New Scott Walker album: 'The Drift'

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Morton Feldman in his Chamber music pieces for example didn't surrender himself completely to the aleatory in the way that Tudor and Cage did, but in the quieter passages there are some flavours of the Ohara pieces that you can compare to Walker's opus. I feel that the Drift rejects harmonic relationships in favour of a encaupsulation of any sound that interferes and sets out to jar with the narratives.
It's as if Walker is striving to invoke that 13th note that so terrified Schoenberg, opting for an approach, in the words of Daniel Barenboim, director of the Chicago symphony orchestra, towards " Peak experiences" in which " Active listening is absolutely essential". There is a deliberate restriction of tone colour, just as with every other aspect, and Walker is working against these limitations, perhaps to convey a sense of psychic imprisonment, and the struggle asscociated with it.

PaulBaran, Monday, 17 April 2006 02:11 (twenty years ago)

Julio,

Have you heard much Mauricio Kagel? What is your opnion of his work. Iam curious as Iam just approaching it for the first time.

PaulBaran, Monday, 17 April 2006 02:15 (twenty years ago)

The second half of the drift has a little bit more melody, or at least more riffy, singable elements in it. It's really tracks 2-5 that are so overwhelmingly atonal. And track 9, the escape, stands out the most, in my opinion. He actually sings the verses, and the song has an urgency, and therefore accessibility, that the other songs lack. Also, even in the really atonal songs, there are still some grand, classic walkeresque chorus-like parts that contrast the atonality somewhat...

patrickurstad, Monday, 17 April 2006 19:16 (twenty years ago)

I do a little round up on MK (w/contrib from others) at the bottom of the following thread - Mauricio Kagel : s/d/c ?

(search the archives and you'll find threads on all composers mentioned so far.)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 17 April 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Thanks very much Julio. You are a gentleman.

PaulBaran, Monday, 17 April 2006 23:38 (twenty years ago)

This is actually my first exposure to SW, and I was immediately pleased with what I heard. It's scary sure, but more than that, it was just exciting to me in a way that put a smile on my face to hear someone making music like this.

regular roundups (Dave M), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 03:29 (twenty years ago)

I just wanted to add a comment with my happiness in letting my co-worker hear this album. My co-worker was definitely not a fan of early Walker, she said his voice grated on her nerves at times even. However, I had a feeling that the unsettling atmospherics of "Drift" would show her that he's in a far different place, even if the voice was recognizable as still his own. She said she couldn't turn her ears away from it when it was on, at first his voice still didn't wow her, but it's growing on her and she admires the placement of details and execution in his vision. I think "Cossacks are" is the perfect opening track personally, it works as a more direct line to the more impenetrable following pieces.

ross, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 05:02 (twenty years ago)

It's all about those drums that make "Cossacks Are" such a great lead-in song. So driving and thunderous.

regular roundups (Dave M), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 05:23 (twenty years ago)

XFM interview at time of Tilt from Dave's Garage

Scott brought his own records..... played:

Johnny Ace Pledging My Love
He told how Johnny Ace comitted suicide on the road, while playing Russian Roulette before going onstage.

Played the first record he ever bought and the reason why he wanted to be a singer..Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers Why do Fools Fall In Love

Bought a lot of Doo wop records, thought the best of the bands was The Flamingos, but forgot to bring the record along

Loved the young Elvis in the Sun/RCA days everything he did before going into the army.

Played PJ Harvey To Bring You My Love, said he had seen her on tv and really liked this album.. "This one really appealed to me" "I like it, its got a thing running through it, its consistent and its got enough space in it".

Went on to discuss blues/doowop bands namechecked John Lee Hooker, BB King, Robert Johnston, Howling Wolf.

Played Gyorgy Ligeti's violin concerto next saying it was almost in the style of John Tavener, which he didn't always like, but to listen for the occarinas.. went on to say they were "magical" , and "what an idea!"

Next discussed classical music of course loves Beethoven, "an obsession of mine" Boulez, Stockhausen, mentioned Frank Zappa and the French composer he had been influenced by.
Like John Cage, but was not influenced by him as much.

Said he usually works to a blueprint, but the musicians have to come up with sounds too, and it could change everything. Said his lyrics are not like poetry as much as Lou Reed's are. He said "I'm going for the lyric" "There's a basic blueprint, but when you're working with musicians, I like to work with them live.... things change .......sometimes it will be radically altered by a sound someone comes up with that says it better" Said " we are all struggling for lyric now there's not a lot left to say with language now".

Next played The Drifters, Let The Music Play... stressed this was the original Drifters, not one of the touring bands. The "interesting Drifters with singers like Rudy Lewis and Ben E. King".

Discussed the songwriters like Bacharach/David and Pomus/Schuman, said "it worked fantastically well." Touched on Brel's connection/translations by Schuman knew him through his management, with Eric Blau the French composer.

Talked about Phil Spector, said he "had been through that period, liked "barer records" now. but loved the Spector stuff.

Was asked about touring, and talked about the Walker Bros tour with Jimi Hendrix/Engelbert/Cat Stevens.......( I saw that one!)...and about the 60's saying "it was really really bizarre,........it it was so crazy, and we were all a bit out of and I don't remember so much of the 60's like .. people often say , its a cliche.. if you remember it you weren't really there.. I really wasn't!"

