amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0SnpN_O00

hunangarage, Sunday, 2 November 2014 16:55 (eleven years ago)

Can we have an ilx-wide moratorium on dudes telling women they're smart enough to know better

Can we have an ilx-wide moratorium on white people telling black people what they can and cannot say

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Sunday, 2 November 2014 17:00 (eleven years ago)

can we have an ILX moratorium

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 2 November 2014 17:13 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htsSY-nh6QM

Greer, Sunday, 2 November 2014 17:20 (eleven years ago)

Can we have an ilx-wide moratorium on dudes people telling women other people they're smart enough to know better

I dunno. (amateurist), Sunday, 2 November 2014 17:33 (eleven years ago)

if we did that the site might as well be shuttered.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 2 November 2014 17:39 (eleven years ago)

Mind you, I'm not saying that would be a bad thing.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 2 November 2014 17:39 (eleven years ago)

Oh EZ comere u big lug I'm gonna give you am ilx hug

There Goes Ryan's Scion (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 2 November 2014 17:57 (eleven years ago)

<3

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 2 November 2014 18:44 (eleven years ago)

I wish u cuddles

There Goes Ryan's Scion (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 2 November 2014 18:46 (eleven years ago)

four weeks pass...

girl otm

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 December 2014 15:01 (eleven years ago)

Neil Gaiman She loved sitting next to Amanda Palmer. Was much less happy when I sat down on the other side.

put your money where the maracas are (how's life), Monday, 1 December 2014 15:03 (eleven years ago)

learn from the master, neil

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2mSU6dCEAAKABH.jpg:large

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 December 2014 15:05 (eleven years ago)

Sloth in a box is the only thing of Gaiman's I've ever cared about. GIMME!

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 December 2014 19:36 (eleven years ago)

I like her boots! I think her hair is the same color as mine atm.

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Monday, 1 December 2014 22:43 (eleven years ago)

http://inthesetimes.com/article/17438/amanda_palmer_the_most_hated_woman_on_the_internet

sady doyle review of book (audiobook)

Half of Palmer’s reputation as a woman who spends her day literally screaming for your attention could be fixed with some decent copy editing. But, most of all: Palmer has been portrayed so consistently as a human black hole, a sucking moral and intellectual void from which no shred of human worth can emanate, that it’s probably necessary, in some way, to be confronted with the actual sound of her voice. To hear her, to get the inflections and breaths and emotional subtext, so that you can stop reacting to “Amanda Palmer,” and start listening to a person.

Amanda Palmer, as it turns out, is arguing for the right to make very specific, potentially alienating records that some people love, rather than making very broad, very safe albums that everybody likes. This point is correct, necessary and important. Musicians should be making it. The problem is that the person making it is Amanda Palmer.

On one level, this is pure guilt trip: All of this happened to me, and you still held me accountable for my words and actions, you monsters. Throughout the book, Palmer steadfastly refuses to admit having done anything wrong; indeed, in a twist that I can’t avoid reading as manipulative, she refuses to talk about the “disabled feminists” controversy, but tells several lengthy stories about how nice she was to a particular fan who had a disability.

Yet the facts are what they are: I disliked Amanda Palmer because she was careless with her power and that carelessness resulted in someone getting harassed and told to “fucking die.” But I was part of building the media consensus against Amanda Palmer, which made hating her both common and acceptable. And at the end of that process, Amanda Palmer got abuse and death threats. Careless use of power cuts both ways, as it turns out.

j., Thursday, 11 December 2014 16:04 (eleven years ago)

whoops, thought it would be evident, that's more than one blockquote, from difft parts, they got run together

j., Thursday, 11 December 2014 16:05 (eleven years ago)

is arguing for the right to make very specific, potentially alienating records

But see, she really doesn't make or release that much music. She personally is the one who is alienating or whatever, not her songs, which are fine. As a songwriter and performer, I really don't have a huge problem with Palmer. It's everything else that raises hackles.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 December 2014 16:15 (eleven years ago)

eh, her music is transgressive for a considerable segment of the population who are particularly unimaginative but not to anyone who posts regularly to the internet anywhere but facebook or #gamergate

a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 11 December 2014 16:27 (eleven years ago)

Really? What about her last album was particularly transgressive? Sounded pretty standard issue to me at the time.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 December 2014 16:28 (eleven years ago)

well she covers LDR's video games which is offensive to all sorts of people
and there's this which is her anthem. I watched a huge crowd of heavily pierced "FUCK YOUR RULES" types singing rapturously along to it this summer. you'd have to be exceptionally uptight for this to be offensive but hey, lots of people are!

