I hadn't seen the video til now...I find the song a little less boring now :D
http://thumbs.hh.ulximg.com/public/article/600_1408546430_tumblr_nal8sgouqj1shabc6o1_500_83.gif
― SEEMS TO ME (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 August 2014 00:47 (nine years ago) link
Don't get me wrong, no one could have seen Cher's "believe" - j lo clearly won't go down without a fight. Just saying for her to truly wipe the floor with anaconda would be a thing of many thinkpieces and grand comeback chat
― da croupier, Sunday, 31 August 2014 00:48 (nine years ago) link
http://thumbs.hh.ulximg.com/public/article/600_1408546420_tumblr_nalab0joaq1ru7khoo1_500_78.gif
― SEEMS TO ME (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 August 2014 00:48 (nine years ago) link
Weird that Anaconda is the competitor JLo has to dethrone when Shake It Off is the actual current chart topper.
― Greer, Sunday, 31 August 2014 02:13 (nine years ago) link
well, i think the dethroning discussion is limited to songs about thrones
― some dude, Sunday, 31 August 2014 02:14 (nine years ago) link
Or that Melvins guys side project The ThronesSaw them open for blonde red head what a snooze
― ra's al goole (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 31 August 2014 04:07 (nine years ago) link
http://jeffreycaluag.tumblr.com/post/96661774711/anaconda-nicki-minaj-choreography-by
― 龜, Saturday, 6 September 2014 14:14 (nine years ago) link
:D :D :D :D :D
― The Reverend, Saturday, 6 September 2014 18:35 (nine years ago) link
biiiiitchin
― SEEMS TO ME (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 September 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link
yessss <3 <3
― Roz, Saturday, 6 September 2014 19:25 (nine years ago) link
more sexploitation, great 2014 theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO4xCfGO-XU sure hope it's liberating
― niels, Monday, 8 September 2014 11:41 (nine years ago) link
*Sigh*
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 8 September 2014 13:02 (nine years ago) link
so very disappointed that the scourge of human sexuality has suddenly overtaken popular music this year
― some dude, Monday, 8 September 2014 13:10 (nine years ago) link
Note: that sigh isn't aimed at any of the discussion here, but at....that, above, and whatever this showdown has to say about where we're headed (or already are) as a society, etc.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 8 September 2014 13:10 (nine years ago) link
Al, I know you're being sarcastic and that you're right, but this just feels so fucking empty. Maybe I'm just getting old, I dunno.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 8 September 2014 13:11 (nine years ago) link
god j lo's voice is so fuckin bad
― marcos, Monday, 8 September 2014 14:15 (nine years ago) link
Jello's always been known for her butt, though. Not really jumping on the bandwagon, so much as reclaiming it.
― Cousin Slappy, Monday, 8 September 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link
woulda queued that up a lot faster without the phrase (featuring iggy azalea)
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:10 (nine years ago) link
not sure if iggy or jlo know that putting your sexuality up front also involves making sure listeners know you have a brain, too. anxious.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:11 (nine years ago) link
granted we haven't seen the whole thing but i feel like this video is only playing to half the audience nicki's did
the half that wants to see honey poured on butts
― da croupier, Monday, 8 September 2014 19:24 (nine years ago) link
now if there was some playful use of sexual iconography and pitbull pitching a tent, that'd be something
― da croupier, Monday, 8 September 2014 19:26 (nine years ago) link
ha yeah, if anything this proves the subversive element of "Anaconda"
― The Reverend, Monday, 8 September 2014 19:41 (nine years ago) link
gobble-gobble bass
― example (crüt), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:43 (nine years ago) link
"I Luh Ya Papi" video already did the tongue-in-cheek gaze-flipping. Laughing at the folks despairing for society's future though. It's butts, you'll live.
― Greer, Monday, 8 September 2014 22:35 (nine years ago) link
word
― The Reverend, Monday, 8 September 2014 22:52 (nine years ago) link
― The Reverend, Monday, September 8, 2014 2:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you havent even seen the video yet tho lol
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 06:21 (nine years ago) link
Dudes this album is gonna have the exact same flaws as her others, let's just hope Carter V is like 2 of the good out of the four tracks that're allegedly gonna be on it. Wayne's the biggest influence on rap that you seen thus far he deserves to go out on top
― nova, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 06:53 (nine years ago) link
Having grown up with 90s mtv I'm not surprised music videos use sexual content to gain attention (still, hadn't seen the honey-booty thing before) but that doesn't make it an irrelevant issue, same goes for sexism in rap lyrics. Maybe the booty theme can be empowering/liberating but as has been noticed this J-Lo/Iggy song doesn't seem to be doing that. I don't think Nicki is either, but I respect that a lot of people disagree with me.
It shouldn't be necessary, but I'll add the disclaimer that I'm not trying to say that Lopez' self presentation is immoral or wrong, only that I don't think its intention (whatever it may be) can be isolated from the context in which it's interpreted, and I don't think it will help a feminist cause.
