an attempt at a general "What are you currently digging re. classical music" thread

what is the best way in to bruckner? i keep trying with this guy and it basically just puts me to sleep every time, so if anyone has any suggestions regarding specific pieces or performances or elements to pay attention to or even just ideal listening conditions, then i'm all ears

last one i tried was celibidache conducting symphony no. 3 fwiw

i dont have an answer to your question my liege, but i did want to ask if anybody here had checked out the laurence crane release from a few months ago. almost unbearably... modern at times but i do feel it hits it out of the park in terms of pure beautiful irreverent tonality

http://www.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=Vf2BQtMQNgs

just my $0.02

i got into bruckner thru obsessive listening to the 8th and 7th syms. (gunther wand conducting); no special conditions, just headphones and no distractions.

I heard a bunch of bruckner choral music at a concert a few years back and got really into that stuff for a short while, then burned out on it. It's a little too hollywood angelic choir for me at times, but it has its surprises.

I was gonna say I only know Bruckner for his choral music but "Locus iste" and "Os justi meditabitur" are gorgeous

Yeah those are v pretty

^ i like to stagger those w/ some bach motets

my man

btw if anyone is interested in a Spotify playlist made up of many of my favorite pieces of choral music, check here:

http://open.spotify.com/user/djperry1973/playlist/6bWnlWmCk45LxCffWeTSpR

Absolutely!

first Bruckner to click for me was the Fifth. But I would recommend the Ninth for starters. It's unfinished (three movements complete, finale unfinished and usually omitted) so the length is less intimidating, and it is super urgent and immediate, with the most face-stomping of his many face-stomping landler movements.

bruckner is just amazing. it's a cliche about his music but listening to him as a composer-organist synthesizing bach's horizontal harmony with wagner's vertical harmony and architectonics his music begins to make sense (ime anyway)

It's a good cliche. Also to think of it being made of terraced slabs each slab being of a particular affect, like in baroque music.

thanks for the recommendations. have got kurt mazur bringing the ruckus to symphony no 7 lined up for later. gonna see if headphones get me inside that wall of sound

that masur/bruckner joint was plain garbage btw and gone straight into the get-rid-of pile. sound quality was nonsense, just this interminable blaring stream of sound - sometimes quieter, sometimes louder - but impossible to follow any sort of logic as to why. found a rosbaud recording of the same piece and at least I could differentiate the instruments on that, though I'm still kind of perplexed by it tbh. and then yesterday i got old bertie von k belting out symphony no 4 and wow, a penny has dropped - this is something else entirely. fearsome fucking wall-shaking brass on that thing, and a good level of tension in some of the quieter interludes too, completely exhilarating stuff

IMO:

Sym 7 - steinberg
Sym 4 - Klemperer

I just finished my replays of Havergal Brian's Gothic symphony and it's precisely the sort of monster I was looking for in this thread.
It's the Hyperion label, BBC proms Martyn Brabbins performance, over 800 people in the orchestra! It's a notoriously difficult symphony to pull off.
Over 1 hour and 45 minutes of incredible visions, sometimes there's so much choral stuff going on its hard to take it all in. Monumental.
At first I was disappointed it wasn't all that dark for most of the duration because there's so much heavenly brightness from the singers and even odd whimsical bits. But it's totally amazing.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 12 November 2014

From my Epic Grandeur thread.

Link to thred?

Most EPIC GRANDEUR music of all time!

that sounds pretty crazy! only havergal brian i have are symphonies 6 & 16 which have both got some good doomy passages in them

I only discovered Brian and his Gothic symphony because I caught a bit of Curse Of The Gothic Symphony on Sky Arts. I'd like to see the whole thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfVg9vn4jCc

I don't know much about classical music but it's weird that this piece can be done with 600 or 800 people. I'm glad I got the bigger performance version.

I'm also a bit sceptical that this is the biggest or most difficult symphony there is.

guessing that mahlers 8th has been performed by the titular 1000 at some stage?

Currently digging Beethoven's early string quartets, specifically the six that make up Opus 18.

I know it's the late ones that are supposed to be the real hot potatoes, but they're as yet a bit too impenetrable for a novice like myself.

all the beethoven SQs are brilliant. esp love the rasumovsky quartets and the "serioso" and "harp" (which seem of a pair to me)

Early beethoven quartets and sonatas are amazing, no qualifiers.

Just watched Ken Russell's ABC Of British Music on youtube, it's all over the place but there were quite a few things that really impressed me.
He lists loads of neglected and forgotten composers and he makes a long list of music critics he hates.

Of the neglected composers, Elizabeth Maconchy stuck out the most.
I was pleased he liked Havergal Brian so much.

He gives a preview of Thomas Dolby playing music for Russell's Gothic, which sounded way better than I remembered.

