ILM Top 100 2000-2004: ALBUMS

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XTRMNTR is great. The real crime here is an early Fiery Furnaces record over 'Justified'. I mean, is there a street team on here or something? I haven't even heard of that record (though I will check it out). And Sleater Kinney? Are you serious? We're people just filling out their ballots with records they'd heard of??

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

people thought it was the '90s one cos you'd think that'd come first

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think I could listen to even half of XTRMNTR without putting on something else. Overblown, awful mess.

Bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

S-K was my #1 pick and I'm not about to not choose it for reasons that exist in other peoples' heads.

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I would've picked 'Keep Your Dreams' as a personal fave off XTRMNTR...it's their best 'ballad', tho Bobby's not particularly interesting on it

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Such fun ... I am so glad I nominated XTRMNTR!

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

*tries to judge what Spencer's actual level of surprise is*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

For the Sleater Kinney record? I *am* surprised. I'd guess that it's a decent enough record (perhaps even very good), but I don't recall very much ILM discussion about it (apart from seeing them as ancillary to Greil Marcus threads).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer might have a point -- Tom's big Best of 2002 poll, I think I was one of two people who voted big for One Beat (though I might be thinking of a different album).

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I was thinking that about Fugazi's Argument as well. The original ILM thread about it in 2001 has about 10 posts. (maybe 3 of which actually praise the album.) (fwiw fugazi was one of my favorite bands in the mid 90's.) (and yes, obv ILM 2001 =/= nu-nu-post-indie guilt-ILM '04.

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

One Beat was regarded as pretty weak in some circles, I suppose, considering how every time I mention that I voted for it (be on the noize board or elsewhere) I get someone saying "zuh?! corny indie etc etc!"

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Link to the 2002 poll? And any others like it?

Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

The ILX Readers Poll 2002 - RECORDS OF THE YEAR

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)


The ILX Readers Poll 2002 - RECORDS OF THE YEAR

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

great minds think alike

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

So who was the other person who voted for SK there?

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how that 2002 poll shatters the "ILM is more indie now than it used to be" myth.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ilm = fork?

1. album lists inevitably more pitchfork-y / r-word than singles lists, nobody listens to albums anymore anyways
2. fabled "good old days" of ilm like 01 basically, indie by end of 02
3. pitchfork and similar (marginally) more pro-pop over last 5 years so token presence of say justin album would be unshocking on a fork list, not so a few years ago
4. corny ass lurkers be reading the fork

artiste (artiste), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

You saying crabs read PFM?

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

'Textstar' is good, but I wonder when's the last time any ILXor listened to it!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)

As a relative newcomer to ILM who likes everything from blue note jazz to experimental to 70's folk to indie to prog rock to metal - the only thing I can acscertain about the popularity of indie rock on ILM is that the genre is becoming more popular on the whole. And I'm trying to resist attributing this to the dreaded p/fork, ie, hoping there's case for any popularity being otherwise based. Like i dunno, the bands, the music?

If you hate indie and you live on ILM then more power to you because you can bitch and moan and feel above it all. Incidentally I hate indie when the fucking performances are out of tune and amateurism is the order of the day. I would doubt, though, that the indie bands/artists that make the ILM top 50 or top 10 or whatever reside in this bracket. With the excpetion of Sleater Kinney.

*ducks*

piers (piers), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I love much indie and always have (except for some of the 90s when I could care less), I just think many ILM types recoil at whatever they think indie represents, tries to represent, or is thought to be represented by some indie fans. My aversion to some indie is I think similar to yours - I feel that many purveyors practice a self-imposed sonic conservatism borne out of a stultifying worship of authenticity and presence.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:59 (twenty-one years ago)

from comments on the all time ilm poll--
i really don't like the implications of saying 'too white'. more like 'too indie rock'. but yeah, where the hell is the rap? and not paul's overrated beck-sounding boutique either.

-- ethan (epadget...), May 19th, 2001.

Yeah Ethan, too 'indie rock' is better. (...and if only Beck made some approaching "P's B." he would be tolerable.)

anyway another plus: Weezer (might be irritating-as-fuck but a bit of fresh air as an utterly non-canon choice.) no Leftfield.

erm...where's Destiny's Child ;)

-- Omar (o.muno...), May 19th, 2001.

the thing i find most interesting about this list is that, given the amount of canon-bashing and the prevelance of sniffy attitudes towards magazine polls, how completely it conforms to the standard rock canon. take out the singles (Britney etc) and it could have been lifted straight from Q or Mojo.

