Revolt of the ILX Brigade: New Post-Fahey Folk For PPL that post in the Takoma & Tompkin's Square Threads

Oh wow!! That silly looking guitar video is the exact one my former co-worker was watching when I said upthread that I started complaining! Of all the percussive acoustic videos on the net...

The main problem is, like "jam bands", this kind of playing seems to exist explicitly in order to nerd out about proficiency, forcing the actual melodies and atmosphere to take a backseat. As a result they end up fitting better as a soundtrack to an elevator ride than actually inspiring any emotion or depth musically.

my feeling was that these guys do care about the melody but invariably have a very maudlin taste for it, but on reflection yeah that kind of poor aesthetic judgement probably stems from it being very secondary in their practice.

i don't even hate chopsy playing all that much, i probably like some lamer stuff than a lot in this thread but yeah....god the actual technique...that WACK!-rolloff thing produces this kind of pinched choppy rhythmic quality that really grates on me, i can't even describe it...and yeah obv the melodies can be way saccharine

the gross plasticky tone gets to me too, are these £2k guitars really supposed to sound like that?

What the hell happened to the thread? Damn, I need to go listen to some Fushitsusha now or something, gotta get that sound outta my head.

we got complacent in our little post-fahey utopia, forgot that every thread goes to shit in the end

I work for a guitar company and so many people here love that type of playing. Tried to turn the &uild product manager on to Blackshaw since he usually exclusively plays &uild 12 strings but he was like "oh yeah hmm this is pretty good, reminds me of this one awesome youtube player guy......... andy mckee, you heard of him?"

Anyway I bought a really nice &uild 12 string a few weeks back and am looking forward to learning finger-style playing. M@tt you were my inspiration! You're the meaning in my life!

Let it be noted that UMS started the thread down this dark path, as well as created it. We are at the mercy of a fickle overlord ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy-fP2q8MBw

if there is any real post-hedges actualization, it's this guy, Keller Williams. plays concerts bare foot, used to have the same hair, and is a pretty good song writer when it comes down to it. something much more humble and kinda gritty about his playing than all of the other slapping bullshit. plus Keller has been around since the early 90s.

thing is, is that he is from the same town as jack rose, and has a huge huge Virginia/east coast jam band fan club. grandavis you've probably seen posts or mentions of him in charlottesville at some point maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La-QiWzwgOM

i've wanted to post this here for a bit, seems like a good moment to do so.

strange and delightful /maybe?/ to see these three guys play it in this way, on one hand it makes complete sense and fits right in so well. on the other its funny bc chet and john had such different audiences. prob the only instance you'll see pop-instrumental guitar jamming to a Fahey song.

best part though is Doc Watson's comment at the end, "I don't know what they call that, but that's about the best pickin thing I've ever gotten a hold of... it's not too complicated but you can find some goooood country runs in that thing. I mean them hillbilly kind."

shit, that's probably the best description of early fahey playing i've ever heard. kinda amazing to hear Doc say that though about Fahey, crazy.

haha, wow, what an amazing video, I couldn't even imagine such a thing. I wonder if kottke told fahey about that, you'd think he'd get a kick out of it.

I'm not sure if I ever posted this on the volk guitar of youtube thread or not but I thought this australian busker was taking the slap nonsense so far he is on the brink of going full circle and becoming great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XML3FpJ_B0

Yeah Neal, I am well aware of the Keller Williams Virginia ties/scene. Seems like a pretty harmless and maybe even pleasant enough dude/player, and that scene is certainly where the money is at. I imagine he is related to the "Keller Williams" real estate signage that litters all of Virginia as well. (cause I mean how many people are gonna name their kid Keller Williams?)

That Watson/Atkins/Kottke video is great. There is definitely something great about being able to play within a "tradition" and just sit down with a group of musicians and run through tunes and have fun with it.

Hah Ogmor yeah I see what you are saying. If he dropped some of the body slapping this would be pretty close to something I would dig (some great harmonics at times as opposed to just the lame/sacharine varitey). To be honest at times this comes close to Tashi Dorji territory here and there, and even parts of my own playing. I better check myself.

anyone want to help me navigate that discography?

― ogmor, Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:50 AM (Yesterday)

start with:

1. Fingering The Devil
2. The Unrock Tapes (a best-of compiled from various CDR editions)
3. Intermezzo

Polytheistic Fragments is good too

avoid Graviton Polarity Generator and Elecronika Demonica unless you like freaky atonal electronics

I gotta grab a few of those, keeping up with Sir Richard is tough. Never heard "The Unrock Tapes" or "Intermezzo".