Sid vicious played a four-string fender bass guitar and couldn't sing
And everybody hated him except the ones who loved him
A ukulele has four strings, but sid did did not play ukulele
He did smack and probably killed his girlfriend nancy spungen

If only sid had had a ukulele, maybe he could have been happy
Maybe he would not have suffered such a sad end
He maybe would have not done all that heroin instead
He maybe would've sat around just singing nice songs to his girlfriend

So play your favorite cover song, especially if the words are wrong
'cos even if your grades are bad, it doesn't mean you're failing
Do your homework with a fork
And eat your fruit loops in the dark
And bring your etch-a-sketch to work
And play your ukulele

Ukulele small and forceful
Brave and peaceful
You can play the ukulele too it is painfully simple
Play your ukulele badly, play your ukulele loudly
Ukulele banish evil
Ukulele save the people
Ukulele gleaming golden on the top of every steeple

Lizzie borden took an axe, and gave her father thirty whacks
Then gave her mother thirty-one, and left a tragic puzzle
If only they had given her an instrument, those puritans
Had lost the plot completely
See what happens when you muzzle
A person's creativity
And do not let them sing and scream
And nowadays it's worse 'cause kids have automatic handguns
It takes about an hour to learn how to play the ukulele
About same to teach someone to build a standard pipe bomb
YOU DO THE MATH

So play your favorite cover song, especially if the words are wrong
'cos even if your grades are bad, it doesn't mean you're failing
Do your homework with a fork
And eat your fruit loops in the dark
And bring your flask of jack to work
And play your ukulele

Ukulele, thing of wonder
Ukulele, wand of thunder
You can play the ukulele, too
In london and down under
Play joan jett, and play jacques brel
And eminem and neutral milk hotel
The children crush the hatred
Play your ukulele naked
And if anybody tries to steal your ukulele, let them take it

Imagine there's no music, imagine there are no songs
Imagine that john lennon wasn't shot in front of his apartment
Imagine if john lennon had composed "imagine" on the ukulele
Maybe folks would have more clearly got the message

You may think my approach is simple-minded and naïve
Like if you want to save the world then why not quit and feed the hungry
But people for millennia have needed music to survive
And that's why i've promised john that i will not feel guilty

So play your favorite beatles' song
And make the subway fall in love
They're only $19.95, that's not a lot of money
Play until the sun comes up
And play until your fingers suffer
Play LCD soundsystem songs on your ukulele
Quit the bitching on your blog
And stop pretending art is hard
Just limit yourself to three chords
And do not practice daily
You'll minimize some stranger's sadness
With a piece of wood and plastic
Holy fuck it's so fantastic, playing ukulele
Eat your homework with a fork
And do your fruit loops in the dark
Bring your etch-a-sketch to work
Your flask of jack
Your vibrator
Your fear of heights
Your nikon lens
Your mom and dad
Your disco stick
Your soundtrack from "karate kid"
Your ginsu knives
Your rosary
Your new rebecca black CD
Your favorite room
Your bowie knife
Your stuffed giraffe
Your new glass eye
Your sousaphone
Your breakfast tea
Your nick drake tapes
Your giving tree
Your ice cream truck
Your missing wife
Your will to live
Your urge to cry
Remember we're all going to die
So PLAY YOUR UKULELE

a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 11 December 2014 16:41 (eleven years ago)

i just hate to see people mess up a good thing. you could have a devoted post-snicket steam-nerd fan-base for life if you just play it cool. you're married to the sandman, for pete's sake! but people are people. you can't change that.

i am glad that she made it possible for her fans to beg for her book. but i guess that's kinda one of the points of the book.

https://massmosaic.com/groups/162/view/the-art-of-asking-amanda-palmer-book-gifting

scott seward, Thursday, 11 December 2014 16:43 (eleven years ago)

ugh, libraries:

"I am struggling for money at the moment, lost my job a few months ago. I love AFP, her music and what she writes/blogs. I would really like to read this book, hold this book and give it the time it deserves (rather than a library copy, which is what i'll do if i need to). Love to all the people on here. <3"

scott seward, Thursday, 11 December 2014 16:46 (eleven years ago)

that ukelele song... christ.

someone posted that 'oasis' song on facebook and described palmer as 'my kind of human being'. very nearly unfriended.

dive inside water and you will know (dog latin), Thursday, 11 December 2014 16:48 (eleven years ago)

"I would prefer to trade my book for a handcrafted object or something interesting to add to my craft stash. I knit, sew, spin, dye, and felt among other things. I'm open to just about anything crafty. Somehow incorporating unicorns and/or rainbows would be extra amazing, but is not absolutely necessary."

scott seward, Thursday, 11 December 2014 16:48 (eleven years ago)

you'd have to be exceptionally uptight for this to be offensive

I dunno, I find it horribly offensive. Jesus. Please don't post any more godawful lyrics about ukeleles again.

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Thursday, 11 December 2014 17:00 (eleven years ago)

'salute' to my brain, for trying to make that song scan to "Love, love, love".