-- Wyndham Earl (wyndham_ear...), September 21st, 2002.

Have 20. I would vote so differently now. I think the final list would be way less indie now.

-- sundar subramanian (sundar_subramanian200...), March 10th, 2003. (sundar)

i think it would be even more indie now

-- gareth (garet...), March 10th, 2003. (gareth)

keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ILM is busted!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer - I hear you about how ILM might see indie fans as uneducated 19 yr olds or poseurs or hipsters or worse, but that precludes normal music fans, and is ultimately another hopeless generalisation. I struggle with it too. In Sydney you go to an "important" indie show and you do often get the whole cooler than school crowd, but I try my best to ignore it and enjoy the band - if they play professionally that is ;)

I imagine the same thing happens in London, New York, San Francisco, Barcelona - wherever.

piers (piers), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i just erased my bitchy comment about how everybody was bitching.
yay, me.
Listen, I know we're doing a CDR of the singles; anybody want to take the incredibly difficult step of pulling, say, the top five tracks off the top 100 albums for a five disc set of the best albums?
Or should I just go buy all this?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how that 2002 poll shatters the "ILM is more indie now than it used to be" myth.

Oh, the rot had firmly set in by 2002...

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 06:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, the rot had firmly set in by 2002...

ILM 2001
http://www.sergioleone.net/mt-2.jpg

ILM 2002
http://www.tumbaabierta.com/cripta/img/fulci_zombie.jpg

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

RE: One Beat

For me it's only about the fourth best SK album, which is probably why relatively little discussion at the time, but it's the only one eligible to be voted for, hence the high number of votes.

Fugazi'a Argument is a similar thing, it is one of their best albums, but not vastly devaint or better than what went before, so not a lot of talk.

I think people are confusing 'good music' with 'good music to talk about'.

(It should be clear for example, that terrible music is often great to talk about)

mei (mei), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

(Hence the amount of discussion about The Smiths, U2, Dave Matthews Band etc.)

mei (mei), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

;-)

mei (mei), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

'deviant'

mei (mei), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 08:30 (twenty-one years ago)

After getting drunk with Tico Tico last night I can offer no further speculation on this list.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 08:31 (twenty-one years ago)

bah

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)


No. 29

Points: 466
No. of votes: 32 (!)
No. of #1 votes: 0 (!)

Artist: THE YEAH YEAH YEAHS
Title: FEVER TO TELL
Label: Polydor
Year: 2003

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/fevertotell.jpg

Highest number of votes so far, but no top scores for Karen and co.


Comments: The praise heaped on "maps" is deserving. its a good song, and a believable lyric, too. beyond that, though, and when i can push past my paranoia that not having a bass AND moving quickly to a major label automatically means HOLLOW, i am delighted with the myriad pleasures to be had on fever to tell. "date with the night", "man", "tick", and especially "pin" and "y control" are convincing and finished, even while retaining the broken-pink-and black-plastic sound that the YYY's seemed interested in pursuing. Pete S

Recommended tracks: Maps, Pin, Y Control

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:11 (twenty-one years ago)

No. 28

Points: 469
No. of votes: 17
No. of #1 votes: 5

Artist: BROKEN SOCIAL SCENE
Title: YOU FORGOT IT IN PEOPLE
Label: Mercury
Year: 2003

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/youforgotitinpeople.jpg


Comments: Amazing song 'kc accidental'. On first listening, this Broken Spcial Scene song, just these fucking aggravated drums drumming with pure melodic guitar noise.. sensational song and album. Not the U2 of indie rock as some would say but a fresh sounding crafted pop surprise from noise appreciators, cascading brilliantly at once with energetic rhthyms, aching meoldy and exploding guitars. piers

Recommended tracks: Cause=Time, KC Accidental, Stars And Sons, Almost Crimes

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Maps is way over-reated, but YYYs aren't.

mei (mei), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I love maps but strangley it's still the only YYY song I've heard, is anything on the album nearly as good?

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Maps and the two songs following it on the album are stellar, the rest is pretty crappy.

Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

hmmm, slsk here I come then

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

'Pin' is great and also it's really short which lately I am considering a huge bonus often with songs.

