watching Adventure Time with his kid iirc
― sleeve, Friday, 14 November 2014 15:33 (nine years ago) link
as i never had beef with the 80s mixes, you can call me moe tucker cuz iiiiim sticking with VUhaw yeah, i never really thought of them as too 80s, though these new mixes are throwing that aspect of them into relief. not gonna get rid of VU or Another View, they're both great.
― tylerw, Friday, 14 November 2014 23:29 (nine years ago) link
more odd writing about this set -- does anyone actually refer to this album as "Third"? http://www.theartsdesk.com/new-music/reissue-cds-weekly-velvet-underground
― tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:23 (nine years ago) link
I refer to it as Brother Lovers...
― Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 17 November 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link
maybe i'm just trainspotty about this album, but man, why does every article about it just have flat-out wrong info?
― tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:27 (nine years ago) link
I've always called it "the third album". But not just "Third".
― a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Monday, 17 November 2014 23:39 (nine years ago) link
yeah! oh well, it's not the end of the world. definitely one of the top 10 tragedies of all time though.
― tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:40 (nine years ago) link
Third album or self-titled but I've never heard it called Third. It isn't Big Star.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link
EZ, it's on you to get absolutely nothing wrong in your review of this set. we're watching you!
― tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:44 (nine years ago) link
I'll give no factual information whatsoever so I can't get it wrong.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:51 (nine years ago) link
maybe you can just do an interpretive painting or dance...
― tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:58 (nine years ago) link
Mime.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 00:05 (nine years ago) link
"boy, this velvet underground album recorded sometime in the 1960s sure is good!"
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 02:41 (nine years ago) link
"After hearing this record, you'll want to start your own band!"
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 02:43 (nine years ago) link
more odd writing about this set -- does anyone actually refer to this album as "Third"? http://www.theartsdesk.com/new-music/reissue-cds-weekly-velvet-underground― tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:23 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:23 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Some time back, University Challenge, music round...
Paxman: "You're going to hear some introduction music to bands' debut albums, I want the title of the album.
(some twinkly keyboard notes, fade..)Student: "um, Is it the Velvet Underground?"Paxman: "No, that's their third album, that was "The Velvet Underground and Nico"
(true story)
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 12:16 (nine years ago) link
Nice little Doug Yule interview where both he and the interviewer refer to it as "The Grey Album" which I've never heard before, either.
http://noisey.vice.com/blog/the-velvet-underground-reissue-doug-yule-lou-reed-photos-live-footage
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 17:58 (nine years ago) link
What is your relationship with the stuff that’s on there now? I know from previous interviews you have a sort of ambivalent relationship with rock n’ roll. Ambivalent?Maybe I read into it wrong. I am only going by old interviews. What’s your relationship to the lost album now? Is it something you wish had been released?What lost album do you mean?Well, the one that is referred to as that. I know you refer to it as just demos. Is that the last word now?That was the intent going on at the time. You’re talking about the stuff that was recorded at MGM?Yes!
Maybe I read into it wrong. I am only going by old interviews. What’s your relationship to the lost album now? Is it something you wish had been released?What lost album do you mean?
Well, the one that is referred to as that. I know you refer to it as just demos. Is that the last word now?That was the intent going on at the time. You’re talking about the stuff that was recorded at MGM?
Yes!
I will never understand why Vice don't edit down their interviews. There's some great material there, but we didn't need to read the above interaction. Bonkers...
― you fuck one chud... (stevie), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:11 (nine years ago) link
see also "while not losing site of...", ouch
― sleeve, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:13 (nine years ago) link
heh, yeah, some good stuff in that interview for sure, but also some very unnecessary stuff. good to hear from dougie yule, though!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:48 (nine years ago) link
Did you see his response to "I hate music" Tanya?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link
New mix of live "Sweet Jane":
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/velvet-underground-early-version-sweet-jane-20141120
(I think this is the same performance as on 1969 Live, but not 100% certain)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:46 (nine years ago) link
where is the ibiza remix?
― I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:53 (nine years ago) link
xp same performance, but the mix is definitely much improved...
― tylerw, Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:54 (nine years ago) link
well, different, anyway -- i love Live 69 so much it's hard to say anything "improves" it...
― tylerw, Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
surely some balearic drums and a guest rap verse would improve it?
― I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:56 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, I mean, I never thought of the sound on 1969 Live as something that particularly needed to be improved (except for the dubbed-from-vinyl tracks on the CD), but...I dunno, this sounds great and everything, but the original mix seems more intimate.
(I also love how that album is sequenced: he says "good night" after side 1!)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 20 November 2014 21:06 (nine years ago) link
Listening to the new live stuff now. I'd heard the Matrix samples so had a sense of how clean they were, but hearing the full songs is just kind of unreal. They sound so good, it's hard to believe they aren't some recent production. I don't think I ever thought I'd listen to Heroin again with anything like fresh ears, but the version here is amazing...probably better than the album version. Expectations greatly exceeded. I'm sorry, but this just destroys 1969 Live.
