Nicki Minaj - The Pink Print (2014)

no it's def narrower now. just saying, even then Missy seemed relatively unlikely as a major star.

"Does the 10s feel as rich as the 90s" and "could a new missy even happen" are two different things

I like lex's accidental honesty in this critique of anaconda upthread:

"lots of it really, really works."

really fascinating conversations going on here

(maura, i apologize for derailing the larger points you were making, which i agree with, with my quibbling over chart minutiae)

re: "But, it's like... there's a whole massive ILX thread about Billboard and the marginalisation of African-American music. It's been noted, repeatedly, that PoC, especially Women of Colour, have been excluded and all but erased from the upper echelons of the charts. And yet Minaj seems to manage the impossible, and chart a single at Number Two - and yet there is a whole segment of ILM which *seems* deeply invested in somehow explaining that it either didn't happen, or didn't count? Why? What am I missing, or am I reading this completely wrong?"

I don't think people are saying this (I could be wrong) so much as it seems as if most people think its chart position is going to be a happy accident but short-lived. I'd love to be proven wrong on this point (and IIRC the Billboard article did mention that radio may be coming around) but it's not really out-there as a prediction.

again, I really do think the VMAs have a non-trivial amount to do with "Anaconda" reaching #2 -- being placed at the beginning of a major awards show that is apparently playing in reruns enough for my mom to call me last night and complain that she's been in some kind of "Groundhog Day" loop of the announcer presenting 5 Seconds of Summer (yes, yes, anecdotal, but still) is not meaningless. (It's also the conditions under which "Wrecking Ball" debuted, for what it's worth.)

also non-trivial: nicki minaj has a very large, very active fanbase; it's not like we're talking about an upstart nobody here.

(that said, the "skinny bitches" thing referring to anything other than skinny girls in the club is a massive, massive stretch. it's fine on its own! she who has never, not once in her life, made a grumpy comment about skinny people gets to throw stones etc.)

i'm not rooting for women of color to do well on the charts by any means necessary. i would like it to be because good songs that they are making are given the right structural support to have that opportunity. Not that they're releasing thirstbucket singles

that reads weird, but what i'm trying to say is: complaining about too many white ppl on the charts doesn't mean i'm going to root for any old bullshit just because it's by a woman of color and happens to be succeeding

nb i like this song more than most people do, but also let's not pretend that the jlo/iggy azalea record on the way isn't just going to pop out and wipe the floor with it

ignore my first post it was very badly worded

When was the last time jlo wiped the floor with anyone

I mean yeah Iggy is almost vanilla ice hot right now but I wouldn't assume the lack of a guest spot from her is all that kept "I love you papi" from hitting #1 instead of whatever low berth it got

the multiple singles with hundreds of millions of views she's had in the last 5 years?

i dunno man i'm pretty confident this one is gonna be big: http://www.audiomack.com/song/jlo/booty-remix

idk, the last Lopez single to have any real impact was On the Floor, which was 3 years ago. Since then it's been a slew of singles that go nowhere, and videos that do decently over time but don't really "take off". And it's not as if some of those singles didn't have hit potential too. Her last album also opened to terrible numbers. She's been a persistent force in pop but hasn't been on top of the game in quite some time. Even On The Floor was a one-off.

Still not over how "I Luh Ya Papi" failed.

I think you guys are underestimating Iggy

You're right, I have a feeling it won't be no mediocre showing

Like even if its "black widow" big it ain't gonna shame nicki none

0:30 - 1:30 something of a slog, but otherwise yeah

I guess we'll see

I hadn't seen the video til now...I find the song a little less boring now :D

http://thumbs.hh.ulximg.com/public/article/600_1408546430_tumblr_nal8sgouqj1shabc6o1_500_83.gif

Don't get me wrong, no one could have seen Cher's "believe" - j lo clearly won't go down without a fight. Just saying for her to truly wipe the floor with anaconda would be a thing of many thinkpieces and grand comeback chat

http://thumbs.hh.ulximg.com/public/article/600_1408546420_tumblr_nalab0joaq1ru7khoo1_500_78.gif

Weird that Anaconda is the competitor JLo has to dethrone when Shake It Off is the actual current chart topper.

well, i think the dethroning discussion is limited to songs about thrones

Or that Melvins guys side project The Thrones
Saw them open for blonde red head what a snooze

http://jeffreycaluag.tumblr.com/post/96661774711/anaconda-nicki-minaj-choreography-by

:D :D :D :D :D

biiiiitchin

yessss <3 <3

more sexploitation, great 2014 theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO4xCfGO-XU sure hope it's liberating

*Sigh*

so very disappointed that the scourge of human sexuality has suddenly overtaken popular music this year

Note: that sigh isn't aimed at any of the discussion here, but at....that, above, and whatever this showdown has to say about where we're headed (or already are) as a society, etc.

Al, I know you're being sarcastic and that you're right, but this just feels so fucking empty. Maybe I'm just getting old, I dunno.

god j lo's voice is so fuckin bad

Jello's always been known for her butt, though. Not really jumping on the bandwagon, so much as reclaiming it.

woulda queued that up a lot faster without the phrase (featuring iggy azalea)

not sure if iggy or jlo know that putting your sexuality up front also involves making sure listeners know you have a brain, too. anxious.

granted we haven't seen the whole thing but i feel like this video is only playing to half the audience nicki's did

the half that wants to see honey poured on butts

now if there was some playful use of sexual iconography and pitbull pitching a tent, that'd be something

ha yeah, if anything this proves the subversive element of "Anaconda"

gobble-gobble bass

"I Luh Ya Papi" video already did the tongue-in-cheek gaze-flipping. Laughing at the folks despairing for society's future though. It's butts, you'll live.

word

ha yeah, if anything this proves the subversive element of "Anaconda"

― The Reverend, Monday, September 8, 2014 2:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you havent even seen the video yet tho lol

Dudes this album is gonna have the exact same flaws as her others, let's just hope Carter V is like 2 of the good out of the four tracks that're allegedly gonna be on it. Wayne's the biggest influence on rap that you seen thus far he deserves to go out on top

Having grown up with 90s mtv I'm not surprised music videos use sexual content to gain attention (still, hadn't seen the honey-booty thing before) but that doesn't make it an irrelevant issue, same goes for sexism in rap lyrics. Maybe the booty theme can be empowering/liberating but as has been noticed this J-Lo/Iggy song doesn't seem to be doing that. I don't think Nicki is either, but I respect that a lot of people disagree with me.

It shouldn't be necessary, but I'll add the disclaimer that I'm not trying to say that Lopez' self presentation is immoral or wrong, only that I don't think its intention (whatever it may be) can be isolated from the context in which it's interpreted, and I don't think it will help a feminist cause.

Sorry for not just letting this one go, I don't know why I can't get it out of my head.

have you read the articles that feminists have written about "anaconda" or nah?

Naaahhh, that would be too difficult. Women are just bodies for me to be looking at. They don't inhabit those bodies, or have personal feelings about them. That's too much for my little brain to get my head around. It's all for my gaze. And if it makes me uncomfortable, that makes it BAD.

also it shouldn't need to be pointed out but positing "are boys wanking to this" as some sort of litmus test for feminist credentials is extremely dumb on many levels