the crow ost is the worst record i have ever heard

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I didn't want the world to see me.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 April 2007 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

he looked like a fat joan jett

xpost...maybe?

― strongohulkington, Thursday, 26 April 2007 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

gg dolls bassist comment: disgusting

but otm

bu they're rich as solomon, now, amirite?

― c@md3n, Thursday, 26 April 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

they're hawking their wares on qvc

― maura, Thursday, 26 April 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

the crow s/t track by track is actually pretty good. about 6 or 7 good songs on there.

because of the format and cause it all sounds so horribly disjointed, i never listen to it.

interesting to see radiohead, nick cave and mazzy star slutting around on sountracks so liberally

― Charlie Howard, Friday, 27 April 2007 05:38 (nineteen years ago)

lol that soundtrack was like my fave record in 4th grade. so many good memories of bouncing around in my room to my life with the thrill kill kult.

― the table is the table, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

You're surely not alone: you could call that whole 90s goth/industrial alternative undertow embarrassing in retrospect, but it seems to have been a way bigger influence on current pop music than plenty of its non-embarrassing contemporaries! Largely via Nine Inch Nails, but still. Especially back in the nu-metal days, that was totally Crow-style.

― nabisco, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

That reminds me -- who wants to try and pinpoint the exact moment when "the rock the young people listen to" swung from nu-metal to MySpace emo?

― nabisco, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

When the Strokes caused 9/11.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

when dashboard debuted at no. 2 in 2003

― strongohulkington, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

Good Christ, they did, didn't they.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

i swear someone did it earlier though

― strongohulkington, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Ha shit that's exactly right:

July 03 = MySpace launches
August 03 = The O.C. debuts
August 03 = Dashboard Confessional debuts at #2

― nabisco, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Honorary Pathbreaker Award to Jimmy Eat World for "The Middle" (2002)

― nabisco, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

2003 was some harmonic convergence shit

― strongohulkington, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

Honorary Transition Award to AFI for charting in spring of 03

― nabisco, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

Good thread.

― admrl, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Super Mega Ultra Honorary Award to ORGY for anticipating an entire decade's worth of rock trends with their cover of "Blue Monday" and associated video -- AHEAD OF THEIR TIME, man

― nabisco, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

thursday also debuted at no. 7 in 2003

― strongohulkington, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

I still love Big Empty!

― Hurting 2, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

Amir Derakh, we salute you and all who played badly with you

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― nabisco, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

Deadsy RIP ;_;

― David R., Friday, 27 April 2007 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

Even if it does include the phrases "Her dizzy head is conscience-laden" and "her name is what it means"

― Hurting 2, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

what about Staind? don't they get an award for something?

― Mr. Que, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

Least Annoying 4th-Gen Arena Grunge Knock-Off?

― David R., Friday, 27 April 2007 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to say "One-Armed Scissor" was the warning shot, but apparently it never charted. Seemed like it was on after-midnight MTV all the time in 2000 though.

― milo z, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

Thursday had huge buzz from that first album

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I'm trying to find charts to track the shift right now, and Staind are looking like a place-filler in there -- they don't fit either category at all, but I suppose moany grunge would be a decent mixtape transition between metal and emo.

Also important to 2002/2003 = Secret Contribution Award to the White Stripes for interesting fans in an indier direction, which surely helps lead to emo and O.C.-rock over metal

― nabisco, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Same for the Strokes, on a lower level. Though I dunno, I never listened to rock radio back then -- did any of their singles get enough play to make them more widely influential than their album sales might suggest?

― nabisco, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

Haha also we should totally be scanning the ILM archives from summer / fall 2003 and pitching in to buy a cookie for anyone who noted this EPIC SHIFT

― nabisco, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

I am not an emo fan but I thank god every day that MCR and Fall Out Boy have rid the airwaves of Godsmack and Drowning Pool.

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Staind TOTALLY fit the nu metal category, though! their first hit was called "Mudshovel" and their transition into power ballad hitmakers was signaled by a duet with Fred Durst recorded live on the Family Values tour, fer chrissakes.

― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I couldn't pick Staind apart from the rest of the nu-metal crowd.

Unless we want to make "BUZZ BALLADS" an official genre now, which can we please do just because?

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

x-post -- Yeah but I think all of those bands had to do that. The equivalent of kissing his ring. If you will.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

if anything the gateway to emo dominance was paved by pop punk mainstays like Blink 182 and Green Day. nu metal/post-grunge is and was for a totally different (and possibly older) audience, I think.

― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

i totally admit to thinking both dashboard and thursday were anomalies in 2003.

the first time i saw the "one-armed scissor" video was in the summer of 2000 on the monitors at macy's while i was shopping with my gf at the time.

― strongohulkington, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

i need to do a "how we got to nu-emo" chart now

― strongohulkington, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

yeah the constantly changing face of emo is fascinating to me. i mean is there any logic to a lineage that basically goes:

Rites Of Spring -> Sunny Day Real Estate -> Promise Ring -> Dashboard Confessional -> Fall Out Boy

?????

― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Durst discovered Staind, so that might be why they were palling around. It's not like Freddy gave Mudvayne or Drowning Pool his seal of approval or anything.

Alex, wha bout SUPERCHUNK?!?!?!?

― David R., Friday, 27 April 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

In 13 years I've never once thought (or cared) about the meaning of "Big Empty"'s lyrics.

― billstevejim, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

superchunk weren't emo!

― Mr. Que, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

xposts

I mostly feel the same way, but I think I enjoyed some of those tail-end metal one-hits more than a lot of nu-emo singles. It was all middle-aged weirdos in jumpsuits, very cool.

Honorable Crossover Mention goes to Breaking Benjamin: "Post-Grunge, New Metal, Emo -- We're Uniters, Not Dividers"

Blink-182 = totally agreed, yeah. Older/different audience is probably true, but that's like the whole point -- there was some demographic moment there where the older nu-metal kid's TRL voting base was replaced by the slightly younger sibling's emo one! I mean, lots of what's prized in emo seems like a progression from what was going on in the rock charts just before, and lots of what's prized seems like a reaction to what was gonig on just before.

Superchunk became retroactively honorary-emo when like the 2nd or 3rd wave of emo just happened to sound like old Superchunk

― nabisco, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

but yeah I definitely thought at the time that big chart debuts for Dashboard and Thursday were flukes...and really, they were, since they haven't really remained as popular since then...they might've set the stage for 'emo' of a sort to go multi-plat but the bands that did sound absolutely nothing like them.

(xpost yeah Superchunk weren't emo, but no 'Chunk, no Get Up Kids)

― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

oh man one-armed scissor i remember thinking that song was the shit

― and what, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

that was emo?? it sounded like talking heads

― and what, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

but no 'Chunk, no Get Up Kids

very very true!

― Mr. Que, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

I've actually been thinking about the lyrics to "Big Empty" a lot lately, because my girlfriend and I seem to hear it on the radio every time we'r ein the car together lately, and I recently had to explain to her that Weiland wasn't talking about a girl with a "daisy head".

― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

I remember around the time when "Take Me Out" and "Float On" came out, 99X started experimenting with its format and I actually heard them play a Polyphonic Spree song once (which was weird since in 2003 their playlist was like 90% Linkin Park, 10% Hoobastank) but then I think they rediscovered Audioslave and reigned things in a bit. But for a while there before that it sounded like things could go in any direction.

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

'Chunk might not be part of the actual A-to-B continuum, but they're definitely keeping the stars aligned (or something).

― David R., Friday, 27 April 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

HI DERE FIFTY FIVE X-POSTS

― David R., Friday, 27 April 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

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