Oneida -- You'e having a laugh

Missed that tour, unfortunately. I saw them in Charlottesville with bass/guitar/keyboard drones, and it was great. Nathan Bowles was the drum partner (on this tour both drummes, i.e. Kid and Nathan, played single-stroke rolls the ENTIRE set, about 40 minutes straight without pausing). Mike Gangloff (Nathan and Mike both play in Pelt amongst many other great bands/solo incarnations) played keyboards. It was heavy as hell in a beautiful monolithic repetitive way.
― grandavis, Monday, July 21, 2014 9:58 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this sounds so rad

movers: "where should we put this desk?"
NA: "You've got to look into the LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT"

Hah hah hah! A+ Tyler.

Global, that show was truly great, and the faces Nathan was making by minute 30 or so of playing single-stroke rolls were amazing. I cannot imagine what that would be like.

Alternate version:

movers: "where should we put this desk?"
NA: "Just put it over there to the RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT"

lol

movers: "where should we put this desk?"
NA: (25-minute keyboard drone punctuated with wordless chanting and tom-tom thumps)

haaaaahaha
cannot even remotely imagine minute 10 of single stroke roll much less 30 or 40
wtf

so stoked

if you're in PA (or anywhere near PA) the philly show with chris forsyth would be amazing too.

Yeah man that is just a killer bill. Wish I lived a little closer to Philly.

the man forever/so percussion show here was amazing

I had told myself that the all-percussion version of Man Forever would not be as interesting, but really I am sure it was. Sorry I missed it but just couldn't make it when they swung through. Glad this project keeps morphing and moving forward, Kid is a good guy.

movers: "where should we put this desk?"
NA: "You've got to look into the LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT"

― tylerw, Monday, July 21, 2014 10:23 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not really feeling that "Cedars" song so much from the live set. Found the vocals distracting and not interesting enough to warrant the repetition. Some of the music was all right, but have enjoyed the rest of the set a lot more so far.

One of my favourite Oneida anecdotes: " I feel like we played somewhere like Chattanooga, where there was almost no one at the bar, and there was a carnival in town. So at the bar were these scrappy old carnies, like scary dudes with one tooth and a wild look in their eyes. Not a ton of people, I’m talking 15 dudes from a carnival (laughs). And maybe two other people, a bartender, three fans, and the band we were touring with. So we went up there and played this song for 15 minutes, and I think it pissed them off but also made them happy. I remember them stomping around the room thinking we were saying “die, die, die,” these crazy old hillbilly carny men going “die, die, die,” doing Monty Python style goose-stepping walks around the room.

That is a good anecdote! Can picture the scene very clearly.

Last song in that set, "You Get Brighter", definitely the highlight for me.

woah, they finally pulled off that ISB cover?! Crazy, I have to listen to that.
They talked about covering that song like 15 years ago.

Bobby really wanted a harpsichord iirc.
lol this doesn't sound anything like the incredible string band song.

a cover in the loosest possible definition of the term.

Bummed that I don't get to see them w/ CAVE, but super psyched to see them a few minutes from where I reside in Indianapolis. Haven't seen them live since...Terrastock 2008?

haha I rolled in to that just after they finished and Ned, Elvis and others were staggering out of the inside room blabbering in disblief

so bummed I missed them, in retrospect, but I couldn't have gotten up any earlier

Man I have never made it to a Terrastock, which is dumb.

I was listening to the first disc of Rated O this morning and during "10:30 at the Oasis" the thought occurred they should do a collaboration with Oneohtrix Point Never.

love the man forever/so percussion record

yes it's so great

oneida are playing here on saturday and i'm p stoked

did anyone else score the Brah tapes? i snagged all 4 at the (mindblowing) show in Indy. they are all quite good...hard to believe it is cutting-room floor stuff.

wish i could've seen that guggenheim show...rats!

Continued from the Disappears thread: I haven't heard the Brah tapes - got 'em on a bunch of wishlists but they're hensteethy. The O have refused to play anywhere within 1000 miles of me (granted, I'm kind of in the sticks) so I haven't had the chance to see them. I see they're finishing a new record, and another one with Rhys Chatham, both of which are promising developments.

If anyone is in a sharing mood, I'd really dig a chance to hear those tapes. I promise not to take any food out of the band's mouths.

