even if that did matter, do you really think Grohl is "mainly associated" with his shitty guitar+vocals and not his drumming in Nirvana?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:15 (nine years ago) link
I'm saying he didn't really "switch" he just started also playing organ, it wasn't a collins or grohl type thing where their primary band role completely changed.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:15 (nine years ago) link
I think for a lot of people the image of Grohl that comes to mind first would be frontman of foo fighters, yeah.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:16 (nine years ago) link
I'm saying he didn't really "switch" he just started also playing organ
ok fine
don't agree about Grohl but whatever
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link
Father John Misty
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:18 (nine years ago) link
you're overestimating the shitty younger generation
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:18 (nine years ago) link
Dennis Wilson
John Cale
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link
ven if that did matter, do you really think Grohl is "mainly associated" with his shitty guitar+vocals and not his drumming in Nirvana?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, November 19, 2014 5:15 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what planet do you live on
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:21 (nine years ago) link
Bill Clinton
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:21 (nine years ago) link
the planet where Nirvana is one of the biggest bands of all time and the Foo Fighters are that shitty band that happened afterwards
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:22 (nine years ago) link
me too, mate
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:22 (nine years ago) link
that's not a planet it's an age
― maybes bakin' maybes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:22 (nine years ago) link
Age Planet
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:24 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις,
You slipped from sales to aesthetic judgment here
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:25 (nine years ago) link
I mean if you don't pay attention then say so but Foo are huge for anyone who came of age 1997-2004.
have they sold more records than Nirvana?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:45 (nine years ago) link
Shakey ishttp://iv1.lisimg.com/image/1564715/600full-flight-of-the-navigator-screenshot.jpg
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:55 (nine years ago) link
really wanted to post "mainly associated with singing, mainly associated with drumming, let's just agree he's mainly ass" but i've been disrespectful enough today
― da croupier, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:56 (nine years ago) link
grant hart would be relevant point of comparison for grohl, except sounding a bit like husker du never really brought him any great success
― john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:57 (nine years ago) link
afaict Foo Fighters have not actually sold more records than Nirvana
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:03 (nine years ago) link
that'll show all the nobody who argued otherwise
― da croupier, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:03 (nine years ago) link
I would think there would be some connection between record sales and the band DG is "mainly associated" with but agree this whole tangent is stupid
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:05 (nine years ago) link
I feel dumb pointing this out but dave grohl wasn't the front guy in nirvana and that might affect people's perception of what his main deal is
― john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:11 (nine years ago) link
the error in that logic is the idea that if more people have an album you drum on than an album you sing on, more people know you as a drummer than as a singer. if you spend 20 years fronting a platinum-gold level band after drumming for a multi-platinum band for 3, just saying the earlier band sold more ignores the fact of how long you've been in bigger light and for what.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:16 (nine years ago) link
xpost
He only played on two of the Nirvana albums btw.
― everything, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:21 (nine years ago) link
giant derp @ just-woken-up me re Deal, sorry Jo Wiggs still ♥ u boo, Ladies Who Lunch 4eva
― the incredible string gland (sic), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:22 (nine years ago) link
It just seems pretty obvious to me that what MC meant was artists who go from being widely known as the instrument x player of a band to being widely known as the instrument/role y guy of a different band, and I don't think there are tons of examples of that.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:22 (nine years ago) link
xxxp yeah but people don't know drummers
also, what instrument is phil collins supposed to be known for? his voice? (or synthesizers??) i feel like, ignoring what singers think of themselves (their special and unique talents etc), for musicians playing an instrument and also being able to sing competently should not really be counted as, like, an exception.
also
Lloyd Ryan recalled: "Phil always had a problem with reading. That was always a big problem for him. That’s a shame because reading drum music isn’t that difficult."
― j., Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:23 (nine years ago) link
http://www.toughpigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/trailer11.jpg?9d7bd4
― everything, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:28 (nine years ago) link
http://www.nme.com/images/gallery/LemmyKitKatAdGb040412.jpg
― everything, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:30 (nine years ago) link
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltqr9p3w7J1r1np10o1_500.jpg
― everything, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:34 (nine years ago) link
this:has any other musician switched instruments mid-career like DG?
is a much, much broader category than this:
artists who go from being widely known as the instrument x player of a band to being widely known as the instrument/role y guy of a different band
which are two v v different things
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:42 (nine years ago) link
cuz there are tons of musicians that switch instruments mid-career - the main difference is there are not a ton of musicians who are "like DG" in the sense of being widely known as instrument x player of any band
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link
Fatboy Slim
― ILoveMeconium (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:07 (nine years ago) link
John Maclean
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:08 (nine years ago) link
Don Henley
― everything, Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:24 (nine years ago) link
Bruce Willis
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:24 (nine years ago) link
Christopher Guest
― everything, Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:27 (nine years ago) link
hey guys, didn't mean to stir up confusion...
i was asking about
"artists who go from being widely known as the instrument x player of a band to being widely known as the instrument/role y guy of a different band"
...because as someone pointed out, just playing more than one instrument is not that uncommon.....
probably could have worded it better, but just a quick post spurred by idle curiosity....
also, great shot of lemmy.....
― m0stlyClean, Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:32 (nine years ago) link
this thread made me go back and listen to Big Me, which i regret
― a total laugh package (s.clover), Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:48 (nine years ago) link
grant hart would be relevant point of comparison for grohl, except sounding a bit like husker du never really brought him any great success― john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:57 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Except Grant was a main songwriter and sang in Husker Du
― i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 November 2014 18:06 (nine years ago) link
so... are we all pretending that deej's Chief Keef review never happened or did no one else see it
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:55 (nine years ago) link
for reference: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/20027-chief-keef-gucci-mane-back-from-the-dead-2big-gucci-sosa/
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:56 (nine years ago) link
idk if anyone thought it was bad???
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:59 (nine years ago) link
I find Deej's tireless efforts to cast Keef as anything more than a nihilistic moron p baffling but it's not like the piece is badly written/constructed. Deej is a good writer who knows what he's doing
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:02 (nine years ago) link
I don't see how anyone could read the sentence He plays his own narrative close to the vest, letting his story loom below his elliptical rhymes like ice cubes in a glass and not notice that it is saying the exact opposite of what it's supposed to say, for starters.
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:03 (nine years ago) link
people who like keef are v dedicated to defending him on what are occasionally shaky grounds, but that particular review is overall solidly written minus the overcooked sentence here and there (and who, among people who professionally or as amateurs write about music, hasn't written one of those?)
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:10 (nine years ago) link
I must be missing something cuz that sentence parses correctly to me - close-to-the-vest and keeping things below the surface are related metaphors.
idk why I'm defending this, I find Keef unlistenable
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:10 (nine years ago) link