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 20:44 (nine years ago) link
so excited for this, I will be buying it next week
― sleeve, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 15:44 (nine years ago) link
listened to the "highlights" disc of the matrix recordings last night -- oh man, so great. basically my favorite music ever.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 15:48 (nine years ago) link
and hey, here's EZ's review -- he didn't get anything wrong!http://www.popmatters.com/review/188481-the-velvet-underground-the-velvet-underground-45th-anniversary-super/
― tylerw, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link
Wellp, mine's just arrived.
― Mark G, Thursday, 27 November 2014 17:46 (nine years ago) link
.. and you know that little bit of guitar that's on the VU album but not any CD edition of "Foggy Notion" ?
It's Longer! From the slate to the end of the track!
― Mark G, Friday, 28 November 2014 15:14 (nine years ago) link
Anyone seen this footage shot at the Boston Tea Party in 1967 (by Warhol no less )before?
― Letsby Avenue (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link
yeah it floated around in trainspotter circles earlier this year. definitely fun to see, but also very frustrating.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:42 (nine years ago) link
trainspotting:
You would think Fricke would get the name of Lou's first single right, but no it is NOT "Leave Her to Me"
http://www.discogs.com/Jades-Leave-Her-For-Me-So-Blue/release/1256244
/trainspotting
― some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Monday, 15 December 2014 05:24 (nine years ago) link
what the fricke! i don't even hate david fricke, but it seems like he should just call it quits on writing VU liners at this point. hasn't he said all he can say? would prefer if they got someone interesting to write about the third record ... luc sante or somebody?
― tylerw, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:20 (nine years ago) link
You should have done it!
― Root It Oot (Tom D.), Monday, 15 December 2014 15:23 (nine years ago) link
Then again, curse of the sub-ed and all that...
― Mark G, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link
fricke's liner notes for peel slowly and see were revelatory for me as a young'un...
― Nixon head is essential. (stevie), Monday, 15 December 2014 15:40 (nine years ago) link
put me in coach! i've been vu trainspotting for 20+ years now...
― tylerw, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:42 (nine years ago) link
yeah, i think those PSAS notes are good
fwiw the liner notes are good, it was just that one little thing and it's right at the beginning and it jumped out at me.
the photos and gig flyers are amazing. haven't actually listened to the Matrix CDs yet, just got it yesterday.
― some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Monday, 15 December 2014 15:46 (nine years ago) link
This 6CD thing is a revelation. I mean, all the live Matrix stuff is amazing enough, mixed crystal clear, after decades of dodgy audience recordings this is like thunder from the heavens. Complaints about the incomplete nature of this set are legit (I think there were four nights taped?), and I am resigned to all of it coming out in five years, but whatever. I just wish there was more banter besides the instant-classic intro to "I Can't Stand It" - I may have missed something my first time through, though.
On top of all that glorious live material, the individual mixing decisions on the 1969 sessions disc seem very well thought out. Guitars sound so good on the new mix of "One Of These Days', all kinds of cool things I'd never noticed. second guitar seems much more prominent on the new mix of "Lisa Says" as well. Pretty much everything sounds better than/as good as the VU/Another View versions - I think the ones that have new mixes were never properly mixed down in the first place, as opposed to the ones w/original mix acetates? It's so confusing. The new mix of "Coney Island" in particular has much better vocals w/o the effects, you can practically see a young Jonathan Richman taking notes. The original mixes suit "I'm Sticking With You" and "She's My Best Friend", the new mix of "I Can't Stand It" really brings out the guitars again, fuck this whole disc is like a new listening experience!
― some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 04:41 (nine years ago) link
GIVE ME ALL THE MATRIX TAPES NOW YOU MONSTERS
― tylerw, Thursday, 22 January 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
fwiw a single-disc edit is now on Spotify
― the top 40 is just the sound of autotuned crying (sleeve), Thursday, 22 January 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
ha yeah, i've got the two discs, i just mean, release every second of these things. anyway, i like the new VU mixes for the most part EXCEPT Ride Into The Sun -- what is going on there? bass sounds out of whack for most of the beginning, kinda messes up the whole experience for me. i guess it's cool hearing a new mix, but it is definitely not my preferred version.
― tylerw, Thursday, 22 January 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link
The only new VU mix that I think misses the mark is "Lisa Says." The reverb on the 1985 mix was so perfect, and reinforced a certain quality that it shared with the Pretenders' version of "Thin Line Between Love and Hate." The new mix sounds claustrophobic and insular.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 January 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
hmm will have to listen back to the VU Lisa Says mix...as long as we're picking nits, the sequencing on both the 1969 sessions disc and the matrix discs could be better...
― tylerw, Thursday, 22 January 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link
A listing is up for the Matrix tapes as a 4-CD set to be released on Oct 30. http://www.amazon.com/Matrix-Tapes-4-CD/dp/B014WIZP96/This Amazon listing looks curiously bare, though. No details at all. Despite mountains of talk at Steve Hoffman, I really wonder whether this is happening... or if it's a boot... or....http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-velvet-underground-the-matrix-tapes-4cd-box-set.461616/
― hardcore dilettante, Sunday, 6 September 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
Well, remember when Amazon listed My Bloody Valentine boxed set
― Mark G, Sunday, 6 September 2015 22:05 (nine years ago) link