amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

I didn't read any sexism here, not saying it's not here, but the pile-up on her Facebook thread and Twitter and well everywhere else makes me wonder if people have thought out the best way talk about a narcissist public figure with a persecution complex. Obv I'm guilty as anybody

yeah it's not like i can genuinely defend this kind of peanut gallery snickering - obv pile-on mockery isn't good for the earth. i'd just argue ilx isn't choosy about who they offer it to.

Billy Fucking Corgan, i.e.

amanda needs to go back to the core, the heart music

we do similar stuff for Lefsetz & Ott

Also Greg Ginn, John Harris.

Many xposts to say thanks to Sarahell.

The whole thing is all hard to understand (her behaviour, the fans) but I'll give the music a go.

I've always thought that there must be something else in the background going on - Gaiman seems a sensible guy and they seem content in each other - to mean there was a certain tongue in cheek element.

As far as I can tell, there isn't.

https://i.imgur.com/IzTZx4R.jpg

never forget

i love that

Billy Corgan vs. Amanda Palmer poll

Gaiman is also a flaming narcissist tbf, but dudes get to do it in a more sedate, let-them-come-to-you way.

He blocked me on Twitter

I know nothing about Gaiman beyond liking Good Omens and the Doctor Who episode he wrote with the sentient TARDIS. I've been unable to finish anything else he's written that I've tried to read.

Ever since I read that blog post she made where she used images & stories of bullied teens who commited suicide as stand-ins for the persecution she felt from the kickstarter/paying musician in beer criticism nothing she says surprises me. There is no low she will not stoop to.

you don’t know how many vietnamese soft rolls to order

i mean yes, the tendency to pile on celebrities who break whatever mold can be tiresome BUT AT THE SAME TIME the tone she took in the 'jian isn't appearing' post made it sound like someone had asked her to chop off an arm (with nobody permitted to watch)

Amanda Palmer calls off Jian's guest spot after long amounts of hesitation and cuddles. Meanwhile artiste LIGHTS, who Jian was manging, writes a stern and concise Facebook post about her firing him https://www.facebook.com/lights/posts/10152789383406328

a long time of*

also managing, not manging

"sarahell, I know that Amanda Palmer is your mom but normally you're a good bit smarter than this"

Can we have an ilx-wide moratorium on dudes telling women they're smart enough to know better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0SnpN_O00

Can we have an ilx-wide moratorium on dudes telling women they're smart enough to know better

Can we have an ilx-wide moratorium on white people telling black people what they can and cannot say

can we have an ILX moratorium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htsSY-nh6QM

Can we have an ilx-wide moratorium on dudes people telling women other people they're smart enough to know better

if we did that the site might as well be shuttered.

Mind you, I'm not saying that would be a bad thing.

Oh EZ comere u big lug I'm gonna give you am ilx hug

<3

I wish u cuddles

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10624741_10152895560117372_1317933417202063019_n.jpg?oh=3057a5a5cdffa06dcafb90cfa799fbd6&oe=54D48695&__gda__=1423332586_d53bec607ff30c5338b84555d14b7f88

girl otm

Neil Gaiman She loved sitting next to Amanda Palmer. Was much less happy when I sat down on the other side.

learn from the master, neil

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2mSU6dCEAAKABH.jpg:large

Sloth in a box is the only thing of Gaiman's I've ever cared about. GIMME!

I like her boots! I think her hair is the same color as mine atm.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/17438/amanda_palmer_the_most_hated_woman_on_the_internet

sady doyle review of book (audiobook)

Half of Palmer’s reputation as a woman who spends her day literally screaming for your attention could be fixed with some decent copy editing. But, most of all: Palmer has been portrayed so consistently as a human black hole, a sucking moral and intellectual void from which no shred of human worth can emanate, that it’s probably necessary, in some way, to be confronted with the actual sound of her voice. To hear her, to get the inflections and breaths and emotional subtext, so that you can stop reacting to “Amanda Palmer,” and start listening to a person.

Amanda Palmer, as it turns out, is arguing for the right to make very specific, potentially alienating records that some people love, rather than making very broad, very safe albums that everybody likes. This point is correct, necessary and important. Musicians should be making it. The problem is that the person making it is Amanda Palmer.

On one level, this is pure guilt trip: All of this happened to me, and you still held me accountable for my words and actions, you monsters. Throughout the book, Palmer steadfastly refuses to admit having done anything wrong; indeed, in a twist that I can’t avoid reading as manipulative, she refuses to talk about the “disabled feminists” controversy, but tells several lengthy stories about how nice she was to a particular fan who had a disability.

Yet the facts are what they are: I disliked Amanda Palmer because she was careless with her power and that carelessness resulted in someone getting harassed and told to “fucking die.” But I was part of building the media consensus against Amanda Palmer, which made hating her both common and acceptable. And at the end of that process, Amanda Palmer got abuse and death threats. Careless use of power cuts both ways, as it turns out.

whoops, thought it would be evident, that's more than one blockquote, from difft parts, they got run together

is arguing for the right to make very specific, potentially alienating records

But see, she really doesn't make or release that much music. She personally is the one who is alienating or whatever, not her songs, which are fine. As a songwriter and performer, I really don't have a huge problem with Palmer. It's everything else that raises hackles.

eh, her music is transgressive for a considerable segment of the population who are particularly unimaginative but not to anyone who posts regularly to the internet anywhere but facebook or #gamergate

Really? What about her last album was particularly transgressive? Sounded pretty standard issue to me at the time.

well she covers LDR's video games which is offensive to all sorts of people
and there's this which is her anthem. I watched a huge crowd of heavily pierced "FUCK YOUR RULES" types singing rapturously along to it this summer. you'd have to be exceptionally uptight for this to be offensive but hey, lots of people are!

