.Best,Jack
Track 1-Kensington BluesTrack 2-Cross the North ForkTrack 3-Cathedrals et ChartresTrack 4-Ever since I’ve been a man full grownTrack 5-Cathedral et Chartres IITrack 6-Calais to DoverTrack 7-Sunflower River BluesTrack 8-Dark was the night
Tracks one through six is the proposed cd. I explained in the email how I felt about using “ever since.” Also tracks 4 and 5 are from VPRO, so that means paying them for licensing rights. If we go the ep/45 route: tracks 2, 3, and 6 would be one ep, track 1 and 8 would towards the other ep along with 4 or 5 songs I have written and would be recorded in the next couple of months (DR Ragtime 12”), track 7 with another fahey track would be the 45. Anyway enjoy the cd.
Best,Jack
Interesting process notes. What does he mean by needing VPRO licensing for "Since I've Been a Man Full Grown"? "Cathedral et Chartres II" seems to be based on Basho's "Cathedrals Et Fleur De Lis", certainly. But what is "Since I've Been a Man Full Grown" based on, I had always thought that was an original. Not fully familiar with all of Basho so perhaps it is a reworking of his material for the lap steel, that's my only guess.
― Neal Cassady, Friday, 5 December 2014 16:10 (nine years ago) link
Right when I submitted my post I realized that tracks 4 and 5 are live recordings.
I need to think things through sometimes, oof.
― Neal Cassady, Friday, 5 December 2014 16:11 (nine years ago) link
yeah vpro is ... dutch radio, i think? you can get those sessions (and a whole lot more unreleased rose) over yonder: http://delta-slider.blogspot.com/2010/12/big-post-of-jack-rose-bootlegs.html
― tylerw, Friday, 5 December 2014 16:15 (nine years ago) link
or at least *a* vpro session, maybe not the one he's referring to?
― tylerw, Friday, 5 December 2014 16:17 (nine years ago) link
xposts: ah right, spinning the yellow princess in penance. wondering if fahey's presence on canned heat's living the blues album makes it worth investigating? have always been scared off by the 40 minute boogie on the second lp.
& re the talk up there about the red krayola/fahey album, think it's in the liners to the live 1967 release that mentions one of their managers absconded with the tapes, so i guess it's not out of the realms of possibility that they turn up again...
― no lime tangier, Friday, 5 December 2014 16:29 (nine years ago) link
man, Fahey really got around in the sixties, didn't he? fascinated by all of this.
― sleeve, Friday, 5 December 2014 16:42 (nine years ago) link