Search and Destroy : New Order

Real question: if they're making new music sans Hook, will they ape his bass sound/style? Or will they go without? Because if they keep Hooky bass without Hook it's pretty much admitting how important he is. Of course, New Order without Hooky sound isn't really New Order.

Barney's book looks a bit of a slim volume to me. I'm doubtful it will dig as deep into the New York and Ibiza years as I'd have liked.

did I actually hand off the recycle stuff like I promised to? I don't think I did

Stephen Morris ranks the albums. Unexpected bit:

Final question: if you had to pick one definitive New Order song for you what would it be?

One song that I’ve always liked by New Order is “All Day Long” which is off Brotherhood. I just think it’s a really lovely song and we never really played it live, and maybe we should think about playing it live when we do some more gigs. I just think it’s a lovely song. It doesn’t have any drumming on it, but I like it as a song.

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/new-order-rank-your-records

One part of that interview made me happy, since I was involved with Denial being played at American Apparel stores.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gdeAaZevts&feature=youtu.be

http://www.playingwithsound.net/news.asp?id=467 worth getting?

jesus H that photo..

but yeah Frank Arkwright did them at Abbey supposedly; he of Smiths and Blur remasters fame etc. seems they've taken the time to do it properly this time after the mess up over the remastered albums.

(a) Frank Arkwright masters all of Autechre's releases so he knows how to capture dynamics! and (b) the band photo in that link is all-time. Gillian's expression alone worth the price of entry.

nice one, thanks. I wonder if they're sorting out the botched album reissues too?

Already own Singles but would be tempted to get this again if released on CD.

it's coming out on double CD as well as vinyl box set

surprised they didn't extend the track list to include the Music Complete singles, which would be right at home (much more than some Lost Sirens deep cut)

Not surprised, because now they can reissue it again.

Listening to the remasters on Spotify, and even with the streaming quality, I can hear some significant improvements on these tracks. Just placed an order for the 4LP box set.

Last night in Manchester with 12-piece synthesiser, errr, "ensemble":

Setlist: New Order, Old Granada Studios, Manchester, UK, 6/29/17

1. “Elegia”
2. “Who’s Joe?”
3. “Dream Attack” (First time since 1993)
4. “Disorder” (First time since 1980, first ever as New Order)
5. “Ultraviolence” (First time since 1984)
6. “Behind Closed Doors” (First time ever)
7. “All Day Long” (First time since 1989)
8. “Shellshock” (First time since 1987)
9. “Guilt Is a Useless Emotion”
10. “Sub-culture” (First time since 1989)
11. “Bizarre Love Triangle”
12. “Vanishing Point” (First time since 1989)
13. “Plastic”
14. “Your Silent Face”
15. “Decades”

uhhhhhhhhhhh okay that is a great set list

it is but I don't know why they keep throwing 'who's joe' in the set like anyone wants to hear it

I do!

Good grief at this set list and lineup. So what was the occasion?

please tell me that was recorded

they're doing a series of these shows

By coincidence “Your Silent Face” is crushing me right now at home.

daaaaammmmnn

that's pretty amazing

Leave it to Hook to figure out the only way to upstage that.

The most surreal experience of my life. pic.twitter.com/LegUSSQumW

— Peter Hook (@peterhook) June 30, 2017

uhhhhhhhhhhh okay that is a great set list

― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Friday, June 30, 2017 1:35 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it is but I don't know why they keep throwing 'who's joe' in the set like anyone wants to hear it

― akm, Friday, June 30, 2017 1:36 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I do!

― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Friday, June 30, 2017 1:38 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So do I!

I made a Spotify playlist of the studio versions (everything except "Behind Closed Doors"):

https://open.spotify.com/user/burningambulance/playlist/3jmkefWd3gHUGf6sWhueO4

was on the fence about seeing them at the hollywood bowl in november but now Im fuckin' there

great show last night at the Hollywood Bowl. lots of awkward Barney banter!

