Could the new Liz Phair be any worse

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this thread makes me sad

I loved Exile (still do) and think Whip Smart was a smart, strong followup. WCSE was - eh - not bad but nothing to get too excited over but seeing the hate for the new album is depressing. If it is as bad as ppl are syaiing, what the happened to Liz?

Doug Wolk said that this was the biggest betrayal of talent in his indie rock generation --- is the album really that bad?

― H (Heruy), Saturday, 3 May 2003 02:12 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.lizphair.com/images/menu_music.jpg

R.I.P.

― Venus Glow (1411), Saturday, 3 May 2003 03:02 (twenty-three years ago)

This does sound truly interesting, and if the next album is her Sister Lovers maybe we'll have nothing to complain about.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 3 May 2003 03:09 (twenty-three years ago)

...yeah she's either smarter or dumber than I thought, but I can't make sense of this.

― Aaron A., Saturday, 3 May 2003 03:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Sister Lovers!!!

CBGB/OMFUG T or not, it ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

― V (1411), Saturday, 3 May 2003 04:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Dammit, where's Camden Joy when we need him the most?

I thought Douglas Wolk was just exaggerating for effect, but he wasn't: this is an artistic betrayal of staggering proportions. Listening to it scares me, because I recognize that voice as superficially belonging to Liz Phair but I can't hear her on this album anywhere. It's Invasion of the Body Snatchers: The Album. And it's not the hi-gloss production or the Matrix songwriting credits that's at fault so much as the lyrics.

― Nick Mirov (nick), Saturday, 3 May 2003 05:35 (twenty-three years ago)

"Gimme your hot white cum
Gimme your hot white cum
Gimme your hot white cum
Gimme your hot white cum
Gimme your hot white cum
Gimme your hot white cum
Gimme your hot white cum
Gimme your hot white cum
Your hot white cum"

― Sam J. (samjeff), Saturday, 3 May 2003 05:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Gimme your hot white cum

It's sad that Liz has resorted to stealing from Maya Angelou's poetry.

― Ernest P. (ernestp), Saturday, 3 May 2003 14:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Are the lyrics all that difft. or just tightened up and brought into absurd relief by the production?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 3 May 2003 15:37 (twenty-three years ago)

It was these few phrases in the song "Rock Me" that truly turned me off to the album, and I may never go back:

"I want to play Xbox on your floor
Say hi to your roommate who's next door
You don't have a dime, but I don't mind
Who gives a damn

Your record collection don't exist
You don't even know who Liz Phair is"

Never thought she was all that great, anyway. Only bought Exile in Guyville when it came out because I didn't know better. I don't feel as betrayed as some of her more rabid fans might, but I know a doublecross when I see one.

― paul cox (paul cox), Saturday, 3 May 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I swear, it's Lilith Fair Bizzaro Year!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 3 May 2003 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

All we need is Paula Cole releasing a Randy Travis covers album and my word is complete.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 3 May 2003 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

FWIW, "Why Can't I" is the official single.

― teeny (teeny), Saturday, 3 May 2003 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

my word is complete

Sterling is the resurrection? Sterling is the life?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 May 2003 20:28 (twenty-three years ago)

oh my God those lyrics are CLASSIC

I am extraordinary, if you'd ever get to know me

you wait around years for something this awful, thank you thank you Liz Phair

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 3 May 2003 21:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I just downloaded "Extrodinary." Listening: I'm alternately confused, ashamed, disgusted, complacent, and hopeful. Hopeful that this song really is all over pop radio. I think the crux is that this is just simply harmless.... whereas Liz used to be harmful. Or at least seemed that way to me in 1993. No falling apart at the seams here.

Does anyone know of a better break up song than "Divorce Song"?
"And it's also true that I lost the map". Amen.

― scott m (mcd), Sunday, 4 May 2003 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

FWIW, Phair has been bragging that some legal loophole allowed her to regain the ownership of the Exile masters and the Girlysound tapes. This being the ten year anniverary of that release and all, she's alleging to do an expanded release late in the year.

-- don weiner

Sorry to say it, but it sounds like another last gasp from an artist in the throes of deep block or "deeply out of wad" syndrome.

― Roman (Roman), Sunday, 4 May 2003 00:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyway Matos called this years ago:

am I the only one who notices that Pink sounds like Liz Phair on "Get the Party Started"?

and I quite like extraordinary -- certainly more hooky & meandering than Avril &c.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 5 May 2003 19:47 (twenty-three years ago)

hooky & meandering

Whoa -- that to my mind spells contradiction. I mean, I like the concept if it happens...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 May 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Liz Phairhokey & meandering... never!

― V (1411), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Sterling sometimes I think you toss superlatives into a blender and just type up whatever floats to the top when you hit "stop."

Then again I've been known to do this myself.

