sun kil moon?

"suck my cock" as an insult isnt much different from calling someone a fag/bitch/cunt, whatever- this graf:

Which is why, in all likelihood, Kozelek chose to say "suck my cock" instead of "I think your band is bad." "Suck my cock" is a command heard most often in two places: heterosexual porn, and schoolyard taunts between presumably straight boys. In no way does Mark Kozelek actually want his cock sucked by the members of the War on Drugs. What he wants is to make them feel violated, to make them feel submissive. "Suck my cock" is an order, not a request. "Suck my cock" is, when used by the wrong person, the language of physical force, the language of rape. He wants the world to know that he thinks TWOD sucks cock, implying that sucking cock is a bad thing. Who sucks cock? Not straight dudes like Mark Kozelek, but women and gay men. Which one of these groups is he using as an insult?

although i think it's safe to say "suck my cock" appears in almost all forms of pornography where a cock is involved

lol

even fake ones!

it never really would have occurred to me that the red house painters guy's cock would become erect in the first place so this whole scandal seems absurd

― j., Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:12 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah dude's music is SO PUSSY right bro

hey antidepressants are no joke

criticizing something you find objectionable by stooping to its level is the american way, can't knock that

i just think if you want to effectively demean somebody by talking about your cock you would be wise to consider the rhetorical position from which you do so

He wants the world to know that he thinks TWOD sucks cock, implying that sucking cock is a bad thing.

There is a leap here. He never says "TWOD sucks cock" as an insult (I think?). I agree that he is saying grossly macho stuff, but the song title seems to only hinge on the power dynamic involved in oral sex that is not reciprocated. It does not imply that sucking cock is a bad thing imo.

the rest of the paragraph seems OTM though

Yeah that was my thought too, more or less.

ilm busts out the extra powerful textual analysis magnifying glass for sun kil moon song "war on drugs: suck my cock"

great thread

anyways, fuck this guy imo

Admiral Fell Promises forever! (also ghosts)

April is good too.

maybe MK and chris ott (if he hasn't clipped himself yet) could band together and form like the hipsterati version of that MRA group a voice for men can you imagine the thinkpieces and (justified) outrage that would spawn.

hey mark and chris if you see this i'd like my intellectual property payment in ones and fives please

Is there any real consensus on the best Kozelek releases?

As I said earlier, I think the first two RHP albums are amongst the best music I've ever heard. The 3rd album and the 1st EP are in that same sweet area.
Ocean Beach and Old Ramon was mostly lukewarm for me but had some great tracks too. I really love Songs For A Blue Guitar.
Haven't heard the RHP tribute album stuff (was it the John Denver one with Slowdive's Rachel Goswell? I heard that was the last RHP stuff).

I mostly liked Ghosts Of The Great Highway, especially the incredible "Duk Koo Kim".
I mildly enjoyed April and didn't get much from Admiral Fell Promises. Some people vastly prefer Sun Kil Moon to early RHP but I just don't get that.

My ranking

Red House Painters- I (rollercoaster)
Red House Painters- Down Colorful Hill
Red House Painters- Songs For A Blue Guitar
Red House Painters- II (bridge)
Sun Kil Moon- Ghosts Of The Great Highway
Red House Painters- Shock Me EP
Red House Painters- Ocean Beach
Sun Kil Moon- April
Red House Painters- Old Ramon
Sun Kil Moon- Admiral Fell Promises

What do you recommend next? Are the AC/DC cover albums still favourites?

guys...sayin "fuck this guy"...not really that diff from him tellin war on drugs bro to suck his cock...

...think about it

#whoa

#STAYWOKE

mind blown

sorry mark kozelek

In no way does the ilx poster actually want mark kozelek fucked by the other posters of ilx. Who fucks kozelek? Like seriously, I look at him and think 'who would fuck kozelek?' Can you believe I work in a bank? You're losing it guy, and it shows. But at night, I'm crazy. I'm the king of the blogs. Fuck this guy, right?! Fuck this guy!

I don't really care much about Sun Kil Moon or Perfect Pussy, but I thought that was a good essay. Also I like War on Drugs a lot. So fuck this guy.

jfc yall are fuckin morons sometimes

Who's fucking Christ? Not kozelek.

Who's fuckin morons? Not kozelek.

hey everybody come and look at the violence inherent in the system

mark kozelek would never stoop to such a level god how gross

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― john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, October 8, 2014 4:35 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

aaahahahahahaha outstanding

Drew Daniel from Matmos kind of dropped some knowledge on this topic:

https://twitter.com/DDDrewDaniel

OTM. The ageist parts of the essay didn't even make sense anyway.

also, the two main ottawa folk festival stages did point directly at each other this year. they at least angled them away from each other in previous years. come on, ottawa!

Yeah, it was weird. Mark Kozelek isn't sliding into irelevance, he is more popular than ever. And actually, 'white guys who were big in the nineties' is pretty much the new black in the industry atm. None of those are particularly good things, imo, but it is what it is.

Right, and he didn't choose John Mellencamp because he's an old dude trying to stay relevant to the younger crowd. He chose Mellencamp because he is trying to punch up. He thinks he is punching up at TWOD as well, and he is in some ways. Still, the pitchfork essay was worthwhile given the praise and exposure given to his choice of hate filled language. It's just weird that the essay also contains this incorrect and ageist analysis of kozelek's motivation for his word choice.

he covered Ted Nugent recently. He is not gunning for the hearts of youngsters.

it's all over now, baby blue

It's absurd to me that this incident has received such extended analysis. That said, Drew kinda nails it.

Oh, and Robert, I'm generally with you on your rankings. Rock and Roll Singer should be next on your search list. Also the Hultsfred 1997 live versions of Old Ramon tracks are far superior to the studio versions.

stone temple pilots, they're elegant bachelors

Thanks Doug.

old ramon was a huge disappointment when it finally came out. we sat around and waited to hear that for years. it's less irritating now but at the time, eh.

Is that live bootleg big among fans? There is one song in particular I'd love to hear but can't remember the title.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rhjAF9oQyc

Sorry that the clip doesn't embed.

Listening to it now, I'm baffled by how P4k could get so excited about Benji. It's like stanning for Lou Reed's Take No Prisoners at the expense of the entire back-catalog of the Velvet Underground.

Take No Prisoners rules!

i love old ramon but then i've never actually heard that bootleg

guitar tone on old ramon is the most gorgeous thing