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damn his sexy hide.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 25 April 2005 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Here is one of those Gal Costa albums, the one that begins with "Não Identificado". If someone could advise on how to distinguish between the two 1969 s/t Costa albums--were they on different labels, was one released before the other, etc.--I'd appreciate it (for purposes of labeling).

― These Robust Cookies (Robust Cookies), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

the one you posted is this one. the one from the tropicalia box set.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf400/f414/f41436lfm5j.jpg

i want the other mercury one

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, shakey, i have the one posted upthread, along with like 8 cds i owe you

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I know it is that one. I have the cd, so I can see the cover, and got it as part of the tropicalia box set. But I was wondering, originally were they released on different labels, or was one at least released before the other? Looking at AMG and Slipcue I can't figure it out. The Tropicalia box is a pretty recent thing.

Shakey had requested both of the Gal Costa albums, that's why I ysi'd it.

― These Robust Cookies (Robust Cookies), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah Jaxon we gotta hook up - all that Funkadelic stuff I copied is sitting by my record player waiting for you.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

same label. the one you posted was put out first.

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

haha. i'm not even listening to funkadelic right now. (and i finally found a really cheap copy of Atomic Dog)

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

(btw I have since received a copy of Pacific Ocean Blue from a kindly ILXer - you still have a bunch of other shit I want tho! Alice Coltrane, etc)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

Dusty Groove has the Gal Costa album above (pic with the boa, w/ "Nao Identificado") in stock right now. I've been trying to get a hold of it for a while. It's really amazing.

― Keith C (lync0), Monday, 19 September 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

i went to dusty groove just last month while i was in chicago for a bit and picked up the second Gal Coasta s/t album. it's way rockier and way trippier. i also picked up Os Brazoes - s/t. They're the backing band on the Gal Costa discs. and Rogerio Duprat - A Banda Tropicalista do Duprat. he did the production and arrangements on most of the early Tropicalia albums. it's not really what i expected. it's almost like a loungy, soft pop, happy-go-lucky record. only a bit of fuzz and effects.

― Jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 19 September 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

I just got the Rogerio Duprat thing and I'm liking it. I know it doesn't sound exactly like what Tropicalia is supposed to sound like- although it does have yet another version of "Baby," doesn't it?- but that has been my experience with recordings by every one of the associated artists- despite how large its legend looms now, Tropicalia seems to have lasted all of five minutes. One thing to note, the CD I got on el/cherry red sounds like the master tapes had been left under water, or else they couldn't find the tapes and just used on old LP. I do like the weird juxtaposition of songs, it has "Judy in Disguise," Bobby Goldsboro's "Honey," Johnny Rivers' "Summer Rain" AND "Chega de Saudade." That's in the spirit of Tropicalia, isn't it? My favorite so far is Os Mutantes doing The Cowsills' "The Rain, The Park and Other Things."

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Os Mutantes - Technicolor has a bunch of their songs in english. Fairly sweet.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

This week I went ahead and ordered the 2nd s/t Gal Costa CD (same one Jaxon refers to) and the first s/t Caetano CD from Dusty Groove, so if you're anyone's looking for those don't use GEMM or anything like that. I'm hoping they add the Mutantes CDs at some point, because those are fetching serious cash on the secondary market right now, it's a crime I tell ya.

― Keith C (lync0), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

At least first 3 Os Mutantes, which I've got(on omplatten), are good-to-great. (Supposedly, they got[gradually] more into generic prog later, esp after Rita bailed.) Also, the Everything Is Possible anth on Luaka Bop, though could have been better, is representative enough. (And has good tracks that aren't on my other 3). Far as I can tell, Tom Ze is the only Tropicalista to really keep the orig. Tropicalia spirit vivacious. Although, even xgau, who's gen kinda-sorta re Veloso, likes A Foreign Sound, which I haven't heard, but it's more consistently mellow than Tropicalia, isn't it? Now, as far as *non* Tlistas who push themselves and audience, check the (sometimes specically "anti-Trop" )postpunks and others on Nao Wave and Sexual Lives Of Savages comps, which Simon vued in Voice. (Yeah, they think they're so anti--like Pistols doing a Monkees song, and doing it seriously, and Ballocks just happened to be produced by Chris Thomas)Also, Carlinhos Brown, back and forth from Starbucks' faves Tribalistas to recording with mad Max Caveleras, and the late great hiphopologist Chico Science, with N. Zumbi (who are still around, but haven't heard them without him)I had no prob with CV's Tropical Truths! Very illuminating, personal and overview. If his music is a little eh cos he was busy over the years with his notes for this, well that's vindicated now CV!

