my google alerts have not yielded the fruit i am looking forthey hardly ever do tbh!
― La Lechera, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 22:43 (ten years ago) link
david stubbs on pv/herzog for those what missed it:http://thequietus.com/articles/16110-herzog-popol-vuh-overview
― john wahey (NickB), Friday, 29 August 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
man everyone focuses on fricke and herzogthx for posting!
i found at least one popul in there though :-/Fricke and Vuh did further great work on Heart Of Glass (1976), in which guitarist Danny’s Fichelscher’s playing comes to the fore - by this point, Popul Vuh were more conventionally “rock”, though as Klaus Schulze observed, Fricke’s compositions still followed “electronic patterns” in their structures.
― cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Friday, 29 August 2014 17:12 (ten years ago) link
i listened to gila's "bury my heart at wounded knee" mostly for the fichelscher connection -- pretty good!
― clouds, Friday, 29 August 2014 17:34 (ten years ago) link
ooh love that one!!
― cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Friday, 29 August 2014 17:45 (ten years ago) link
while we were at my mom's house we watched a nature docu on cable in the Globe Trekkers series-- the episode was called Planet of the Apes and during the section on Orangutans there was this processional acoustic guitar stuff that gave me a really nice elevated Vuh-ish feeling. The episode had like 10 composers listed though, no chance I'll ever track that cue down.
― before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Friday, 29 August 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
1973 soundboard!
http://shardsofbeauty.blogspot.com/
― sleeve, Sunday, 7 September 2014 17:21 (ten years ago) link
niiiiice! thanks!
― tylerw, Sunday, 7 September 2014 18:53 (ten years ago) link
actually it might be a good audience recording, there is a lot of accompanying info
― sleeve, Sunday, 7 September 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link
this is great! yeah hazy sound is more likely an audience recording (maybe there wasn't even really a "soundboard" per se) but the haziness is nice.
― tylerw, Monday, 8 September 2014 16:03 (ten years ago) link
i saw this yesterday and today i remembered to click on it and it's asking me to "click here for downloader" and i feel like i am 500 years old pls send help bc i want to hear this!
― cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Monday, 8 September 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
i thought i posted that boot for y'all upthread. maybe it was another one
― am0n, Monday, 8 September 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link
i have a couple live boots, one is "1973 baumberg kirche germany" and the other is from 1976 with some live roberto cacciapaglia(!)― _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ (am0n), Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:46 AM (4 years ago)
― am0n, Monday, 8 September 2014 16:27 (ten years ago) link
whoops! yeah this is the church one
it's in FLAC if that makes a difference to anyone
― sleeve, Monday, 8 September 2014 16:30 (ten years ago) link
i can put the 76 one up again if anyone needs it
― am0n, Monday, 8 September 2014 16:33 (ten years ago) link
when i first clicked on it there was a "use sendspace downloader" box that i had to uncheck. i can't see the checkbox anymore though.
― example (crüt), Monday, 8 September 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link
xp i'd like to hear that!
Yes pls!!
― cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Monday, 8 September 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link
LL just be sure to uncheck the 'use sendspace downloader' box. And then on the next screen click the 'download from sendspace' thing and not the fake generic download thing.
I'm intrigued by the annotated discography included in this package! It's over 100 pgs long!
― Rand McNulty (Jon Lewis), Monday, 8 September 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link
now it says service temp unavailable?
― cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Monday, 8 September 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
I'll see what's up later this afternoon LL, I can always mail you a CD if it comes to that
Sendspace maxes out at 25 downloads iirc, I had to use it b/c of file size
― sleeve, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link
hahaok :)thank you
― cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Monday, 8 September 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link
non-flac version of 1973 baumberg kirche germanyhttp://www13.zippyshare.com/v/33870044/file.html
1976 milan - popol vuh / roberto cacciapagliahttp://www8.zippyshare.com/v/90269463/file.html
― am0n, Monday, 8 September 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link
thx sleeve and am0n
― Brad C., Monday, 8 September 2014 18:55 (ten years ago) link
thank you!! i can't wait to hear them. also? the discography pdf?! wow. awesome.
― cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:31 (ten years ago) link
hmm seems like it's working now?
feel free to webmail me via ILX if there are still issues
― sleeve, Monday, 8 September 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
thnkx amon, fricke/cacciapaglia a dream pairing
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 8 September 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah i didn't have that pdf so grab sleeves version if you can
― am0n, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
I downloaded it too in case anyone needs it and it unable to get it via the Sendspace thingy
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
but I have not listened to it yet, so shame on me
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
i'm finally listening to the live in 1973 recording and it's totally giving me the weirds, like i have never heard these songs sounding like they were produced by actual human beings before and now here they areagnus dei and all!wowthanks so much for sharing!!
― cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Thursday, 18 September 2014 02:14 (ten years ago) link
I haven't heard this recording, downloading now, but I know what you mean about "actual humans" making this stuff... I can almost never make out the piano in all those PV albums even though it is always there. I can barely tell what's going on at all, except that it's impossibly beautiful, ha. Mr. Fricke's oeuvre is surely some of the most psychedelic music ever in the mind-manifesting sense, colorful, hazey, contradictory and simultaneously pretty/scary sounding. Countless layers of impenetrable sound. And so alive -- it breathes. It sounds just plain otherworldy. The sonic equivalent of the unreal and idealized dream-scape backgrounds one finds in Leonardo da Vinci paintings. Every once in a while I try to do a close study of this stuff and I never get anywhere with it, its essence just eludes me completely!!! Which is wonderful.