I was always told my girls in college that Exile meant a lot to them during their formative years blah blah. Is that true? I remember it being one of the few pieces of indie rock (broadly defined) that was played on the Adult Album Alternative station in Chicago, and I remember thinking it was pretty unexceptional.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:36 (twenty-three years ago)

my girls = by girls

But I like the idea of having a squad of girls who had my back in college.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:37 (twenty-three years ago)

"You don't even know who Liz Phair is"?!? What the fuck is she now, Ludacris? (pun totally intended)

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 5 May 2003 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Your record collection don't exist
You don't even know who Liz Phair is

this is GREAT!!!

― thom west (thom w), Monday, 5 May 2003 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

coming in the context of everything else that's been said about the record, it just sounds sad

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 5 May 2003 22:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I have the feeling her lyrics were just as fucked before, but have heightened absurdity because of the strength of the production.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

no, they weren't amazing before but they were never this bad..

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 03:02 (twenty-three years ago)

"Rock Me" is fantastic '95 throwback 70's nostalgia alterna-synth-linklater loveliness

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 19:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Also U&K for the hatas to go listen to "It's Sweet" RIGHT NOW.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Whoa - I had a dream last night where Liz Phair released a double-CD of amazing music for her "real" fans, right on the heels of "Liz Phair" - which she admitted was just a shallow ploy for airplay.

― Sam J. (samjeff), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:16 (twenty-three years ago)

According to some people on her mailing list, she does have about an LPs worth of material that's more "traditional Liz Phair" style that she says she may release via a web site.

― nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...

Um, I'm seriously loving this Liz Phair/Happy Tragic Thing/whatever it's being called now CD, having just gotten it and listened for the first time. I guess it's a drag that she doesn't sound like she used to, but to me the great thing about Liz has always been how proudly pathetic she's seemed. That song on whitechocolatespaceegg where she calls her mom and tells her that this new guy is different and isn't gonna hurt her feelings and stuff, "Divorce Song," "Fuck and Run" -- she always owned up to a whole world of really sad feelings that I wish more songwriters would sing about. So this new one just seems like the application of that pathetic-ness to her sound, which for me totally works. It's like, not only can't she get it together in a relationship, she can't even sell 100,000 records with some serious industry might behind her. What sad, curious drama.

― Mikael Wood, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 04:41 (twenty-three years ago)

"the application of that pathetic-ness to her sound" is like the most backhanded compliment I've read all week.

gotta love indie logic.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 04:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying that Liz hooked up with the Matrix for any reason other than her honest desire to get that "I'm With You" acoustic-guitar timbre. But I also don't really care why she did it, because I think the result — at least on a one-to-one, record-to-listener basis — supersedes whatever her intent was, when considered within the context of her own body of work. In the same way that, say, Milli Vanilli would have gotten way better if they'd released an album of Sinatra duets or something.

― Mikael Wood, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 05:12 (twenty-three years ago)

indie logic is almost as good as grad school logic, but not quite. ;-)

― tractor & trailer, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 05:43 (twenty-three years ago)

seven years pass...

"Bollywood" likely one of the worst songs I've ever heard by anyone.

http://lizphair.com/

― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 4 July 2010 18:58 (fifteen years ago)

AHHHHHHHHHHH EVERY1 HAS TO LISTEN TO THIS

― 156, Sunday, 4 July 2010 19:28 (fifteen years ago)

I'm finding the '7 years pass...' to be a piquant comment in and of itself.

― Matt M., Sunday, 4 July 2010 19:36 (fifteen years ago)

I am one of the only people on earth who liked the single on her last record, but this is an atrocity.

― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Sunday, 4 July 2010 19:37 (fifteen years ago)

wau

― the last air bud (crüt), Sunday, 4 July 2010 19:37 (fifteen years ago)

holy crap

― sofatruck, Sunday, 4 July 2010 20:53 (fifteen years ago)

Get a taste of Liz Phair

― buzza, Sunday, 4 July 2010 21:14 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDpUJjVfpOU&feature=player_embedded#!

― buzza, Sunday, 4 July 2010 21:17 (fifteen years ago)

This kinda reminds me of "Rico Suave" only not as good.

― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 4 July 2010 21:18 (fifteen years ago)

Only Liz Phair would go around and interview people about her own record.

― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 4 July 2010 21:24 (fifteen years ago)

o_O

― Grisly Addams (WmC), Sunday, 4 July 2010 21:30 (fifteen years ago)

you guys ... the album cover ...

http://magiska.vlsweb.net.br/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Funstyle_Cover_Image-400x400.jpg

― congratulations (n/a), Sunday, 4 July 2010 21:33 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9EbOXYenJY&feature=related

― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 4 July 2010 21:55 (fifteen years ago)

haha she sounds like princess superstar on that new song.

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 4 July 2010 21:58 (fifteen years ago)

Princess Superstar fronting 2NU.

― kkvgz, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 11:52 (fifteen years ago)

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