the cult of dilla, c/d?

so what? i guess dilla's beats weren't touched by the wang of jesus himself?

the man wasn't a god?

fans are gay?

nothing makes people feel cool like clowning backpacker shit?

it's pretty stupid that dilla is getting shit on on ILM considering some of the corny shit that gets hyped on this board.

― brother marquis (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:17 (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^^ACTUAL best post on this thread

somebody link to the narcissism of small differences post from way back and lock thread already

i know what you mean and you're right for the most part, but there have been plenty of mainstream producers (Megahertz, later Neptunes) doing swinging unquantized drums that have nothing to do with Dilla.

the way people are overreacting to a the very mildly negative things being said about Dilla and/or his fans on this thread kinda makes a case for the fact that there is a cult of Dilla and it's not an entirely good thing.

i mean as far as i can tell noone has dared to suggest that the guy wasn't a unique talent or that he didn't make a lot of music worth enjoying and remembering him by.

right, a neptunes beat has never made me think of dilla (can you name any specific tunes btw?)

most of their stuff from like Justified onward has tended to be unquantized loops of Pharrell's live drumming instead of drum machines like before, it's more obvious on some tracks than others.

i'm not even a huge megafan, but he's good. listening to donuts now. this is a nice one to zone out to.

basically my post was directed at stuff like this:

why people are on his dick for the shitty Tribe albums, Labcabincalifornia, and the post-Paul De La albums is beyond me. Common? ugh fuck that guy

― One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, March 16, 2009 10:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you forget that being mad at dead people is shakey's "thing"

haha waht

I'm mad at LIVING people, once their dead the gloating begins

they're

So can I ask an informed fan for a Rough Guide? (Haven't checked the RG threads, but I don't think any of them had one.)

(cue deej "zing" here)

yeah, that's a totally different thing to me. a) the fact that it's a loop means that it's going to line up every four or eight bars, as opposed to the dilla thing of doing a whole drum track "live", and anyway most of that neptunes drumming is pretty tight anyway, and b) however dilla did his beats (live on samplers or whatever), he created feels that are pretty hard to reproduce on a drum kit. i've never heard the neptunes do anything that sounds like that, and i feel like a lot of drummers are dealing with it now as a result of hearing dilla-style beats.

not sure how easily they would be to dig up, but i noticed a lot of music blogs did unofficial rough guides soon after he died.. can't be more specific than that tho

yeah loose unquantized drums done on a drum pad are a whole different thing i guess

xpost

man there was that one awesome free dilla mixtape that a website did...ethan linked to it, was great. can't recall where it was now.

was it the okayplayer thing w/m.o.p. and peedi crakk on top of beats from donuts?

didn't know he was ever locked up

yeah i heard that one, it was awesome

xpost

this: http://www.okayplayer.com/dilla/djsoul/

Bout to play basketball, will do a rough guide when I get back

xpost - i hear no similiarities between the neps and dilla. also, questlove does a pretty good simulation of dilla on his kit, tho i can do without hearing anyone else try and approximate the dilla 'swing' with programming or live drums. was listening to a brownswood sampler the other day and the number of tracks with neo soul vocals over dilla loops got pretty boring. tbh, the dilla style can get pretty dull and sleepytime in itself. its not quite quantized, no, but it can still be pretty rigid/stiff to the point of zzz. i think a lot of his stuff was right on that borderline between stiff/loose but not always in a good way.

i hear no similiarities between the neps and dilla

noone said there was one, that was kinda my point.

Matos, contact me or Rev, we'll come up with one for you. Rev would be best actually.

But if you want a rolling Rough Guide here: "Nothing Like This" from the Ruff Draft EP belongs on it.

(also, Labcabincalifornia is great. Haterz are insane.)

tho i can do without hearing anyone else try and approximate the dilla 'swing' with programming or live drums

i disagree, it still seems like a fertile area, but you're right that it's a fine line between doing it with funk and just sounding sloppy or weird for weird's sake.

my quick rough guide of his own (or slum village's tracks) with one or two from qtip/tribe just cos the stuff they did together was some of his best imo -

dilla - pause
slum village - fall in love
slum village - i dont know
common - Thelonius
jaylib - mcnasty filth
dilla - nothing like this
slum village - look of love
dilla - fuck the police
q-tip - move
q-tip - lets ride
tribe - find a way

yeah i've been pretty into "Move" lately

'Getting Down on the D' Vols 1 + 2 by Ugly Ed: A+++++ would read agin

this post has made me wanna go and all those detroit albums i ignored.

This is very belated, esp. since I know he meant them sarcastically, but Mackro's Nick Drake/Arthur Russell thing is pretty OTM!

i didn't really understand that at all, since Nick Drake released everything as a solo artist under the same name AFAIK and i was talking about how slippery J Dilla's legacy was before his death because he was known by different names and didn't get a lot of name recognition for his work with better known artists early on. maybe the joke was something else and it just went over my head, though.

haha I don't think he was being quite that literal. I just thought it was funny because I kind of agree with it! (Nick Drake much more than Russell--I don't mind hearing Drake but he's not someone I ever listen to of my own accord.)

Most of the songs I know that have been mentioned here I like fine, but the "genius" talk all seems to boil down to production stuff that as a lay listener I'd never pick up on.

It was just a commentary that people here still fascinate about talented artists who died in the same way like Russell and, from time to time, Drake -- but OMG, we can't have people fascinate about J Dilla, James Yancy, etc. because ALL THESE KIDS MADE HYPERBOLIC T-SHIRTS. THAT'S THE END, MAN

(remove "in the same way" from last sentence, forgot to remove first time)

you know ALL THOSE KIDS that nobody saw except someone here on ILX who was in Tibet once.

ok, well...my post that you parodied was about an issue completely aside from what you turned it into, so thanks for missing the point.

i wonder how dilla would feel if he knew people were still getting butthurt about him years after his death

ok, well...my post that you parodied was about an issue completely aside from what you turned it into, so thanks for missing the point.

to be honest, I just grabbed a post on this thread and made text substitutions that happened to be yours. I didn't miss or get any point of yours. my butt feels great, thanks.

ok, it's all good. also you should probably stop saying "fascinate about."

lol

there are a whole lot of butthurt people on this thread, being butthurt about a whole different range of things

You guys are such clowns, it would crack me up if it wasn't so sad.

hi pipecock

why dont you cry about it

omg are you actually crying? he is! pipecock's crying about ILM!!

Wait, why don't you guys write homoerotic fantasies about me for fun. Oh wait, too late. Talk about needing to get off my fucking jock....

That fantasy above went way beyond homoerotic.