Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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I got excited there when I thought you said Plaid heh.
I wasn't suggesting you were one of those fans Allison. That is why I was asking what you liked. I was pretty sure you wouldnt be the stereotype judging by what you wrote previously.
What is your band like? Any mp3s available? Most here are always open to hearing new things.

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Where's Nickelback in that equation, James?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Sterling I was really surprised to see you missing my point a bit, though that may be my fault. If there is any reason why I, myself, could not be a professional writer, its probably because somebody actually interpreted my post as being pedantic, which was far from my intention. For instance, my reason for bringing up the credentials of some writers on this board, was not to intimidae, or make others feel like they have no authority or right to post, I was only trying to point out that ad hominem attacks were pointless, and were a sure way to lose respect. My only intention above was to state some of what I feel are the assumptions, both critical and musical, that many of us take for granted on this board, in order to help new posters understand why they might feel like they are hitting a brick wall.

I will the the first to admit that I do not meet some of the ideals listed above, but I think some of them are worth striving for. Additionally, I think some of the problems faced in music criticism also apply to other artisitc and social arenas. The unwillngness to come to terms with a different type (of whatever sort), to rely on assumptions and stereotypes, and not understanding or experience, is, to me, a flawed process, one that goes on not only in music but also in interpersonal relationships, and social ones. Sterling, your fervent defence of antiracism over the span of many threads, for instance, creates the expectation, for me, that you are familiar with the process of the willful misunderstanding of others, which is certainly at least part, though not all, of the problem of racism. Again, though the context is different, the underlying logic is similar. The logic itself is problematic, and any views stemming from it are automatically flawed.

Lastly, I spent a lot of time on my post last night, which is maybe why it sounds pedantic, but it is also why I may seem to be missing the point. After a while, I figured it would be better to cover gaffes that may not have been specifically made, just because I happened to think of them while I was writing.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:45 (twenty-three years ago)

If you think we are bad Allison, wait until you meet Geir or Calum.
(is it true if you say Geir Hongro 3 times in succession infront of a mirror Geir appears? )

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Creed >>>>>>>>>> Nickelback

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:48 (twenty-three years ago)

but here's where it gets loopy: Nickelback > Smashing Pumpkins *ducks*

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:49 (twenty-three years ago)

;^)

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:49 (twenty-three years ago)

No Franklin. Your testicles tun to jelly and you cant dance to the groove anymore.

― Geirs Funky Grandmother, Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:52 (twenty-three years ago)

nah, James, you got it alll backwards. And these better than's are all based on real or imaginary hits collections, not their entire ouvre.

Limp Bizkit > Linkin Park > Foreigner > Smashing Pumpkins > Matchbox 20 > Nickelback > DMB > REO Speedwagon > Creed > Styx > Staind

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:57 (twenty-three years ago)

That's what I heard.

No MP3's, we're in the process. It's (I know I said it wasn't a jam band, but it is a teeny bit "jammy")jam/jazz/rock/hard to explain type of music with a lot of freaky keys and meters. You'd have to hear it to understand what I'm saying. And no, it doesn't sound like DMB in the least bit.

― Allison, Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Journey's really tough because half their hits would be with Foreigner and the other half would be down by Styx.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:58 (twenty-three years ago)

No band is perfect, of course

Says you.

Killing Joke is perfect.

http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/band79-82/band81bed.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 June 2003 18:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex, apart from Killing Joke. What other bands do you like?

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Saturday, 7 June 2003 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

JOhn D., please refrain from posting the Joke all over this page. That's my scthick....get your own.

yes all right Alex, you don't have to be snippy about it though :(

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 7 June 2003 19:32 (twenty-three years ago)

you don't have to be snippy about it though :(
I'm sorry, JOhn, I should've put a :) after the comment. I didn't mean it as anything other than a.....er....joke. Didn't mean to sound snippy, I promise.

Alex, apart from Killing Joke. What other bands do you like?