Singularity
Disorder
Ultraviolence
Crystal
Restless
Your Silent Face
Tutti Frutti
Subculture
Bizarre Love Triangle
Vanishing Point
Waiting for the Sirens' Call
Plastic
The Perfect Kiss
True Faith
Blue Monday
Temptation

Encore:

Decades
Atmosphere
Love Will Tear Us Apart

There's a great Periscope from a user named Bob something from the front row that has everything up to Plastic. Really good show. Regret not going now. Subculture sounded huge.

they were wonderful earlier this year or last year in Berkeley, whenever that was. Same setlist I think.

Barney did a subtle dis on the Cure - paraphrasing but something like 'we got an extra long set for you tonight. like the Cure. wait no, well maybe half as long as the Cure'

Some people in the crowd as we were leaving weren't impressed with the remixing of the classics. I kinda loved it. I also liked the alt version of Waiting for the Siren's Call..

nice they're still playing new songs

They shoot themselves in the foot for not playing the Shep Pettibone mix of Bizarre Love Triangle. The roar they get when the crowd recognizes the intro is huge and this updated version loses that recognition completely. I like the new versions, but I can see the side of those complaining.

that sounds like a lovely show and wanted to go to it. i decided not to attend as i have seen New Order too many times around Los Angeles. glad you had fun.

that's a great set! last time I had tickets to see them I... forgot them in Austin and didn't remember until I got to Houston. oops.

Last time I saw them I really hadn't been planning to see them, and minus Hook made it tougher to drag me out of the house. But they were great.

TOO-TI FROO-TI

A shame they ain't playing "Academic," which has a good locked-down guitar groove.

Yeah, 'Academic' was a huge grower for me.

i saw them at radio city music hall earlier this year and it was awful! felt like they were drably going through the motions to a crowd that only reacted to the most obvious hits. glad to hear that that's not a universal experience these days.

I'm kinda glad, in the end, I saw them when I did in 1989 -- I didn't get my beloved "Regret" for obvious reasons, but it was a stellar set and I can say I saw the original lineup before the slow unravelling and reconfigurations.

Honestly I've passed on seeing them several times because I was worried it was going to be garbage. The show wasnt AMAZING but I was very glad I finally got to see them after all these years.

And yeah its surprising how much I actually like the newer stuff. I kinda wanted to hear Stray Dog. Barney could take the whole song off!

The greedy person in me is sad they didn't play Dream Attack tho =|

long thread here about the whys and wherefores of who did and said what to who and what the outcome is after today's
legal settlement story stuff. kinda fascinating, especially the Electronic-paying-for-the-failure-of-Revenge bit which sounds like a classic Wilson move, and i mean that in a nice way.

https://twitter.com/mrmarkreed

Jesus, why even do that over Twitter?

Twitter "threads" and people linking to them by just saying "Thread!" Are the dumbest thing about modern communication. I am happy new Order have settled their issues. Now I just want Hooky to suffer the rest of his life knowing he's an egotistical jackass who, as it turns out, isn't that important to New Orders ability to write and perform great music. All of his side projects were shit with the exception of 2 Monaco songs that sounded like New Order due to Pottsy singing like Bernard. Chapman doesn't ruin songs yelling in the mic like Hook did.

as it turns out, isn't that important to New Orders ability to write and perform great music.

Perform, sure. They sound great these days. But while the last few albums are good, I suspect they'd have been better with Hook involved. His solo work being bad doesn't mean he doesn't make New Order albums better.

One thing for sure is I liked it better when they were faceless ciphers about whom I knew absolutely nothing.

100% agree with your last statement. It was much better in 1988 when I couldn't figure out who did what or even find much information about the band in magazines (being in the US). Sure, Hook's basslines are extremely influential, iconic, etc etc. But after the last 10 years of him spewing shit at the band, and his comments about Gillian, in particular, I just lost all respect for him. I know Chapman isn't half as good, but I did really enjoy the tracks on Music Complete that were clearly in a different style to Hooks. Tutti Frutti and People On The Highline, in particular. Hook may have made their albums better, but his persona on stage, and constant shouts in the mic were detrimental to my enjoyment of their live shows.

So what happened then? Was it basically "here's a big chunk of money now fuck off?"