Ke$ha: Classic or Dud?

xp will be curious if this gets pursued criminally, seems like there would need to be more/some? hard evidence

Most of these allegations seem hard to prove but (speculation) winning the lawsuit might not be Kesha's goal here; Luke's lawyers are alleging she's just trying to escape her contract with him—which, if any of these allegations are true, who could blame her

if she wants out she should let him go, clearly there can't be a working relationship anymore so if she's suing to get out of her deal that must mean that he's being unnecessarily vindictive in either asking her to fork over a bunch of money and/or threatening to hold her career hostage. seems like supporting evidence in her favor imo.

A far cry from a mentor, Dr. Luke displayed despicable conduct in front of Ms. Sebert. Specifically, Dr. Luke would boast and brag to Ms. Sebert about how he liked to take girls out on a first date and "___" them in the ass."

Yeah, J0rdan otm. I don't know the details of her contract, but one of the many reasons I'm inclined to believe her is that her partnership with Luke has been so fruitful (and his production/songwriting has been so key to her success) that I don't think there's sound business logic for splitting from him. Splitting from him to escape an unhealthy situation makes more sense; she's burning a very lucrative bridge

It would be ironic if Dr Luke of all people tried to use her lyrics against her in the media perceptions battle - though probably still unsurprising.

incidentally, here is the actual complaint https://www.scribd.com/doc/242979442/Kesha-Complaint

for some reason that really set me off
i want him to burn

there's aspects of this that are, at the very least, disturbingly surreal - that her mom would be sharing songwriting credits with a guy she knew raped her daughter, that you'd do a whole "hey let me make an album with the flaming lips, whatever happened to creative freedom" campaign and then reveal two years later that the stakes were far more horrifying. but even if only 10% of the accusations were true, this guy should be in prison.

def wish that she had gone to an emerg rm rather than as she sez in the complaint that she needed 2

this thread is like some kind of creepy game of controversy chess where people are getting fired up about theoretical things that could happen three steps ahead of the current state of affairs

Not only that but for some reason it made me really personally enraged

She was only a high school kid when she met him.

this thread is like some kind of creepy game of controversy chess where people are getting fired up about theoretical things that could happen three steps ahead of the current state of affairs

― some dude, Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:51 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Maybe because there's a precedent for those theoretical things?

I don't think it's much of a theoretical stretch to predict that this is going to get ugly fast

sure. but the specificity. "someone will bring up her lyrics. maybe Dr. Luke! but that would be ironic...but it could still happen!"

Maybe Dr. Luke's medical license will be revoked.

^^Guilty lol. So guilty.

Depressing and credible.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/keshas-cries-for-help?bftw&utm_term=4ldqpfp#2ip23e7

This is a bummer because I like a lot of Dr. Luke's stuff (including what he did with Ke$ha) and now I feel like this instantly ruins it for me.

Dr. Luke has worked with A LOT of artists in the past 15 years. I haven't heard any others coming out and defending his honor, which is pretty telling.

on the one hand I really, really don't want come of as if I'm taking the position of "wait what if this is FAKE," but I've got to say, I really hate the "this unreleased song/released song/song written for someone else is DEFINITELY about X!" trope because it is pure confirmation bias.

unnecessary clickbait conspiracy-mongering, glad buzzfeed could make some money off everyone's doubt

http://gawker.com/keshas-lawyer-dr-luke-was-the-producer-who-raped-lady-1666133713

The title cuts it off, but it says Lady Gaga.

I feel icky about someone else putting a name on the man who raped Lady Gaga instead of Gaga doing it herself, but the m.o. fits.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

As was said many times upthread, this is going to get extremely ugly.

dude may v well just be trying to drum up publicity for his own case but even so now i'm thinking about ke$ha's case again & am really sad

this is pretty gross:

After the news of that alleged assault broke, Geragos invited his Twitter followers to "guess who the rapist was" and "#namethepervert." When someone guessed Dr. Luke, Geragos replied "#bingo."

Yeah, I should've read the whole article before blindly linking it. This guy is a weasel.

yeah it seems really professionally irresponsible too, esp for like a good (?) 57 yr old lawyer

makes me think he has some evidence or something abt it but not sure what it'd be other than gaga confirming

he is disgusting

all involved are disgusting except ke$ha and gaga, basically

he is dr puke

this did inspire me to listen to warrior for the first time in a while tho and i totally stand by this being one of 2012's top 20 albums

*by it

its almost def in my top twenty of 2010-14, lot of jams

won tickets to see her surprise show @ black cat tmo, freaking out

well "surprise" for a pop star i guess

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/judge-wont-let-kesha-escape-867571

ugh. really horrible.

god, awful

Ugggh. I thought this was over and done with as of a week or 2 ago. :(

this is still in effect, right? if so, uh, here's your answer to why sony did what it did http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/doug-morris-dr-luke-sony-258729

(also, this sucks)

does the preliminary injunction thing mean that she can still win the case in the long run? someone smart help me out here.

Kind of. The preliminary injunction would have allowed her to record elsewhere (i.e., not for Sony) while the case is still pending. The underlying case, for rape/abuse etc., she can conceivably still win. Though there are also counterclaims against her, for defamation/extortion, etc., that she could theoretically lose.

Her argument in favor of the injunction, though, was that the window for success in pop music is so narrow that to delay recording opportunities is effectively to deny them.

"commercially reasonable" ughhh

katherine in that 2011 link you posted it says that sony's deal with dr luke is a five-year one, which means that it must be up for renewal...this year? could that affect anything?

My understanding is that, while the five-year deal awarded Sony exclusive rights to Dr. Luke's work as a producer, that division of Sony (Kemosabe) is basically his to run indefinitely. Allowing him to start producing for nonSony artists again (if that happens) is not likely to affect Kesha's contract.

Not that I support the decision, but I think the judge was in a difficult place here. If there isn't any evidence that Dr. Luke committed a crime, granting Kesha the preliminary injunction sets a terrible precedent and is essentially saying that all an artist has to do to get out of a contract they don't like is to allege an assault.

I hate the outcome because the bar to proving assault for women is already impossibly high. But I think Geragos didn't help matters by dragging Lady Gaga into this – that's a disclosure for Lady Gaga to make, not a celebrity lawyer.

Whole thing is ugly. Hopefully more evidence comes out or other women to support Kesha's case.