I feel like Herzog almost completely misuses the stuff, too. The music is usually just plain too strong to serve images/stories properly. It overpowers them.
― liam fennell, Thursday, 18 September 2014 12:09 (ten years ago) link
I can almost never make out the piano in all those PV albums even though it is always there
It isn't always there!
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 September 2014 12:31 (ten years ago) link
Well, maybe that explains why I can't find it!
― liam fennell, Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:22 (ten years ago) link
It is mostly there, no? Except for the modular synth, organ and the tape-loop mellotronish thing you hear in the early work.
― liam fennell, Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:25 (ten years ago) link
On the contrary, it progressively disappears as the albums get more guitar based (I don't think there's any on "Coeur de Verre"), then comes back when they get more acoustic. Some songs the piano is there at the beginning and then fades out - almost as if to show how it was composed.
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:53 (ten years ago) link
Okay, thanks. That makes sense. I always got the impression it was at the bottom of the mix somewhere as the live take and then smothered with overdubs.
― liam fennell, Thursday, 18 September 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
That's probably true too
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
was looking up some information about (what i thought was) the melltron in "aguirre", found this interesting article
― the all man brothers (clouds), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:39 (nine years ago) link
interesting!
1) 'For every key on the keyboard he had made a tape of that note which had been sung by a real choir. It wasn't sampled or anything.' Chris adds: 'He devised a system where he took about 150 matches and stuck them in the parts of the keyboard that didn't work. He painted these with different colours so he knew which keys he could play. It was the first such instrument in the world and Florian Fricke of Popol Vuh used it for his soundtrack music to [Werner] Herzog's Aguirre: Wrath Of God. It's in a museum now." which museum?! where?
2) <3 the phrase "this Haboob project"
3) i just got my hands on a reissue (?) of that Herzog interview book and am seriously looking forward to any more PV info I can get out of it. My guess is that there's not much but throw me in the briar patch and make me read a book about Herzog, boohoo.
― cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:51 (nine years ago) link
i just like saying it -- HABOOB
wouldn't mind hearing their album
― the all man brothers (clouds), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:53 (nine years ago) link
you're telling me!
For the New Gibraltar Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock (www.gepr.net/) David Wayne gives the following hint:
"Interesting. The major point of interest for most progressive fans is Haboob's very significant connections with Amon Düül 2. The LP features psychedelic cover art by Amon Düül 2 keyboardist Falk U. Rogner, and it was produced by Amon Düül 2 saxophonist / producer Olaf Kübler. Jimmy Johnson has numerous studio credits, but is perhaps best known in prog-rock circles for his collaboration with Amon Düül 2 on Wolf City and Dance of the Lemmings (along with Phallus Dei, the band's best work, in my opinion). As you'd expect, Johnson's effects-laden organ and Mellotron (here called "choir-organ") are quite prominent. Unfortunately, Johnson's compositions aren't nearly as distinguished - the LP is comprised of a free improvisation (during which Green cuts loose to display some considerable jazz chops), a very Hendrix-inspired blues, and some pretty straightforward psychedelic soul - funk - rock pieces. The end result is sort of like a collaboration between Amon Düül 2 and early Funkadelic, or the Chambers Brothers (or perhaps even Sly Stone), minus the extended guitar explorations. The vocals, guitars and keyboards are heavily processed throughout - in fact the singing is pretty much buried beneath multiple layers of effects and electronic weirdness. The lyrics are only occasionally understandable. Despite the relative simplicity of the music, it has a lot of appeal - and I would urge those of you who are interested in a fusion of Euro-psychedelia with US soul and funk to seek this one out."
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 22:45 (nine years ago) link
was wrong upthread to assume it was an orchestron! the world, it's so big.
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 22:46 (nine years ago) link
I've heard the Haboob album and sought out every recording Jimmy Jackson is credited with appearing on... and there's next to no Choir Organ on any of them... Embryo, Kllaus Doldinger and, most disappointingly of all considering it's his album, Haboob. So best sticking to Amon Duul II, esp. Wolf City.
― ... and a Martin Parr photo essay (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 00:22 (nine years ago) link
is that instrument making the sounds that I always thought were "just" massed backing vocals in "Surrounded By The Stars"?
― sleeve, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 00:43 (nine years ago) link
Yes, that's it. Over the years I'd concluded the 'Choir Organ' was just a vaguely poetic name for a mellotron BUT I did read somewhere that, on ADII's "Tanz der Lemminge", there's a passage where a chord is held for 30 seconds (or thereabouts) and that it's not possible to hold a note for that long on a mellotron (apparently... I'm no expert). So, who knows? I do know that it is a fucking great noise and that the guys (and gal) in ADII obv. thought so as they slathered it all over their recordings, 1971-72.
― ... and a Martin Parr photo essay (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 00:52 (nine years ago) link
Speaking of which, I'm not sure what the keyboard is at the end of "Sleepwalkers' Timeless Bridge" on "Wolf City", I assumed that was the Choir Organ too but whatever it is it's mindblowing.
― ... and a Martin Parr photo essay (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 00:55 (nine years ago) link
Yes that's like my favorite keyboard sound ever. I just want that track isolated and looped FOREVER.
― Brocktoon Tanuki (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 00:58 (nine years ago) link
the higher registers of the choir-organ sound on the aguirre tracks are chilling
― the all man brothers (clouds), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 03:51 (nine years ago) link
i was just thinking i should explore embryo. what's the deal with their mal waldron connection?
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 05:51 (nine years ago) link