Killing Joke will always be my absolute faves, but other than they....in no particular order: Cop Shoot Cop/Firewater, the Misfits, XTC, Devo, the Stranglers, Buzzcocks, the Ramones, Iggy & the Stooges, the Modern Lovers, Kiss, the Birthday Party, Julian Cope, Black Flag, The Wedding Present, Talk Talk, Joy Division/New Order, the Circle Jerks, Gang of Four, the Pop Group, Gavin Friday, Queen, Massive Attack, Motorhead, Anthrax, the Sisters of Mercy, Discipline-era King Crimson, the Velvet Underground, This Mortal Coil, the Smiths, Talking Heads, Bowie, the Cure, the Cult, Theatre of Hate, Kraut, Ch3, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, the Damned......and a bunch more.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 June 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Nice to see what some people are into. Out of that i like Stranglers,Buzzcocks,Ramones, Massive Attack,The Cult.
My personal faves are James Brown, Meters,Sly Stone , Massive Attack, Basement Jaxx,Chemical Brothers,Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder,George Clinton, Prince,Isley Brothers,Janes Addiction , Living Colour and Flaming Lips/Mercury rev. Thats off the top of my head.

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Saturday, 7 June 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Would it be cheeky of me if I linked to this thread? :o)
Musicians you would really punch in the face

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Saturday, 7 June 2003 21:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes!

― Frank McAteer, Saturday, 7 June 2003 22:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Any zealous declarations of fandom (i.e. "Killing Joke Uber Alles!" or "DMB RULES!") will immediately render any opinion you could submit moot, as you're subtracted any semblance of objectivity from your argument.
True. True.
But what I want to know is this: Is their a Dave-Matthew-fan equivalent of "honouring the fire"?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 7 June 2003 23:27 (twenty-three years ago)

False. False. That would mean that in order for your opinion to be valid, you can never really like anything.

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 7 June 2003 23:36 (twenty-three years ago)

The key word there, oops, was "ZEALOUS," as in over-the-top.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 June 2003 23:47 (twenty-three years ago)

So what is everyones favorite bands/musicians?

― Kara, Sunday, 8 June 2003 05:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Mine are there for all to see Kara.

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Sunday, 8 June 2003 06:51 (twenty-three years ago)

kara- hang around long enough in this board and you'll find out.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 8 June 2003 09:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Waitasec. I'm feeling deja vu.
I distinctly remember a couple years back, somebody started a thread about the Killing Joke. And it was flamed by hordes of Killing Joke Fans, the most vocal of which was a new guy calling himself Alex in NYC.
End Result: Alex in NYC stuck around and became the most Active Poster in the History of ILM, evah
flash foward to the present day....

somebody started a thread about the Dave Matthews Band. And it was flamed by hordes of DMB Fans...I fear that sometimes soon an "Alex in NYC"-esque DMB fan will begin posting early and often every day, until he becomes the Most Active Poster. And he will post photos of DMB in every thread...and the DMB Fan will demand that we all "Honour the..." (whatever it DMB fans honour) and the world will become a much darker and more horrid place.

Custos in writing "Matrix Reloaded" shockah!

― J (Jay), Sunday, 8 June 2003 10:58 (twenty-three years ago)

No DMB fan has done the posting of pics yet. Maybe they dont know how.

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Sunday, 8 June 2003 12:40 (twenty-three years ago)

ouch..that one hurt. No, I don't know how, don't really care how. I'm guessing no one has because this is an anti-dave board, and if anyone posted a picture of DMB they would never hear the end of the whining and bitching from people (like you). I'm sure they just dont want to waist time dealing with it.

― Paige, Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:23 (twenty-three years ago)

It's not an "anti-dave board' it's called I Love Music. Where we discuss music of all kinds. Use the search function at the bottom of the page you will find all sorts are discussed. Everyone is welcome here. Im fairly new myself but i find most people are friendly and welcome everyone posting here(apart from Calz for whatever reasons).

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm amazed that I missed this thread the first time around, since I hate Dave Mathews with a passion more fiery than a nova. Of course, my hatred is totally irrational, since the DMB's music is too boring to hate, kinda like late '80s Van Morrison.