And that's why i've promised john that i will not feel guilty

Thanks, Lennon!

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 11 December 2014 17:02 (eleven years ago)

trying to make that song scan to "Love, love, love".

Me too dude. It hurts.

how's life, Thursday, 11 December 2014 17:04 (eleven years ago)

xp well you know what i mean

a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 11 December 2014 17:07 (eleven years ago)

I guess i'm uptight because fffffuuuuccckkkk that shit

polyphonic, Thursday, 11 December 2014 17:08 (eleven years ago)

did rebecca black actually make a CD

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 December 2014 17:16 (eleven years ago)

Well, there is offensive, and then there is offensive to my tastes. There are far more things that fall in the latter category, but I generally don't find the people who make them nearly as insufferable as I do Palmer. For a musician, her music is the least offensive thing about her.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 December 2014 17:22 (eleven years ago)

You may think my approach is simple-minded and naïve

yes.

Clay, Thursday, 11 December 2014 18:28 (eleven years ago)

Amanda/Dolores mashup:

If only Sid had had a ukulele, maybe he could have been happy
Maybe he would not have suffered such a sad end

With a Smith & Wesson 38,
His life was no longer a debate.
What a sad and sorry and sickening sight.

The Thelonius Monk of nu-ki? (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 11 December 2014 19:31 (eleven years ago)

amanda wrote a piece about art and money, published in the Guardian today:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/13/amanda-palmer-art-business-difficult-honest-decisions

Æfrikæ Bæmbæætææ (sam b), Sunday, 14 December 2014 02:47 (eleven years ago)

Can't wait for her and Russell Brand to do a tour, lemme tell ya.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 December 2014 03:00 (eleven years ago)

thanks 'sam b'

mookieproof, Sunday, 14 December 2014 04:03 (eleven years ago)

Good article, Æfrikæ Bæmbæætææ

I am disappointed at the level of "Amanda Palmer cleans her teeth, 1000 dislikes" um, things.

Mark G, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:38 (eleven years ago)

I don't understand how you read "I lost my job and am struggling for money, so while I'd prefer to pay for the work of an artist I support, I'll read a library copy if I have to" and take away "ugh libraries"

katherine, Monday, 15 December 2014 17:44 (eleven years ago)

i just thought it was funny that the library was a last resort. if the whole begging strangers on the internet for a free copy thing didn't work out. but they did want to hold the book for a long time. so, i guess ownership was the real issue. though you can still renew books from the library as far as i know...you could still hold the library book for weeks.

"I would really like to read this book, hold this book and give it the time it deserves (rather than a library copy, which is what i'll do if i need to)."

scott seward, Monday, 15 December 2014 18:24 (eleven years ago)

but maybe that wasn't clear. the site i linked to was devoted to people asking strangers to send them copies of AP's book for free.

scott seward, Monday, 15 December 2014 18:30 (eleven years ago)

AP's argument that artists take a beating when they show their financials ignores someone like, say, Louis CK who gives the info he wants to give and seems honest about it. Nobody's ripping into the High Maintenance guys for working with Vimeo in an overpriced model. No one is dissecting a dozen other kickstarted albums or the TMBG fansourced project. People just react badly when they smell bullshit.

a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 December 2014 18:31 (eleven years ago)

one month passes...

obvs: https://twitter.com/amandapalmer/status/560117690560688130

mookieproof, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 19:11 (eleven years ago)

double obvs http://jezebel.com/amanda-palmer-has-killed-the-entire-jezebel-staff-1682343149

(for those wary to click, she WROTE A FUCKING POEM TO JONATHAN CHAIT)

indie fuxxor albums i have secretly spotified (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 20:36 (eleven years ago)

Title:

"On Reading the Tweet from the Girl Proclaiming She's Getting Her Dresden Dolls Tattoos Covered Up Due to an Article I Tweeted a Link to About the Dark Sides of Online Political Correctness."

Sample lines:

"I'm still there/underneath./i'm still there/and still love you. (you could laser me off, i suppose, but I'd linger./i'd prefer being subsumed by a comparable singer.)"

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 20:38 (eleven years ago)

To be fair to afp (beyond her awful poetry, for which she deserves whatever comes her way) she includes links to a couple good rebuttals of Chait's piece at the end of her poem.

how's life, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 20:43 (eleven years ago)

if you got a dresden dolls tattoo you deserve whatever comes your way

goole, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 20:44 (eleven years ago)

That's really the title.

about a dozen duck supporters (carl agatha), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 22:12 (eleven years ago)

the title of the post itself gets it the wrong way round, weirdly enough

A POEM INSPIRED BY AN ARTICLE INSPIRED BY A TWEET.

weirder still, I read the poem & did not dislike it

The Sremminine Mystique (bernard snowy), Thursday, 29 January 2015 05:51 (eleven years ago)


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