― don, Friday, 23 September 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

been doing some investigatin' today.

chico buarque construcao from '71 - the tile track is arranged by duprat.

bbc radio 3's mixing it interviews os mutantes sergio dias! - the programme is being broadcast as i type - followed by a gig he played in london last month. the prog is available for another week.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 23 September 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

I love tropicalia; I think Veloso is way overrated. not pop enuff for me. I listed "Foreign Sound" in my top ten pazz/jop last year, but now...well, it's kinda not really as great as I thought. the cover of "Come as You Are" is great. guess I was fooled. it seemed significant and great at the time.

anyway, the Hip-O comp is all the tropicalia any normal person needs, I think; but I have to hear Mutants do "Judy in the Skies." I love Carlinhos Brown's "alfagamabetizado" album; the one after that, "Ahmet Ertegun Man" or whatever, was ultimately a failed experiment in trying to be Nilsson or John Lennon--I mean fascinating in a way, but it didn't quite come across. Big points for audacity. and the Tom Ze albums Se o caso é chorar and Estudando o samba from mid-70s are him at his least "experimental" and just plain charming. Very good.

― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 24 September 2005 03:15 (twenty years ago)

"Estudando o samba" never fails to astound people when I play it for them.

My current favorites are Milton Nascimento's "Clube da Esquina" and the Arthur Verocai album that was reissued a year or so back.

― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Saturday, 24 September 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)

Um, Os Mutantes don't do "Judy In The Skies," that's just an instrumental track with the anonymous studio orchestra. It's kind of cool, though. And there is a cuica thrown in there somewhere for good Brazilian measure.

― k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 24 September 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

Oh...too bad it isn't Mutantes doing John Fred. It still sounds great. Another thing to put on my list.

― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 24 September 2005 10:36 (twenty years ago)

the Duprat album is intriguing, more Spike Jones on "Judy in Disguise" yet more David Axelrod on the instrumental version of "Baby." Os Mutantes appearances are just alright, but god, the transfer is one of the most hideous I've ever heard, the high frequencies just squished into a soggy pancake.
and for whatever reason, I had stopped listening to Caetano Veloso after Araca Azul, but just recently picked up the spare and lovely Joia, and will no doubt grab Transa in the near-future.
and for whoever is into Club de Esquina, you must check out the Lo Borges record (with sneakers). deliriously compact (most songs under 2 minutes) with precise rhythmic twists and astounding arrangements.

― Beta (abeta), Saturday, 24 September 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Anyone deep into this stuff should definitely read Brutality Garden: Tropicalia and the Emergence of A Brazilian Counterculture by Christopher Dunn. It was his Ph.D. thesis, but a good read, only 214 pages not including notes.

― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Saturday, 24 September 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

well fuck I go away for a couple weeks and the Gal albums come back into print and go out of stock while I'm away. Bah. Only managed to get one just now off Dusty Groove.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 24 September 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

Beta's description of the album in question gives a pretty good picture of it.

― k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 24 September 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Charles Perrone's translation of Caetano Veloso's "Alegria Alegria" (possibly the greatest song of the sixties?):

Walking straight into the wind
Nothing to tie me down, no particular place to go
In the nearly December sun, I'm on my way
The sun scatters into guerillas, spaceships, crimes
Into lovely Claudia Cardinales, I'm on my way
Into presidents' faces, big loving kisses
Into teeth, legs, flags, bombs, and Brigitte Bardot
The sun at the newsstand fills me with joy and laziness
Who reads all this news?
I'm headed into photos and names, colors filling my eyes
My heart full of vain love, I'm on my way, why not? Why not?