Likewise, would love to hear those tapes (or purchase them, if that's possible).

Ditto on the Brah tapes

Sorry for derailing :) I like this new track quite a bit...probably more than anything else I've heard on record by them. Will definitely peep the full-length when it comes out.

Rats. Wrong thread. I'm currently without a tape deck, but I'll see what I can do...

<3 kid millions
haven't seen this movie but i know he is otm about it
http://thetalkhouse.com/music/talks/kid-millions-talks-whiplash-and/

<3 kid millions
but he is not otm

"Whiplash" is good imo

I haven't seen it, I should refrain from opining.

oneida-headz - is there any way to get the recent brah tapes other than on cassette?

I haven't seen it either, but the impression I got from the trailer is that it's not really about music as music, or rather that music could be substituted with any competitive young person activity in which there's a teacher-student or coach-student relationship. Like it might just as well be drumline drumming, or some kind of competitive dance team thing. But it also didn't seem totally far-fetched to me that there are musicians out there who might treat jazz big band that way. Although that doesn't square AT ALL with my high school and college big band playing experience -- we did go to competitions, but even when we were competing the director was much more interested in making sure we captured the nuances and feeling of the music than in some kind of tempo contest. I don't see any of that as necessarily meaning it isn't a good movie though.

saw oneida on saturday with james mcnew playing bass? is that a thing? great show but they got kicked off stage after like half an hour for some macbook dj.

Yikes, that sounds criminal. Half an hour is not enough time. McNew has played with them before though.

it seems like a movie about abusive teachers who "force greatness" out of their carefully chosen students and that's not my thing at all, movie about drumming and teachers aside. i dunno. maybe it's like the Nadia of drumming movies.

seems like mcnew is pretty much in oneida now? at least he's been playing live w/ em for at least the past year or so. don't know if he contributes on record though.

the truncated show was a drag but they sounded awesome. two extended kraut jams and a rock and roll song. i spent all my merch table cash on beer, is the brah tapes stuff mailorderable? they def sold me on what they are doing these days.

oh man, that saturday bill had chris forsyth on it too...right? and yes - 30 minutes is way too short.

finally got a tape deck -- had a listening session where we went through all 4 brah tapes consecutively. together, it's a pretty massive double album worth of really good material, spanning everything from shorter burners in the vein of preteen weaponry to amorphous imposing improv with the flavor of "a list of the burning mountains", to oscillating, almost-mellow dronescapes. i've yet to digitize anything, but will get around to it if for no other reason than to listen to at work.

lots of stuff to look forward to in 2015, per their site:
+Recording the THIRTEENTH Oneida album (This is Thirteen II—still gotta run that one by the guys).
+Blowin’ the Rhys Chatham/Oneida album for Northern Spy
+Layin’ the fourth People of the North album out on the stoop

till then, here's jam i (roughly) captured from july. pretty sure this is...new?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4zCl5uSXRg

nice jam. they didn't play that one on saturday.

chris forsyth w/ band was excellent too, they are playing bk again next month to which i will definitely go.

it seems like a movie about abusive teachers who "force greatness" out of their carefully chosen students and that's not my thing at all, movie about drumming and teachers aside. i dunno. maybe it's like the Nadia of drumming movies.

― vigetable (La Lechera), Monday, 12 January 2015 18:48 (1 hour ago) Permalink

Since that kind of "greatness" is so anathema to what I consider great in drumming, I just feel like I'm going to have to go in not thinking of it as a music film. Then again music films generally tend to be even more fraught with cliches, impossibilities and fanciful myths than biopics in general.

Although it's not totally without precedent in the real world (pretty sure Buddy Rich did see music as that kind of competition, for example).

"Whiplash" is good imo

i hope it's good, but have a reaaally hard time imagining that it feels real to anyone with similar experiences. honestly i'm mostly hoping for hilarious camp.

yeah, i definitely saw all the stuff kid millions criticizes about the film as intentional, that ultimately the whole thing is about the sort of folly some people engage in, people who think you can turn somebody into charlie parker by throwing a cymbal at their head, and how some people have an exceptional kind of magnetism to where they can actually get folks to believe something that self-evidently stupid. that's not really a "jazz" thing per se.

russian olympic jazz