Three Lobed announced the third member of their surprise band: Georgia Hubley. So Steve Gunn + W. Tyler + Georgia Hubley. Not hard to see where this is going, but it is suggested that there will be 6 people in the band. Very interested to see who that sixth person will be.

holy moly!

ira kaplan might just be too much

i know james mcnew is into steve gunn tho, he wrote a talkhouse piece about time off

I imagine that Ira may play it low-key here, but who knows? They could go in so many directions. What if the sixth member is a guitar player too?

xp yessss

https://www.facebook.com/kyl3stephenfosburgh/posts/700332033380156

maybe some people can see that? interesting discussion between about the decline of takoma from the big guns of the era. just replace the "3" in the FB username portion

yeah i saw that!

So...Old Familiar Chime fest had some bad news: Sir Richard Bishop had to cancel for a gig that was too lucrative to turn down in South America, bummer....

BUT....

they got Bill Orcutt to fly in from SF to fill in so that's pretty damn great!

and Steve Lowenthal of VDSQ and author of Dance of Death the new Fahey book is coming and will be doing 2 readings in the Twin Cities to coincide with the festival

Not a bad trade! Personally I have seen Bishop live a few times but never seen Orcutt, so I would be happy to get that chance. Such a good lineup overall too.

yeah i'm in the same boat, never seen orcutt and seen bishop 2 or 3 times...really amazing as a last minute replacement for sure

btw guys if you can possible see that facebook thread that global posted holy shit talk about some serious old school takoma bad blood and gossip......

I cannot :( oh well.

basically I assume that everybody hates each other

i can't see it either. i wouldn't be surprised at bad blood. would love to read a takoma records oral history book.

the former artists seem united in hatred towards the execs that took over from Fahey basically.....but lots of interesting nuggets

Improv experimentation with FCFGCG tuning!

https://soundcloud.com/factual-1/open

Found it by tuning each string randomly until it sounded good against the last one. I like how big it sounds. Kinda perfect for me to play around with after having just discovered Paris, Texas and its soundtrack.

i like it!!

Thanks!!

Nice Evan, sounds really good! Very pretty outro.

While on the home-team trip, Dying For Bad Music just posted another track Global's upcoming album, which two tracks in is sounding like a real keeper:

https://soundcloud.com/dyingforbadmusic/steve-palmer-cassini

Some nice set-the-sights-on-the-horizon drums/guitar action.

haha thanks man, definitely what i was going for, something widescreen with a lot of shifting textures. might be a little long in retrospect, but eh, whatever.

evan, this song is fantastic! totally love the improv feel of it and the atmosphere. excited to try this tuning out

Didn't feel that long to me Global, think the stretching-out aspect of it suits the sounds well. Gott let it ride sometimes.

awesome jam!!!
you have entered space metal territory :)

haha never woulda thought to associate metal with that, but i kinda like that. grandavis, i'm just in that stage where i'm second-guessing every little decision i made, so that could be part of it.

like this band has expansive krautrocky jams and they get lumped into the metal bin but they don't sound partic metal to me http://follakzoid.bandcamp.com/album/ii-2
your song def has some hawkwind in it though!

Thanks grandavis and global! It was literally an improv which is why it falls apart briefly after the midway point ha. If it were an actual "piece" I would have hit re-record a thousand times. Desperately trying to be a little more comfortable with mistakes and imperfection. Hoping it'll make recording less of a rare activity by inflicting psychological training tricks on myself.

Just jumping into global's track now!

Oh yeah, and I'm just so constantly bothered by my inability to find the right settings in garageband (with the m-box) to recreate the sound of my actual amp. I'd be MUCH more proud of it if it had that sound- individual notes don't muddy together as much. This last recording I did upon re-listening almost sounds like strumming in parts! Was not intended.

Also all of this pickiness can be attributed to a nice dosing of Dunning–Kruger effect I'm sure but even so it really truly does sound much much better out of my real amp.

global that jam is perfect. I love it.

yeah dude, that is really good.

and yours, too Evan! digging it.

y'all seriously this is my favorite thread on ilx at this present moment
it's full of encouragement, top notch jams, nice people, and no bs
bless you all