A real standout was Nigel Kennedy performing part of his collaboration with David Heath. It has mixtures of electronic and rock. I looked for the track on youtube and David Heath has uploaded that whole album, but in a new mix that the record company wasn't interested in reissuing(he was unhappy with his original mix). Great stuff.

But the thing that really bowled me over was a clip of Cornelius Cardew. Wow! If only I can find that piece easily enough. I hope.

Here's a long but incomplete list of the things covered in the documentary.
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/tv/id/1025804/synopsis.html

Along with his freakout Liszt and Tchaikovsky movies, Russell made biopics of Debussy and Delius, both of whom are all time top 10 composers for me.

I haven't heard Dolby's Gothic score in decades. I remember being disappointed; I was a massive t dolb fan then.

must remember to rewatch the mahler biopic sometime soon. the devils dvd has some fascinating extras with film of maxwell davies recording the soundtrack.

That documentary shows parts of his Delius film.

Since Sorabji gave the premiere in Glasgow in 1930, there have been just eight further performances of Opus Clavicembalisticum, or OC as it is, apparently, affectionately known. Now there has been a ninth, for Jonathan Powell has spent the past six months getting to grips with this monstrous piece and presented the results at the Purcell Room. The concert lasted five hours, with just one interval. While it would be good to report that it was a worthwhile experience, in which Powell's extraordinary powers of stamina, concentration and technique were properly rewarded, that, sadly, would not be true.

The programme, at least, provided plenty to while away the hours, with tributes to Sorabji from his admirers and a descriptive analysis of OC by the composer Ronald Stevenson, which never used one overheated metaphor when six could be crammed into the same sentence. The cadenzas in OC, you'll be pleased to know, "set off the architectonic counterpoint of the fugues and may be likened to the rose-quartz Aravuli mountains that rise behind the Temple of Ranpur". Such rubbish does Sorabji no favours, but then his empty-headed note- spinning can only be described in hyperbolic terms. Why a fine musician like Powell is bothering with it I cannot imagine.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2003/sep/18/classicalmusicandopera

Knut Nystedt has died, 99 years old. :( I think I've sung this with three different choirs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5I4UQV0Ka0

Gerald Nedarc
1 week ago

When we look to our history of violence and cold acts against humanity through the ages we must also note some of the godly creations, such as this Pachelbel Cannon in D minor as a buffer zone to allow us to be proud of our human heritage. Follow the ten commandments and listen to music like this and you can rise above the carnage of human greed and depravity.

HB Beethoven, my buddy at all times. You are even now a living human IMO.

this thread, or an earlier incarnation of it, got me into Scriabin a few years back and he became one of my favorites for piano -- but I didn't pay much attention to any of his orchestral music until I got the 1st symphony on a disc where it was paired with a vocal piece by Rachmaninov. I bought that CD for the Rocky but ended up playing it enough to really grow fond of the Scriabin symphony so now I'm digging into his orchestral stuff -- tonight, Symphony No. 3, USSR State TV and Radio Orchestra under Evgeny Svetlanov with Sviatoslav Richter on piano

Yeah I've v much neglected Scriabin orchestral in favor of piano stuff too. I shouldn't do that because I generally chime pretty strongly with late-romantic mystical gigantism-- e.g. I just started getting into Respighi who is shamelessly over the top and totally fucking rules.

The Poem of Ecstasy is a great piece, but i don't know too much outside of that

the final movement of scriabin's 2nd symphony is hilariously overwrought -- sounds like the anthem for some fascist regime.

poem of ecstasy is all-time, so is prometheus

a nice little gem is the "reverie" for orch. (only ~5 mins long)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Izcel5-z4

what do you all think of this piano sonata?

http://expirebox.com/download/363688c72277613ac55281c4e013eb7b.html

schubert - complete piano trios (beaux arts, grumiaux trios) [philips]

d. 898 is astounding

D929 for me. Amazes me every time.

Speaking of piano trios, right now argerich and co. are blowing me away in the serge rach trio elegiaque. Never heard this piece before. Not sure what it's like in a non-mind-blowing performance. Yow.

i think i may finally get into rachmaninoff in the new year. same with tchaikovsky and rimsky-korsakov and borodin. in my neotenic modernist crusader phase i instantly shunned anything that appeared merely virtuosic (and basically all romantic/late-romantic composers who weren't german or austrian).

Dude I am so into warhorses now. I can't tell you how happy the motherfucking Polovtsian Dances make me.

WKCR Bachfest innit. One day left.

It's making me very happy that the DJ is referring to each piece only by its BWV number.

i remember those before i remember key sigs

Me too

I don't remember key sigs for ANYTHING tbh. Except the b minor mass and liszt sonata lol