Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (2010)

I like Waka and hate Keef. They aint the same

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:01 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well yeah wasn't saying that

Waka def. has a "swag" also it's just not something I find appealing. Keef OTOH is swagless imo

Keef Otoh Swagless is the lead villain in the new Star Wars movie
/dadjoke

another general comparison but I feel the same way about Keef as I do about Juicy J (recent, not Three 6 knowledgeable besides a couple jams I dig) in that they're supposed to have this cool style that makes up for their lack of rapping ability, but their flow/voices are terrible & they're as boring as any conscious rap stereotype, just in different ways

Man if you ain't about Juicy J...gtfo

Juicy J has one of the greatest flows ever

why tho

his flow is the audio equivalent of thudding your head against the wall

And what exactly could be better than that?

I just feel like people judge quote unquote ignorant rap on a curve at this point, like an overreaction to the previous underground/backpacker mentality

I mean I dig Young Thug's music tons but that's cuz he's got style for days, some of these other guys it's just OK what am I getting out of this

but back to the subject Andre is def. better than Big Boi and anyone who thinks otherwise is cray, relisten to Andre's "Gangsta Shit" verse. shit even the "So Fresh, So Clean" verse where he raps 100% to the drum hits

Young Thug's on the Pitchfork list, so=middlebrow, maybe? And in reply to The Reverend way above I meant his approach/image is sort of sloppy, not his technique, tho I hadn't actually thought abt it it till you mentioned it

The Roots are true middle brow rap for naming an album after a Malcolm Gladwell book

Illadelph Half-life is by far my favorite Malcolm Gladwell book

Lmao at nova judging Juicy J w/o knowing 3-6

"I'm just saying, Ice Cube sucks...based on Are We There Yet?... Not familiar with NWA"

nova
Posted: August 20, 2014 at 12:10:30 AM

I feel the same way about Keef as I do about Juicy J in that their voices are terrible

not sure someone who doesnt have any ears is the best to judge this

i mean both of those guys have notably amazing voices and its a big part of how they operate

I'm confused - would liking Chief Keef make me highbrow or lowbrow

I think it depends on your reasons for liking him

As for what highbrow rap is, think Native Tongues stuff/Shabazz Palaces seems abt right

pfff try some immortal technique, learn something

http://i.imgur.com/cqVKrWh.jpg

Already know about chem trails thanks

tech n9ne is pretty cool, a lot more creative than most rappers today

As for what highbrow rap is, think Native Tongues stuff/Shabazz Palaces seems abt right

a classic example of highbrow rap:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTjt6bKlubQ

oi I meant "highbrow" in a purely "Could I think of some examples" way, there prob aren't any really (good)

Also that ws a cool track

tech n9ne is pretty cool, a lot more creative than most rappers today

― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:48 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

very creative

I don't know if it's by people not really listening to the actual music instead of just reacting to the idea of what "Native Tongues" represented or people not really understanding the context of hip hop at the time they were formed, but I find it really odd how some people talk about Native Tongues. They were very afrocentric and black pride but very far from what ppl's idea of "political rap" or "positive rap" is...at the time the striking thing about them wasn't really their politicalness, which was really expressed more through their general vibe and the way they presented themselves as part of a long line of slightly bohemian, jazz influenced black music....but the thing that distinguished them at the time from the Public Enemies and BDPs and NWAs and Too Shorts and Kool G Raps was a sense of playfulness, which had a lot of sex in in (a much less aggressive and maybe more female inclusive sexuality - monie love and latifah being a part of it obv) in stuff like Bonita Applebum and Buddy etc etc.....it was really more of a look at a slightly more "middle class" black rap culture, but it was also an extension - made the most explicit by the Jungle Borothers - of Afrika Bambaataa and the Zulu Nation - dancing and music and fun as a political statement and a form of resistance to both the power structures and the troubles of the neighborhoods they lived it.....was also represented in their look, the more colorful boho clothes, africa medallions etc (again they were de facto political IMO even when doing stuff like Buddy)....also referencing back to the jazz world, Ron Carter, etc...

I hate it when it's portrayed as some corny or overtly preachy "message" thing, it wasn't that at all. Public Enemy was more like that, but with Ferguson going on right now who the fuck is gonna tell Chuck he was wrong?

agree w all that

esp the middle class part

Great post upper, ws listening to Done By the Forces of Nature tonight and well put

altho lol @ the course this thread has taken we should just move this over to the rolling irrelevant rap bro thread

Depends if you think Sir Lucious Left Foot listeners of the future're going to be pissed

http://i.imgur.com/2bGUnk9.jpg

awww :) such cuties

young thug isn't middlebrow but there are aspects of his persona that def appeal to the (and middlebrow prob isn't even the best word for this) generic tastes of ppl who enjoy rap for its 'wacky characters' aspects instead of the music

the only people keef's buzz has disappeared w/ are media types, i mean the hottest rookie rapper of 2014 just got signed aping the GBE sound of two years ago

who dat?

the only people keef's buzz has disappeared w/ are media types, i mean the hottest rookie rapper of 2014 just got signed aping the GBE sound of two years ago

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya srsly get yr head out the hypecycle people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBXniiEgmMk xp

i watched an interview and they asked him where his hat went and he said "straight to the top" lol he is v charming

I like that song but less so this one, altho its Chicago derivativeness is way more evident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDy_LslMm4I

this stuff is not bad but yeah I find the beats/music totally boring

this is my own personal idiosyncrasy but the further rap moves away from funk rhythms usually the less I care about it on a strictly musical level. why because I am old and conservative now lol

tastes of ppl who enjoy rap for its 'wacky characters'

and idk if this is directed at me or not but Waka and Keef are not wacky characters...? they're def caricatures of a certain type

can u read? young thug, dude

and no, human beings are not caricatures

ok nm

Lmao at nova judging Juicy J w/o knowing 3-6

― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, August 20, 2014 5:28 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm not judging his career tho, i'm just saying I don't like his recent shit & I'd be cool never hearing "Dark Horse" again (that's not entirely his fault though)

young thug isn't middlebrow but there are aspects of his persona that def appeal to the (and middlebrow prob isn't even the best word for this) generic tastes of ppl who enjoy rap for its 'wacky characters' aspects instead of the music

the only people keef's buzz has disappeared w/ are media types, i mean the hottest rookie rapper of 2014 just got signed aping the GBE sound of two years ago

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:09 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok but isn't this always gonna be an element with left-field creative types, no real getting away from it

also I don't think finding some of dude's lyrics/delivery amusing or getting amped to the "wackier"/wilder elements of his flow/beats has to be condescending or ironic