Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (2010)

I think Em's following may be more characteristic of a metal band, unhip but large contingent of white dudes of a certain age, v loyal

colloquially, he's never stopped being played loudly from cars ime

i'm kind of intrigued by what djp says... why is it more difficult to rap like big boi?

― just sayin, Saturday, August 16, 2014 7:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

meter-wise, it isn't just that Big Boi raps fast, it's that he does this staccato thing where he often raps around the beat and throws pauses in at weird spots (his verse on "Gasoline Dreams" comes to mind) so that replicating it is more difficult because even though it sounds 'off' it's very precise.

with that being said, it isn't like Andre 3000 was any slouch in the meter dept either, and lyrically they both brought different things to the table in their primes for me.

Eminem seems like he's going from overrated to underrated as a rapper lately

― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 17 August 2014 03:52 (17 hours ago) Permalink

ehhh I get the "c'mon guys he's still rapping" sentiment especially on Relapse stupid accents and all, but there's so many problems with his music/delivery since his hiatus (there were before, just not as much) that it doesn't really matter

and I always say he's still real popular but completely disconnected from the center of the genre, I never hear his songs on urban radio. Maybe "Berzerk" once or twice after it dropped? Otherwise though it's just the obvious Rihanna crossover grabs on Top 40

...which are super successful in Top 40 terms! Best comparison, after that "worst reunion" thread, might be Weezer or something - the hiatus seemed huge at the time and the dropoff in quality is obvious, but if you weren't paying attention the hiatus now fades and the career just looks like "yeah, mid-tier guy, sells in big numbers for his age/peer group/etc." Not the megastar he was in 2002 but in a surprisingly good position all things considered.

Eminem sells massive numbers. There's a huge divide between the level of adulation and commercial success.

a lot of times big selling artists who are the worst type of shit possible will have that divide

em had his day in the sun tho
then he became a nu metal band

weird that that "Rap God" video has more views than any of Drake's songs.

MMLP2 sold more than any of Drake's albums too

I'm just saying if ppl think Em only was popular because of technical skills you don't remember how you could throw a dead cat in 2000 and hit a super skilled underground sub rawkus rhymesayers dude...Em did create a real persona

nah I don't think it's that. I own his first three albums I'm just generally not in the mindframe to listen to 'em these days, although SSLP has some funny-ass tracks

I do feel like the CURRENT Em stans emphasize how technically good he still is & it's like I don't give a shit, he rhymes like he's constipated & has garbage-ass hooks and beats

I think it's interesting whenever rap arguments devolve into discussing rappers' technical abilities bc it makes me think of the guitar virtuoso vs. alternarock slacker guitarist arguments of my youth and I wonder who the "sloppy but creative" rapper would be, like the analog of Grasshopper from Mercury Rev.

chief keef

only take away the "but creative" part

ODB

Bushwick Bill maybe

ODB is the correct answer

Young Thug, to nominate someone alive

only take away the "but creative" part

― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Monday, August 18, 2014 12:07 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

smh

of all the recent flash-in-the-pan rap cause celebres Chief Keef and Waka are by far the worst

*wild guitar solo*

*carefully transcribes rap opinions of people amped on big boi solo album*

its sad because dan and shakey have prob been waiting since the 90s for someone to take responsibility for rhyming over some mad ill atmospheric beats but then he doesnt do rappity rappity dang

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE5rpTDoUx0

sry i know u all prob had crazy keef wars a while ago i just never check this board

waka owns too

sry i know u all prob had crazy keef wars a while ago

we lost a lot of goons in the Hemiola battles of 2012

i don't really see waka and keef as being that similar

relistening to this now and it holds up well
it's not on this thread but i remember somebody put a great post about how janelle monae probably brought the album home all excited, queued it up to her track and there's an indelible conversation about teabagging forever prefacing her gentle ballad

Lol.

On a side note, some of Young Thug's stuff is pretty technical, just not in a traditional rappity rap way.

I love rappity rap.
I wish the D.O.C. hadn't gotten in that car accident :(

Waka and keef aren't that similar

Keef's more of a gucci disciple

well me and DJP agree on Keef that's cool

of all the recent flash-in-the-pan rap cause celebres Chief Keef and Waka are by far the worst

― Οὖτις, Monday, August 18, 2014 11:22 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

co-sign too

Kurt vile probably agrees with you

2 chains is not being given sufficient consideration itt

btw guys just because I said those two were the worst doesn't mean that they are bad in the same way

you are bad in the same way tho ha owned

waka and keef are pretty similar in a lot of ways tho

but in other ways they are not?

don't worry shakes Waka can do grumpy old man east coast rap too!!! Raekwon chop on the chorus and everything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3zukznO4TU

of all the recent flash-in-the-pan rap cause celebres Chief Keef and Waka are by far the worst

― Οὖτις, Monday, August 18, 2014 11:22 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

co-sign too

― nova, Monday, August 18, 2014 11:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

'flash in the pan'

waka went hard in the pan

lol

ew

of all the recent flash-in-the-pan rap cause celebres Chief Keef and Waka are by far the worst

― Οὖτις, Monday, August 18, 2014 11:22 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

co-sign too

― nova, Monday, August 18, 2014 11:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

'flash in the pan'

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 00:33 (3 hours ago) Permalink

fair enough, I just think dude's music sucks & there's other rappers who go for that vibe (GENERAL vibe mind, I'm not saying he's derivative) who do it way better

I mean Waka. Keef's buzz has faded a ton yeah? again though either way just not a fan, there's a point where rappers who aren't "traditionally" good don't actually have anything else to make up for/overcome it. dudes who're supposed to get over on swag/style/vibe who have none of those things imo.

When did this place get taken over by middlebrow rap fans?

since we started hanging out in a Big Boi solo album thread probably