She thinks about getting married
I never went back to school, I'm on my way
Nothing to tie me down, no particular place to go
I drink a Coca-Cola, she thinks about a wedding
A song consoles me, I'm headed
Into photos and names with no books or rifles
No hunger, no phone in the heart of Brazil
She doesn't know I even thought of singing on TV
The sun is so lovely
Nothing to tie me down, I'm on my way, empty pockets, empty-handed
I want to go on living love, I'm on my way, why not? Why not?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 25 September 2005 03:51 (twenty years ago)

Guess I shouldn't be reading this while listening to Neil Young's new "Prarie Wind," but kinda fits, in a sinister way. (Evening sun, birds flying home, horns like a guard tower turning, wirey guitar, tricky rhythms all around,"like a new car sittin' in an open garage...prairie wind blowin' all through my head.") Ge' a job, CV

― don, Sunday, 25 September 2005 04:01 (twenty years ago)

One more Veloso tune, "Tropicalia":

Over my head the aeroplanes/Under my feet the trucks and trains
And pointing out the highland plains/Is my nose
I organize the movement, too/I lead the carnival; I'm who
Inaugurates the monument in the midwest of a country in a pose

Long live the Bossa-sa-sa! Long live the stra-stra-straw huts!

The monument is crepe paper and silver/The "green-eyed mulatta"
Hides the "backland moonlight" with her hair behind the forest
The monument has no door/An entrance is an old crooked narrow street
And on its knee a smiling ugly dead child sticks out his hand

Long live the forest la-la-land! Long live the mulatta-ta-ta!

In the courtyard there's a swimming pool/With blue waters from Bahia
The coconut trees speak and the Northeastern breeze and lighthouses
In its right hand it has a rose bush/Authenticating the eternal spring
And in the garden the vultures stroll all day amongst the sunflowers

Long live Maria-ia-ia! Long live Bahia-ia-ia!

On its left wrist a Western shoot-out/In its veins little blood runs
But its heart swings to samba's tambourine
It emits dissonant chords/Over five thousand loudspeakers
Ladies and gentlemen, it sets its big eyes on me

Long live Iracema-ma-ma! Long live Ipanema-ma-ma!

Sunday the "Best of Bossa" is on/Monday is blue Monday for him
Tuesday he's down on the farm, however/The monument is very modern
It didn't say anything about the pattern of my new suit
"To hell with everything else" my dear

Long live "A Banda"-da-da! Carmen Miranda-da-da
Long live "A Banda"-da-da! Carmen Miranda-da-da
Long live "A Banda"-da-da! Carmen Miranda-da-da

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 25 September 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)

Apparently, "Alegria Alegria" was used as the the theme song for some popular Brazilian tv series from the eighties or nineties, I think? A show set in the sixties?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 25 September 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

Almost forgot to mention this:

Tropicalia: A Revolution in Brazilian Culture
October 22, 2005 – January 8, 2006
Museum of Contemporary Art, 220 East Chicago Avenue

Brazilian art. Design. Film. Dance. Revolutionary music.
Tropicalia, one of the most significant cultural movements to emerge from South America in the last five decades, marked a true revolution in Brazilian music, visual arts, theater, and cinema, while also influencing advertising, fashion, and television. Inspired by the writings of Oswald de Andrade, one of the founding figures of Brazilian modernism, the movement took its name from an installation created in 1967 by the young Brazilian artist Hélio Oiticica, whose work embraced an aesthetic of informality, interactivity, and cultural hybridity. Tropicália also became the title of one of the most celebrated albums in Brazilian music history, featuring Caetano Veloso and others.

This exhibition revisits this seminal moment in Brazilian culture, examining tropicalismo as a true force in popular culture and a continuing source of inspiration for several generations of artists, writers, and musicians. It consists of major works from the 1967 re-creation of the original New Brazilian Objectivity exhibition, and works by numerous artists including Lygia Clark, Lygia Pape, and Antônio Dias; a survey of films; excerpts from concerts by the tropicalist musicians; and examples of advertising, fashion, television clips, and artist-designed theater sets. The historical component is complemented by a contemporary section that assesses the impact of tropicalismo on contemporary art and culture. New commissions by musicians and artists include works by Arto Lindsay, Marepe, Ernesto Neto, Rivane Neuenschwander, and Dominique Gonzalez-Foerster, among others.

Guest-curated by New York-based independent curator Carlos Basualdo, this exhibition is co-organized by the MCA, Chicago, and The Bronx Museum of the Arts, New York. The MCA presentation is coordinated by Assistant Curator Julie Rodrigues Widholm.

Tropicalia website

― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

six months pass...

found a copy of the CD reissue of Mutantes' second album - so a whole year later after starting this thread, I've finally collected my prospective "canon". Now I need to decide whether I should bother locating the Comedia Del Arte thing, Ze's Grande Liquidacao, or any of the other offshoots (the Rogerio Duprat album's available from Dusty Groove, but I dunno if I'm really interested).