Sorry for not just letting this one go, I don't know why I can't get it out of my head.
― niels, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 08:48 (nine years ago) link
have you read the articles that feminists have written about "anaconda" or nah?
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 09:14 (nine years ago) link
Naaahhh, that would be too difficult. Women are just bodies for me to be looking at. They don't inhabit those bodies, or have personal feelings about them. That's too much for my little brain to get my head around. It's all for my gaze. And if it makes me uncomfortable, that makes it BAD.
― Shugazi (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 09:24 (nine years ago) link
also it shouldn't need to be pointed out but positing "are boys wanking to this" as some sort of litmus test for feminist credentials is extremely dumb on many levels
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 11:52 (nine years ago) link
I read the Molly Lambert piece you posted upthread, and I found the points on appropriation/reappropriation valid, as well as the idea of "shifting racial standards of beauty". If there are other pieces you recommend I read, I will.
I don't agree with Lambert's analysis of Nicki as subject, because I think it comes off a bit one-sided. I know this is probably not Lambert's intention, but there seems to be a false dilemma between being a sexual subject or object in a quote like this: "And because Nicki is spitting rapid-fire jokes the whole time she is onscreen, it’s impossible to feel like she’s been reduced to a mere body." Surely it's possible to both come across with valid points on female sexuality or racial standards of beauty, while also coming of as a sexual object. Feminist tropes don't automatically exclude sexists tropes (and I don't mean that sexual objectification is necessarily sexist, just that it historically has often been).
I'd like to again stress that I'm not trying to second guess or morally judge Nicki, Lopez or any other female artists, just trying to understand their songs/videos in a context where a male gaze is predominant. As stated elsewhere I can understand the rationale behind sex-positive feminism, but I feel there might be downsides to it when used to "justify" videos like the above, when it's too disconnected from the common discourse - but of course I can also appreciate the attempt to affect this discourse.
― niels, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 12:14 (nine years ago) link
back up for a second: how the fuck is jennifer lopez's butt a "2014 theme"
― katherine, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 13:15 (nine years ago) link
it was the theme of my birthday party this year
― some dude, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 13:16 (nine years ago) link
Jennifer Lopez' butt is not a 2014 theme, this feels like a forced misunderstanding, my comment was supposed to read like an ironic sigh, but should "Booty" become a hit (not totally unlikely) it would be the third hit in 2014 about butts (if we count "Anaconda" and "All About That Bass" as hits)
― niels, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 13:50 (nine years ago) link
it was also the theme of this year's senior prom at a nearby high school
― some dude, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 13:55 (nine years ago) link
just posting here because i am contractually required to with my current dn
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 14:14 (nine years ago) link
yes and come to think of all the thinkpieces on twerking in 2013 I guess it's just an eternal theme
― niels, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 14:15 (nine years ago) link
i wrote a timeline of ass-themed hits a couple years ago: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2012/03/sir_mix_a_lot_baby_got_back_20th_anniversary.php
― some dude, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 14:34 (nine years ago) link
impressive! thanks for sharing
― niels, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 14:44 (nine years ago) link
Honestly the whole in-your-face sexuality element of modern feminism is problematic/doesn't make 100% sense to me given the other stuff they complain about (I mean it makes sense mind, but more on an abstract level imo) and that's part of why I can't view all these popstars latching on to that part seriously, #1 it's a little too convenient and #2 you're not original, Xtina-era Aguilera already made all your same not-very-good arguments
maybe "Anaconda" video or otherwise is a little diff. but don't honestly care
― nova, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link
those feminists with their complaining
― wolves at doors: they flan @ u face (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:00 (nine years ago) link
yeah that was what I mean
smh at some of the reflexive response types here
― nova, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:03 (nine years ago) link
Here's a shovel. Keep digging
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:09 (nine years ago) link
i feel like the critical butt theory that has flourished in the '10s prob has more to do with race than gender
― een, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 18:58 (nine years ago) link
― niels, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 08:48 (Yesterday) Permalink
Thank you. (Seriously.)
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 00:47 (nine years ago) link
I love it when men tell women how to ~do feminism~. That helps the "feminist cause" so, soooo much.
― Shugazi (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 09:19 (nine years ago) link
http://gawker.com/even-nicki-minaj-cant-teach-vogue-models-to-twerk-1632916123
― 龜, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 19:28 (nine years ago) link
http://cheetahgirl69420.tumblr.com/post/97851461018/dirudo-broderrickstrider-make-this-govia the singles jukebox cabal
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Friday, 19 September 2014 06:15 (nine years ago) link
I would just like to note that J Lo's "Booty" debuts at #18 this week thanks to her requiem for a dream homage with iggy
"Anaconda" is at #4, though
― da croupier, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 19:33 (nine years ago) link