also the deluxe tracks are generally better than half of the record
― j. winters (josh), Sunday, 12 October 2014 21:31 (eleven years ago)
The only bonus track I like is "Midnight Caller".
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Sunday, 12 October 2014 22:25 (eleven years ago)
"kind of... sometimes... maybe" is ridic good
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 12 October 2014 23:40 (eleven years ago)
production is so good
i don't really fuck w/ any of the bonus tracks ... there's a good song hiding somewhere in "all on you" but i think it really needed to be streamlined
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 12 October 2014 23:55 (eleven years ago)
actually wait "the way we are" is dope
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 12 October 2014 23:56 (eleven years ago)
All of the bonus tracks save "Midnight Caller" feel like producer tracks feat. Jessie like those SBTRKT tracks with her on them. The producers' aesthetics overpower Jessie's in a way none of the proper album tracks do. Also, they just feel kinda insignificant and hook-less. I dunno.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Monday, 13 October 2014 00:00 (eleven years ago)
yeah she's kinda fighting the beat on "the way we are" but it reminds me of the-dream so i'm down
i don't like "midnight caller" at all, sounds super cheesy to me in a way she's usually able to avoid
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 October 2014 00:01 (eleven years ago)
I like how lyrically straightforward it is.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Monday, 13 October 2014 00:02 (eleven years ago)
Overall it's a step down from Devotion -- she hints at Annie Lennoxisms -- but her producers help.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 00:04 (eleven years ago)
Diva is a fine model. The other albums aren't.
The new album is a grower, like Devotion.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Monday, 13 October 2014 00:08 (eleven years ago)
The first album had a couple of nullities but no rank offenses like the Sam Smith confection.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 00:13 (eleven years ago)
this is how i break it down to an extent
songs as good as anything she's ever done
champagne kisseskind of sometimes maybetough love
very good songs that stand up w/ any album track on devotion
sweetest songwant your feelingkeep on lyingdesire
songs i'm not really fucking with
you & icruelpieces
crossover single that is totally out of place with her entire discography but is actually an anthem
say you love me
so i'm really really fucking with a solid 3/4 of the album, and it's not like i outright dislike the three i'm not really feeling. they're listenable tracks, they just needed some editing in various places.
i sort of cooled on devotion over time & i wouldn't say this is better but i'll go to the mat for it. i've been playing it all weekend.
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 October 2014 00:15 (eleven years ago)
stuff like "night light" & "swan song" & "taking in water" off devotion are as throwaway to me as the so-so stuff on this album
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 October 2014 00:17 (eleven years ago)
man "Taking in Water" and "Night Light" are, with "Running" and "Wildest Moments," my killer moments. "Taking Water" reeeeaallly kills me.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 00:18 (eleven years ago)
I didn't fuck w/ "You & I" at first but it's really been growing on me the last few listens. Don't get the distaste for "Cruel" that I've been seeing a few places.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Monday, 13 October 2014 00:22 (eleven years ago)
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.)
Taking in Water is my favourite song of hers. Night Light isn't that far behind.
I'm enjoying the new album but it's really hard to see the standouts yet. Apart from Say You Love Me there isn't anything I dislike but everything else is fairy equal.
The reaction on here seems to be quite similar to the second Katy B album. Already wondering how well both of them will do on the end of year poll.
― Kitchen Person, Monday, 13 October 2014 01:20 (eleven years ago)
Can't get over "Champagne Kisses". Amazing.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Monday, 13 October 2014 03:22 (eleven years ago)
Broadly agree with J0rdan but even the weaker tracks are growing on me fast. Not the drop-off from Devotion that I initially thought it was.
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Monday, 13 October 2014 08:55 (eleven years ago)
Agree with Kitchen Person that the reception is v similar to Little Red, right down to ppl praising the bonus tracks
I'm actually finding that "Say You Love Me" is much better in context.
"Desire" is kind of a waste of space, but I guess you need to take a breath after "Champagne Kisses" which has almost made me cry on multiple occasions
― uxorious gazumping (monotony), Monday, 13 October 2014 08:59 (eleven years ago)
How I would love to hear an album of Robin Hannibal produced material.
This isn't as big a dip in quality as this thread would suggest. But the arrangements are too fussy and don't frame Ware's voice in a way to compliment her restraint like they did on Devotion. I think the album titles are telling - Devotion suggests steadiness and constance, while Tough Love is dramatic and points away from any sense of delicacy. I'm not against her making pop moves or trying something different but this reminds me of the Katy B album in that the way she's chosen to embrace crossover appeal does nothing to showcase her unique identity as an artist. This is still fairly good with some standout tracks but it's not essential and special like Devotion was.
― boxedjoy, Monday, 13 October 2014 09:12 (eleven years ago)
The Miguel collab was a smart choice but I don't know why there's so little Dave Okumu involvement when he produced almost all of Devotion. It feels like as soon as there's a chance for a big pop breakthrough the regular producer gets sidelined.