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"Date With The Night" is like the most underrated YYYs song, I think it's still my favourite but no one ever talks about it.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)

No. 27

Points: 479
No. of votes: 20
No. of #1 votes: 1

Artist: THE NOTWIST
Title: NEON GOLDEN
Label: City Slang
Year: 2002

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/neongolden.jpg


Comments: "Neon Golden" is brilliant, blending (horrible word, sorry) old, acoustic instruments with bleeps and stuff from instruments I can't make out, but hell, it does the job for me. People who liked "Shrink" will love this one, as it is better, the ingredients are now put together in the right proportion (not being English, I have my doubts about that last sentence...) Listen to it, enjoy it! Willem

Recommended tracks: Pilot, Pick Up The Phone, Neon Golden, Off The Rail

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i really love the notwist album, but this is not the list i had envisioned!

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

hey...stop...where are you taking me?...who are these men in the white coats?...

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

No. 26

Points: 486
No. of votes: 26
No. of #1 votes: 4

Artist: N.E.R.D.
Title: IN SEARCH OF...
Label: Virgin America
Year: 2002

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/insearchof.jpg


Comments: Obviously we\'re all sick of Pharrell\'s falsetto now, but then...

I guess there are reference points for something like Bobby James, but I felt like it was totally unprecedented, so fresh. The whole album really collapses all those soft/hard male/female things both lyrically (dreamy hippy bullshit intertwined around playa fantasy porn/violent scenarios) and sonically. Beautiful record.

(btw I mean the programmed version, not the one with Spymob)
Jamie

Recommended tracks: Lapdance, Bobby James, Provider, Stay Together

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

No. 25

Points: 494
No. of votes: 26
No. of #1 votes: 1

Artist: GHOSTFACE KILLAH
Title: SUPREME CLIENTELE
Label: Epic
Year: 2000

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/supremeclientele.gif


Comments: Judging Ghostface by normal human standards is a mug's game. He's garrulously prolific (there's probably more bootleg b-sides comps than real albums at this point.) He's also generally a law and a world unto himself: hip-hop is the framework on which he hangs his weepy narratives, pop-cult cut-ups, dada delight in the sheer sound of words, the act of forcing breath across the lips. (He's also capable of straightforward reporting and maybe even a hook when he wants to be, proving thankfully that he's not just some
orange rhyming dictionary in a purple suede robe.) Like any new language, at first it all sounds "the same." But immerse yourself, and suddenly it's like the inner workings of "hip-hop" are being laid bare for you: dense internal rhymes, sometimes collapsing or twisting several times over a bar, rock solid beats, and old format soul jewels that still shine like they day they were first loaded into the tomb at the dawn of the 70s. Does it mean anything? Does "Surfin Bird"? Supreme Clientele is so far and away the best Wu solo joint its not even funny. What else are you going to stack against it? Tical? Nigga Please? The only things that come close are Cuban Linx, Liquid Swords, and the first ODB. (Okay the ODB cheapie best-of kills all comers, but I'm trying to be fair here.) What other album would make Jack Kirby and Spike Lee equally happy? Jess

Recommended tracks: Nutmeg, One, Apollo Kids, Malcolm

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

By which I just meant that it's 'pretty' and 'tuff'.

From the Neptunes productions I'd heard at that point, it was such a surprise to hear Bobby James. It was 'wuh?'.

I thought NERD might place lower due to the godawful 'She wants to move' and general Pharrell overexposure so 26 ain't bad.

Ghostface invoked brilliantly by Jess there, although I actually prefer Ironman. What about all the bootleg mixtapes out there- what's good?

Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

No. 24

Points: 513
No. of votes: 27
No. of #1 votes: 2

Artist: SIGUR ROS
Title: AGAETIS BYRJUN
Label: Fat Cat
Year: 2000

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/agaetisbyrjun.jpg


Comments: They're one of my favorite bands, not cause of some trendy shit or whatever...cause their music makes me feel good. It makes me feel like I'm floating on a comet at light-speed through the vacuum of space. It makes me feel like I was having sex and the orgasm decided to continue on indefinitely. It makes me feel in touch with The Universe in ways going to church never did. Nickalicious

Recommended tracks: Svefn-g-englar, Staralfur, Ny Batteri

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick's comment from Sigur Ros thread (for random Googlers only)

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)


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