the cult of dilla, c/d?

xxxxp I think the proliferation of "Dilla" came with all the hype around Donuts because it came out right when he dies and everyone jumped all over it because of that

OPS

YAH U KNOW ME

i like slum village btw

"apples" "oranges" rev

WWJD

this is a weird thread

says the guy whose screenname is the equivalent of a "dilla changed my life" shirt

"apples" "oranges" rev

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― some dad (some dude), Monday, March 16, 2009 3:06 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not really sure how so

I think there really is an instinct to speak of fallen heroes in the most familiar terms possible.

i think cuz pac & big, like oranges, are waaaay wayyyy better than jay dee, like apples.

u know???

rev, j dilla didn't die like a gangsta, so it's ok to be all 2006 is lame and shit

makes sense to me lol

i meant more comparing common nicknames of huge cultural icons to a guy who was barely known by any name for his best known work in his lifetime is shaky, but i guess i invited it with the part focusing on the 'casual shorthand' part (when the term i should've emphasized would be, say, 'posthumous re-branding').

cult of serge, c/d?

all these french kids. hate life.

btw i started this thread with great conflict in my heart because as patrin is right to note "dil cosby / dil withers suite" is not only the best beatkonducta work yet, it's also an amazing listen

i mean when he died i just barely knew of him for Slum Village and doing Jaylib and solo stuff, really had no idea he was responsible for all these Tribe/Badu/Janet/Common/De La/Q-Tip records I knew and liked/loved and mainly associated with 'The Ummah' or 'the Soulquarians' or whatever. so i'm not hating on the guy and i understand there was a brand/name recognition issue with his work while he was still living, it's just funny how he probably would have had no idea when he passed away that 2-3 years later people would be all Dilla this, Dilla that.

why people are on his dick for the shitty Tribe albums, Labcabincalifornia, and the post-Paul De La albums is beyond me. Common? ugh fuck that guy

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Jay Dee a.k.a. Dilla a.k.a. James Yancey - c/d

Dilla tracks vs dilla tribute tracks

i wasn't on his dick for that stuff, i'm just saying that's the stuff i know and like (and sometimes love), don't really know the underground/instrumental shit that's inspired the cult.

anyone heard the orchestra tribute to dilla album?

dillbussy

I can't tell if that's a custos or real.

no there's really an album out, they performed it in la a half a month ago
dunno what its called

i mean when he died i just barely knew of him for (Loose Joints) and doing (Dinosaur L) and solo stuff, really had no idea he was responsible for all these (Flying Hearts)/(Necessaries) records I knew and liked/loved (..) or whatever. so i'm not hating on the guy and i understand there was a brand/name recognition issue with his work while he was still living, it's just funny how he probably would have had no idea when he passed away that 5-10 years later people would be all (Arthur Russell) this, (Arthur Russell) that.

i mean when he died i just barely knew of him for (Bryter Later) and doing (Pink Moon) and (other) stuff, (..) or whatever. so i'm not hating on the guy and i understand there was a brand/name recognition issue with his work while he was still living, it's just funny how he probably would have had no idea when he passed away that 20-30 years later people would be all (Nick Drake) this, (Nick Drake) that.

I've yet to see a Nick Drake changed my life shirt.

n drilla

sorry

why people are on his dick for the shitty Tribe albums, Labcabincalifornia, and the post-Paul De La albums is beyond me. Common? ugh fuck that guy

― One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, March 16, 2009 6:30 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haa yes like it emerged directly from my heart piece rip dilla

shakey congrats on not liking stuff

Alex, the cult lives WITHIN THE SELF

the self is supposed to, i dunno, flog itself or something for repentence of not being around to know who died after they died or something like that.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

alex, i'm just trying to get all pipecock on you and i'm failing ;_;

most of the dilla stans make their own lil beats at home too - theres def some steve vai style technical aspiration thing going on

What do Arthur Russell stans? Write books about Arthur Russell?

stans do, ahem

this is definitely the wrong place to ask, but what is the etymology of 'stan'? i know what it means, but is it short for something?

The Eminem track.

dido

btw i started this thread with great conflict in my heart because as patrin is right to note "dil cosby / dil withers suite" is not only the best beatkonducta work yet, it's also an amazing listen
^^^^^ this

also i have no conflict in my heart in saying dilla was stone cold classic, and that the cult of dilla has no effect in either direction upon my feelings about this

"alex, i'm just trying to get all pipecock on you and i'm failing ;_;

― She Is Beyond Food In Weevil (Mackro Mackro)"

you're succeeding at being yourself quite well, by which i mean being retarded. there you go, a good pipecockism for you. if you wanna bite my style, LEARN TO DO IT RIGHT FOOOOOOL.