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 April 2006 16:17 (twenty years ago)

ZE!

― Jack Cole (jackcole), Monday, 3 April 2006 16:29 (twenty years ago)

Grande Liquidacao is really good. but more of a bossa/samba/mbp kinda thing than straight up Tropicalia. no electric guitars, no weird experimentalism.

Rogerio Duprat's album isn't that good. well, maybe it is, but it's not really what i was expecting. it's more of a lounge album. there are some tripped out moments on it and some nice funky drums, but i've only listened to it once or twice.

not sure what the Comedia Del Arte thing is you're talking about. if you want some of the freakier tropicalia albums, you should get the second s/t Gal Costa, the Gilberto Gil's
1969" (wicked trippy), or the Os Brazoes s/t cd (backing band on the first few Costa cds)

― team jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 3 April 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

i have such a big http://www.xsorbit27.com/images/star-heart.gif for gilberto gil right now

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 3 April 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

JaXoN OTM about the Duprat album, but I think I like it more than he does.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 April 2006 16:40 (twenty years ago)

"not sure what the Comedia Del Arte thing is you're talking about."

uh, don't mind me, I had the title wrong: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:q2ja7ia2g78r

"you should get the second s/t Gal Costa, the Gilberto Gil's 1969" (wicked trippy)"

Got those.

"the Os Brazoes s/t cd (backing band on the first few Costa cds)"

never even heard of this...? I don't remember these guys getting a mention in Tropical Truth.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 April 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

uh, don't mind me, I had the title wrong: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:q2ja7ia2g78r

oh, the third mutantes album. definitely pick this up. it's super silly.

you can get the Os Brazoes cd at dusty

― team jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 3 April 2006 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Probably the next step, if you haven't begun already, would be to start checking out the major tropicalia players' 70's albums. Caetano's acoustic exile-period self titled album (and Gil's, which might be even better I think), Transa, and Araca Azul all carry on the experimental feel of Tropicalia, if not the explicit sound. And Gal Costa's India album is my favorite of hers and one of my favorites of all time.

― whenuweremine (whenuweremine), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 00:59 (twenty years ago)

. Caetano's acoustic exile-period self titled album which you forgot to mention is all in english. it's pretty great.

― team jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 01:28 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...

been on a tropicalia kick lately, these have BLOWN MY MIND:

Tom Ze - Estudando O Samba
Gilberto Gil - Expresso 222
Gilberto Gil/Jorge Ben - Gil e Jorge
Som Imaginario - s/t and mantaco do porto

― fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Saturday, 23 September 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

nine months pass...

I've been devouring this stuff lately. The Soul Jazz comp got me going last year and since then I've picked up the first five Os Mutantes, Rita Lee's second album (possibly pick of the bunch), Africa Brazil by Jorge Ben, Lobo by Edu Lobo, the Som Imaginario, Gil e Jorge, Caetano Veloso's self-titled, Gilberto Gil's self-titled... I think that's about it. It's pretty much all fantastic.

― Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 09:43 (eighteen years ago)

Going by what Beta says, this might be post-Tropicalia, but Via Lactea, the follow-up to Lo the Borges sneakers album (how cool is that cover!?), also has some great, great, dreamy arrangements and accompaniment. So good. Also has a different version of Club de Esquina, although I can't say if it's better or worse than the original, as I haven't heard it...

― gnarly sceptre, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 11:15 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, Lo Borges and his chums from Minas Gerais were not tropicalistas, but I love love love that whole "dreamy" sound, as you describe it, gnarly. Clube da Esquina 2 (from 1978) by Milton Nascimento is simply one of my favourite albums ever.

― Daniel Giraffe, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

I want the sneakers album!
http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s91649.jpg

Check out Vento de Maio from La Via Lactea... his voice and the guitar, oh oh oh oh oh. Apparently his sister sings on it too.

― gnarly sceptre, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

The sneakers album is going for £95 secondhand on Amazon.

― Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

Or $19.99 on ebay.

― gnarly sceptre, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 13:37 (eighteen years ago)

Hahahaha!

― Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

Does Louis Jagger like Os Mutantes?

― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 5 July 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

Nick, if you run across any of the earlier Gal Costa albums, I recommend them as well.

― mitya, Thursday, 5 July 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

Aye, I've had a browse around but they're either not available or else expensive as hell.

― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 5 July 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

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