― J (Jay), Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:38 (twenty-three years ago)

It seems to be a common occurence between Americans. Europeans dont care about DMB at all as most have never heard DMB. His visiblility is non existent in Europe. Much the same as Hootie & The Blowfish and Phish and other "jam bands".

― Franklin Ambrose (Franklin Ambrose), Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:51 (twenty-three years ago)

His visiblility is non existent in Europe. Much the same as Hootie & The Blowfish and Phish and other "jam bands".

Score one for Europe.

― adam (adam), Sunday, 8 June 2003 15:02 (twenty-three years ago)

'fairly new here' except for the other nineteen pseudonyms ennit

― Ferg (Ferg), Sunday, 8 June 2003 15:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Thats a shame for the europeans.

― Tina T, Sunday, 8 June 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)

In ten years time, will anyone still be listening to DMB?

I THINK NOT!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:38 (twenty-three years ago)

when he's in town like half of my office takes the day off to pay something like 75 dollars to go see him in a football stadium.

― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:51 (twenty-three years ago)

afterparty at Chili's!

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:53 (twenty-three years ago)

this thread is almost heartbreaking

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

People in my office have paid several hundred dollars buying tickets from ebay. Why they didnt purchase them when details were announced i'll never know.

― Tina T, Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)

''In ten years time, will anyone still be listening to DMB?
I THINK NOT!''

i don't see why not? ppl listen to kiss and led zep ;)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)

As long as they play, I'm sure people will listen to them. 10 years ago they probably said the same thing about them, and look where they are now.

― Allison, Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:47 (twenty-three years ago)

...on the downward slope of their career with DMCB breathing heavy on their neck

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Downward slope? Not quite, buddy. Just gettng started.

― Paige, Sunday, 8 June 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh right like they're all of a sudden pull some new trick out of their ass and make some new album that'll just BLOW US ALL AWAY?? Like what, is Dave going to buy a couple dozen Marshall stacks and crank it to 11 and start singing like the guy from Cradle of Filth? Are they going to replace the drummer with Butch Vig? Are they going to make a ska record? No, they're going to make the same record they've made since 1994. Can we start filing this dude in Easy Listening already?

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 8 June 2003 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)

aaah...i've been saving this thread up to read for ages and it took an hour but it was well worth it. especially as like a few others, i have never heard the dave matthews band, suspect i never will and don't really care... perhaps dave's obsession with stopping "bootleggers" stopped any of his records traversing the atlantic ? any more clarification on the equivalent group that anyone in europe might have heard of (i can't believe that coldplay have loads of improvising soloists or whatever...) ?

― kieron, Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:24 (twenty-three years ago)

There's been obvious changes in every record, not that I'd expect you to notice that. I never said their skills would get better...though they have gotten progressively more talented over the years and I don't expect it to stop now. But as long as they make music, I'm sure they'll still have an audience. Since there's no sign of breaking up, their "downward slope" probably won't be in the near future. (sorry)

― paige, Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Whatever mows yer lawn, Paige.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:43 (twenty-three years ago)

some day they'll reach a transcendental state if our calculations of their steady improvement are correct.

at this point the worlds population will merge into one super being, and roam the galaxy looking for skins.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)

you can measure their downward slope either in terms of creativity (paige, et. al: do you think Everyday was better than Under the Table and Dreaming?) or in terms of sales/popularity (in which case they peaked five years ago - check the numbers), but pretending they aren't past their peak - however you measure it - just because they're still going to release albums and they still have a fanbase is like pretending Molly Hatchet or Huey Lewis and the News haven't peaker either. Their best days are behind them - the future belongs to DMCB!

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:50 (twenty-three years ago)

any more clarification on the equivalent group that anyone in europe might have heard of ?

Sting or Yes?

― Brain, Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh please don't compare DMB to Yes. Yes have at least come out with some imaginative music in their day, however noodley and bloated they may irrefutably be.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:55 (twenty-three years ago)

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