Sid vicious played a four-string fender bass guitar and couldn't sing
And everybody hated him except the ones who loved him
A ukulele has four strings, but sid did did not play ukulele
He did smack and probably killed his girlfriend nancy spungen

If only sid had had a ukulele, maybe he could have been happy
Maybe he would not have suffered such a sad end
He maybe would have not done all that heroin instead
He maybe would've sat around just singing nice songs to his girlfriend

So play your favorite cover song, especially if the words are wrong
'cos even if your grades are bad, it doesn't mean you're failing
Do your homework with a fork
And eat your fruit loops in the dark
And bring your etch-a-sketch to work
And play your ukulele

Ukulele small and forceful
Brave and peaceful
You can play the ukulele too it is painfully simple
Play your ukulele badly, play your ukulele loudly
Ukulele banish evil
Ukulele save the people
Ukulele gleaming golden on the top of every steeple

Lizzie borden took an axe, and gave her father thirty whacks
Then gave her mother thirty-one, and left a tragic puzzle
If only they had given her an instrument, those puritans
Had lost the plot completely
See what happens when you muzzle
A person's creativity
And do not let them sing and scream
And nowadays it's worse 'cause kids have automatic handguns
It takes about an hour to learn how to play the ukulele
About same to teach someone to build a standard pipe bomb
YOU DO THE MATH

So play your favorite cover song, especially if the words are wrong
'cos even if your grades are bad, it doesn't mean you're failing
Do your homework with a fork
And eat your fruit loops in the dark
And bring your flask of jack to work
And play your ukulele

Ukulele, thing of wonder
Ukulele, wand of thunder
You can play the ukulele, too
In london and down under
Play joan jett, and play jacques brel
And eminem and neutral milk hotel
The children crush the hatred
Play your ukulele naked
And if anybody tries to steal your ukulele, let them take it

Imagine there's no music, imagine there are no songs
Imagine that john lennon wasn't shot in front of his apartment
Imagine if john lennon had composed "imagine" on the ukulele
Maybe folks would have more clearly got the message

You may think my approach is simple-minded and naïve
Like if you want to save the world then why not quit and feed the hungry
But people for millennia have needed music to survive
And that's why i've promised john that i will not feel guilty

So play your favorite beatles' song
And make the subway fall in love
They're only $19.95, that's not a lot of money
Play until the sun comes up
And play until your fingers suffer
Play LCD soundsystem songs on your ukulele
Quit the bitching on your blog
And stop pretending art is hard
Just limit yourself to three chords
And do not practice daily
You'll minimize some stranger's sadness
With a piece of wood and plastic
Holy fuck it's so fantastic, playing ukulele
Eat your homework with a fork
And do your fruit loops in the dark
Bring your etch-a-sketch to work
Your flask of jack
Your vibrator
Your fear of heights
Your nikon lens
Your mom and dad
Your disco stick
Your soundtrack from "karate kid"
Your ginsu knives
Your rosary
Your new rebecca black CD
Your favorite room
Your bowie knife
Your stuffed giraffe
Your new glass eye
Your sousaphone
Your breakfast tea
Your nick drake tapes
Your giving tree
Your ice cream truck
Your missing wife
Your will to live
Your urge to cry
Remember we're all going to die
So PLAY YOUR UKULELE

i just hate to see people mess up a good thing. you could have a devoted post-snicket steam-nerd fan-base for life if you just play it cool. you're married to the sandman, for pete's sake! but people are people. you can't change that.

i am glad that she made it possible for her fans to beg for her book. but i guess that's kinda one of the points of the book.

https://massmosaic.com/groups/162/view/the-art-of-asking-amanda-palmer-book-gifting

ugh, libraries:

"I am struggling for money at the moment, lost my job a few months ago. I love AFP, her music and what she writes/blogs. I would really like to read this book, hold this book and give it the time it deserves (rather than a library copy, which is what i'll do if i need to). Love to all the people on here. <3"

that ukelele song... christ.

someone posted that 'oasis' song on facebook and described palmer as 'my kind of human being'. very nearly unfriended.

"I would prefer to trade my book for a handcrafted object or something interesting to add to my craft stash. I knit, sew, spin, dye, and felt among other things. I'm open to just about anything crafty. Somehow incorporating unicorns and/or rainbows would be extra amazing, but is not absolutely necessary."

you'd have to be exceptionally uptight for this to be offensive

I dunno, I find it horribly offensive. Jesus. Please don't post any more godawful lyrics about ukeleles again.

'salute' to my brain, for trying to make that song scan to "Love, love, love".

And that's why i've promised john that i will not feel guilty

Thanks, Lennon!

trying to make that song scan to "Love, love, love".

Me too dude. It hurts.