You have a style that people want to bite? No way

jesus

the cult of ilm, c/d?

i think that just about all "tributes" and whatnot to dilla have been pretty weak. those beatconductas are okay, but really they're not essential. i laugh when we get in new tracks at the shop that are all DILLA in title, but sonically they're bullshit.

i don't see what any of this has to do with people giving the man his propers. it's good that people are finally recognizing how great he was. in fact, it was only since he died that i revisited the tribe, pharcyde, and de la albums he was involved with and could appreciate them. that doesn't make EVERYTHING he did good ("electric circus" is a disaster, that one stands out), but it's pretty amazing how good most of what is out there with his name on it is. to the poster hating on Common, that just doesn't make any sense. Common may be something of a joke now, but in the 90's and into the early 00's the guy was the shit. and Dilla's beats on Like Water For Chocolate (which i bought the instrumentals on wax for back in late 00) are completely off the charts.

who wants to bite the pipecock

"who wants to bite the pipecock

― ice cr?m"

you'll bust your teeth on that motherfucker

i dont know but apparently already sold out pretty much everywhere already, though i suppose at $40 it works out to only $5/disc so i guess not total robbery

I was just going to do a donuts poll yesterday

the cult is 'annoying' but more annoying is being broke, having ants in my kitchen & not getting a call back from a chick i like

sometimes ppl around here are way too subculturally butthurt
wahhh nerds are corny

― ridin down the yellow brick road in the yellow 6-4 (deej), Monday, March 16, 2009 5:17 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all of those problems have been solved but the dilla cult still exists

mea culpa

this really is an amazing time capsule thread, can't believe velko posted in it

tbh madlib changed my life

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 @jrocc that beat isn't from a 1 thru 5 batch, it's from "another batch" 1998.

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
@kylebeats @jrocc I don't really give a shit to honest.

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 @jrocc to each his own.

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
@kylebeats No it's not to each his own. That's the problem. There are facts to this and dudes be freestyling like they know what it is.

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 i know, that's my point. I'm a stickler for facts and details.

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
@kylebeats What facts? Did you get a beat tape from Dilla?

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 are you confusing me with someone you don't know?

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 and why attack me for correcting an obvious mistake? who doesn't know that's 98?

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
More and more annoyed by you so called "Dilla Heads" You really don't have a fuckin clue which I did B47 Breaks in the 1st place.

ha awesome

wow this thread all over the place

anyways would have been 45 today rip beat maker

this was very touching

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZebNF9hQvt/?utm_medium=copy_link

There's a new book too:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/01/arts/music/j-dilla-time-book.html

Charnas also clarifies the story around “Donuts,” an instrumental album that Stones Throw Records released right before Dilla’s death that has become a key entry point for new generations of fans. It’s been said that Dilla recorded “Donuts” in the hospital, embedding messages for loved ones in his compositions as the end approached. In reality, “Donuts” was born from one of the many beat tapes he had made. It was largely edited and extended by Jeff Jank, who worked at Stones Throw, and completed months before Dilla died.

Just picked up the book yesterday, though I haven't started it. Looks fantastic and there seem to be a lot of beat diagrams sprinkled throughout. Can't wait to dig in, though I've already got two fellow ilxors books on the "next to read" pile first.

Charnas' book was really good, I appreciated the mix of biography and deeper dive into how he put the beats together.

Listening to the Welcome 2 Detroit Instrumentals this morning and it sounds really good.

Just starting Dilla Time now, hells of excited to immerse myself in it.

Yeah, some of the music theory stuff can be a little "extra" but Charnas is a gripping and thorough storyteller. Book is great.

I'd like to read it, but I feel like if I ever hear read anyone going on about Dilla's unquantized drum programming feel, it will be too soon.

I think even Questlove, who was of course a primary evangelist, said recently that the way Dilla constructed musical parts out of micro-sampling (single notes, tiny sounds) has been overlooked compared to the drums stuff.

im trying to start my own cult of quik

― zzz (deej), Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:29 PM (thirteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

this worked kinda

I need to read the charnas book