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Monday, 13 October 2014 09:54 (eleven years ago)
oh man "midnight caller" is incredible, a real "if only the album had gone this way" moment
― lex pretend, Monday, 13 October 2014 11:01 (eleven years ago)
like, we've known she's wanted to be annie lennox for a while, but lennox in her eurythmics days is such a better look than latter-day AOR lennox
― lex pretend, Monday, 13 October 2014 11:02 (eleven years ago)
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Monday, October 13, 2014 12:17 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
j0rdan considering these songs throwaway p much entirely explains why he thinks this album is comparable to devotion
it's not necessarily that the songs on tough love are bad so much as it's a less satisfying album, much less than the sum of its parts and lacking the stylistic peaks of devotion (and i find "say you love me" and "pieces" much more jarring in context, the former is just unlistenable to me).
fwiw i agree "tough love", "champagne kisses" and "kind of..." are all peak ware. and "midnight caller"! and, indeed, "12"
― lex pretend, Monday, 13 October 2014 11:06 (eleven years ago)
overall i agree it's basically on the level of little red, and my reaction is similar - i don't think i'd be as harsh or vocally disappointed had jessie and katy not set the bar so high on their debuts. and i'm confident they'll go on to make the greater albums they're capable of.
― lex pretend, Monday, 13 October 2014 11:11 (eleven years ago)
yes, absolutely
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Monday, 13 October 2014 13:07 (eleven years ago)
I found Jessie's less disappointing than Katy's though, which hasn't grown on me at all and still feels like a bet-hedging mess.
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Monday, 13 October 2014 13:08 (eleven years ago)
I like them both, commercial compromises notwithstanding.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 13:13 (eleven years ago)
see for me On a Mission > Little Red, but Tough Love > Devotion
― katherine, Monday, 13 October 2014 15:51 (eleven years ago)
i've got to the stage of enjoying "want your feeling" in my head but it's always such a disappointment when i play it! i blame that ~tasteful 80s guitar riff
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:59 (eleven years ago)
the whole song is basically foreplay until the final 45 seconds or so imo
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:52 (eleven years ago)
I think I like the bonus tracks now.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Thursday, 16 October 2014 05:45 (eleven years ago)
looking forward to hearing this album. just had a gander at spotify and saw that "wildest moments" is her most popular song on there by a long shot, which sort of surprised me (i thought "100%"/"if you're never gonna move" was the main single from devotion, not that it should have been) and sort of didn't (i heard it in a yoga class last weekend). "imagine it was us" still best thing she's ever done, imho.
― jaymc, Thursday, 16 October 2014 05:55 (eleven years ago)
Wildest Moments has over 24m views on youtube
― uxorious gazumping (monotony), Thursday, 16 October 2014 06:00 (eleven years ago)
Disproportionately irritated at Miguel for lazily reusing the Jamie, Johnny and Jack line here.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 19 October 2014 13:03 (eleven years ago)
I'm listening again and Want Your Feeling us actually really great. Pieces feels is really corny though.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 19 October 2014 14:06 (eleven years ago)
eh, everyone does it. It's used better here anyway
― Number None, Sunday, 19 October 2014 14:09 (eleven years ago)
Don't have much to add in terms of challening opinions, my take on the album is m/l the same as the consensus here except I think that "Cruel" is one of the best tracks. "You & I"/"Say You Love Me" being two of the first four tracks gives a much less flattering first impression than the album deserves imo.
― sweet lids of the stars (seandalai), Sunday, 19 October 2014 14:21 (eleven years ago)
Alfred hasn't linked his review? http://humanizingthevacuum.wordpress.com/2014/10/14/jessie-ware-lydia-loveless/
― dow, Sunday, 19 October 2014 14:34 (eleven years ago)
My attempts on Twitter:Jessie Ware Tough Love impulse vs. control sometimes a draw, but focus sure can spark, esp. bootheel & leverage of "Say You Love Me." DJs!
Jessie Ware, Tough Love cont. Descendant of Prince, Sinead, Sade, understandably cautious vs candid stream: http://n.pr/1phv7BE That's NPR's First Listen, so prob inactive when alb released domestically. Really like the title track and several, maybe most others, though overall proximity/familiarity might be less of an impact-buffer if heard as singles, EPs than a whole album at once (though only LP length, which is good)
― dow, Sunday, 19 October 2014 14:45 (eleven years ago)
Like she doesn't want dramatic tension of impulse vs. control, candor vs. caution to turn into drama in the pejorative sense
― dow, Sunday, 19 October 2014 14:48 (eleven years ago)
or even perjorative
― dow, Sunday, 19 October 2014 14:50 (eleven years ago)
― Matt DC, Sunday, October 19, 2014 6:03 AM Bookmark
if Smokey could reuse his Pagliacci line...
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 05:01 (eleven years ago)
rest of album around it + listing of names + the kinda inverted commas plastic cosyness of their delivery (not actually hitting the bottle, just cute songwriting for "i feel sad" vs miguel's original flamboyant dress-up biker blues) somehow gives that line a weird mondeo-pop side effect of evoking 'running in the family' or 'johnny & mary' or something idk
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 09:45 (eleven years ago)
she sings them like she's singing about an old MOR pop group. "crosby stills & nash" or something
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 09:46 (eleven years ago)
like, i knew the orig miguel line but just didn't parse it as that for several listens on this
speaking of, it would feel cruel to bump miguel's own thread, but omgggg his chemical bros collab for the hunger games soundtrack is so bad
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 09:47 (eleven years ago)
hahahahahaha listening now it is badder than i could ever dream
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 09:55 (eleven years ago)
Tough Love samples Little Red Corvette, right?
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 17:31 (eleven years ago)