amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

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ah

Anyway, a new new update:

https://www.facebook.com/amandapalmer/posts/10152578178708375

Ghostwritten by Ani DiFranco

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what were even the odds that ghomeshi was still like "oh yeah, can't wait to do the gig, amanda, what a great chance for me to tell toronto what's up"

xp she is trolling us no?

like was there actually anything that required a day of debate or was this just a dramatic pause before the obvious cancellation

I think it's quite likely that it was Ghomeshi who cancelled, not AP.

there was no way he was going to show up either way but there was also no way AP wasn't going to go 'let's not be hasty!' and churn up some facebook traffic and then 'do the right thing' in the end.

She always has to throw in some bullshit about how hateful and violent her own fans are.

there's a lot of unsubtle negging of her fanbase going on there

Well, her fans are obviously scum; they like her.

wait

i have spent the last few days, doing my best amidst all-day rehearsals for a musical that opens on wednesday, to read and follow all of the stories that are coming out.

didn't she declare yesterday a day off for neil's birthday cuddles?

(according to the internet his birthday is the 10th, fyi)

Maybe it's some kinda sci-tie thetan birthday.

That Salon article Ned posted is very good.

Agreed. I cannot understand how people can still respect her after this. At least she took Jian off the guest list after posting another Facebook cult-leader-like blog post, that's good, right?

I really think that I've missed some obvious thing about AP? Is it a US thing? What exactly is the attraction of all of this?

She's the godmother of all stereotypical theater kids

That makes a fair amount of sense. She does seem to have quite a big fanbase who can't all be theater kids.

she is a charismatic performer and some of her songs are good?

The Dresden Dolls had a piano-goth rock thing going in the early 00s, no idea whether her new music's any good cuz as she'll proudly tell you (for $$) it's mostly about cult of personality now, accent on cult

I wonder what Neil Gaiman thinks of this.

you mean people are fans of artists for reasons other than consistent quality output?

i just mean in the kickstarter/ted talk era i literally never hear about her promoting her music once it's made

obv lots of acts nowadays are primarily playing for the same people they've played for for years, but she's the one releasing a book about how this is The Revolution

a crowdsourced book

and i mean she invited LEFSETZ

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Bob_Lefsetz_CMW_2009.jpg

He did an article in support of her when she did that whole deal about using volunteer musicians. His conclusion: innovative ways to maximise profit are artistically creative and you're all just jealous.

sarahell, I know that Amanda Palmer is your mom but normally you're a good bit smarter than this

your mama's so good at giving it away she did a tedtalk about it

I just feel like there are a lot of things that ilx will give other artists and public figures a pass on or at least be "ambivalent" about, but will totally go to town lambasting Amanda Palmer for. I think a lot of it is aesthetic and related to affiliation/identity politics.

There have been points on this thread where the discussion veers towards sexism, which makes me uncomfortable tbh.

i'll totally admit that once there's a thread about how a public figure is a endless fountain of ridiculousness people won't be picky about what they throw on pile, and obv said piles can go in ugly places (which should be called out when they do). but if there's another active one on palmer's level ilx has ignored i think ilx would be in your debt if you pointed them out, because we love to revel in the words of such folk.

I kinda regret having posted that, as people will invariably ask, "oh yeah, where? Give examples. Back up your assertion." And I have to go to work right now.

no, i said they should be called out, not that they don't exist

i'm agreeing that these threads can turn ugly, and i hope that people aren't afraid to call it out when they do. but if the idea is "there shouldn't be a thread where people make fun of amanda palmer's public displays of baffling narcissism because someone could easily throw in some sexist shit in the lols" sorry her baffling displays of narcissisms are not above criticism and lols

and as i'm saying this immediately after making a "your mama" joke, i apologize to anyone who's offended by "your mama" jokes

I didn't read any sexism here, not saying it's not here, but the pile-up on her Facebook thread and Twitter and well everywhere else makes me wonder if people have thought out the best way talk about a narcissist public figure with a persecution complex. Obv I'm guilty as anybody

yeah it's not like i can genuinely defend this kind of peanut gallery snickering - obv pile-on mockery isn't good for the earth. i'd just argue ilx isn't choosy about who they offer it to.

Billy Fucking Corgan, i.e.

amanda needs to go back to the core, the heart music

we do similar stuff for Lefsetz & Ott

Also Greg Ginn, John Harris.

Many xposts to say thanks to Sarahell.

The whole thing is all hard to understand (her behaviour, the fans) but I'll give the music a go.

I've always thought that there must be something else in the background going on - Gaiman seems a sensible guy and they seem content in each other - to mean there was a certain tongue in cheek element.

As far as I can tell, there isn't.

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never forget

i love that