Played The Long Hot Summer, Jimmie Rodgers.

The djs tried to get him to talk about his album,,, and the length of some of the tracks, said he tries to get "space" and to let things "breathe" Compared it to European movies ie Three Colours Red,, said it just unfolds.

Said he is "always changing my mind" about what movies/music he likes, When he lived in Scandinavia, he couldn't understand that the people over there "didn't give a damn about Bergman".

Last track played was 9 Inch Nails,,, end of the interview tape failed so no track name.


its a 50 minute interview, just picked out the relevant bits of interest.

Geri

Geraldine McGuckin (2raggedsoldiers), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 10:52 (twenty years ago)

I just got this two days ago, and I'm a little underwhelmed, but I was with Tilt at the beginning, too. I'm glad "Cossacks Are" is there, even if it's not my favorite track here. There seems to be even more silence here than there was with Tilt, and a lot of the sound effects are jarring, in a good way.

First time I listened to this record was in the pitch dark with a double scotch. It seemed fitting for the mood, somehow.

Niles, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)

It sits in yr brain asking questions. I like that. I haven't listened to it in two days, but its stuck in my mind, enigmatically, daring me to figure it out.

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

scott interview for THE WIRE mag is available today
in shops ! enjoy !
http://www.thewire.co.uk/current/index.php

aerial1, Thursday, 20 April 2006 11:07 (twenty years ago)

The Wire OTM

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:40 (twenty years ago)

for having him on the cover, havent read it yet

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:44 (twenty years ago)

I would actually be a little surprised if Walker opened up a ton about this record (beyond how stuff was recorded) - his quotes in the press release are informative in a way, but he's clearly only willing to "explain" his stuff so much.

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:56 (twenty years ago)

he's not on the cover. wtf!?

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:58 (twenty years ago)

The fact that he is not on the cover is explained in the editor's "Masthead":
"Astute readers will no doubt notice that [the Scott Walker article does not feature} a clear photographic portrait of its subject. This is down to Walker hating having his picture taken (though how does he square that with his recent appearance on BBC 2's The Culture Show?)"

It then goes on to talk about how the editorial staff had problems with this stance until many of them confessed a similar dislije of having their pictures taken.

It's a good article; six pages (three text, three full page grainy b&w images from the recording studio – one appeared in the last issue of Q) including an interview and brief track run through with some explanations by Scott Walker.
Also includes quotes from Peter Walsh.

There is a full page advert for The Drift on page 5 and "The Office Ambience" – the current favourites on The Wire office stereo – features The Drift at number one.

Peak Lupe., Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:52 (twenty years ago)

Do Scott explain or comment on any of the lyrics/themes of the tracks?

jz, Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:56 (twenty years ago)

"Does", I meant

jz, Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:56 (twenty years ago)

The Wire OTM
for having him on the cover, havent read it yet

http://www.thewire.co.uk/current/images/267cover.jpg

hehe

Gerard (Gerard), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Yes, he does. Each track gets a brief paragraph. For example:

"Hand Me Ups" enters the psyche of a conflicted television 'personality'. [Scott Walker] "He takes it too far, he's jealous of his children. And he wants to be the child himself, and a celebrity. I wrote it during the first Big Brother, one of those awful things. He'll stop at nothing, including sacrificing his children on whatever altar, because they steal his youth and the focus of his attention, preventing him from living his dreams. That's why you hear the children's screams. And there's some quotes in there from The Iliad. So ... there we are." [end Scott Walker quote]

I chose to extract the "Hold Me Ups" paragraph because I don't recall it being discussed that much in this forum.

Apologies in advance if there are any errors in my transcription the [in brackets bits] are mine.

Peak Lupe., Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for that. TV celebrity seems like a pretty soft target though!

jz, Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

rather

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

I agree, it is an easy target, the other tracks deal with themes already discussed (Milosovich, Mussolini, Donald Duck, donkey punching etc.).

There are also some insights to the recording sessions and instruments – the big wooden box etc.

Peak Lupe., Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

thx - actually does look similar to what was in press packet

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:53 (twenty years ago)

"Hand Me Ups" enters the psyche of a conflicted television 'personality'. [Scott Walker] "He takes it too far, he's jealous of his children. And he wants to be the child himself, and a celebrity. I wrote it during the first Big Brother, one of those awful things. He'll stop at nothing, including sacrificing his children on whatever altar, because they steal his youth and the focus of his attention, preventing him from living his dreams. That's why you hear the children's screams. And there's some quotes in there from The Iliad. So ... there we are." [end Scott Walker quote]

I think I preferred it when he refused to discuss the lyrics.

Leon SW, Thursday, 20 April 2006 15:10 (twenty years ago)

oh damn. But Scott's absolutely photogenic, I wonder why he hates having his picture taken.

rizzx (Rizz), Thursday, 20 April 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)

Release date for THE DRIFT is now May 23 for USA! Pushed back two weeks, why? Seems to still be May 8 for the U.K.

Seth, Friday, 21 April 2006 02:41 (twenty years ago)

Well, heard most of Drift now via FMU's site. Kinda hard to judge it when presented in that disjointed fashion. But Flugelman or Cue or whatever it is, is in the alltime Scott Top 10 for sure, and Jolson & Jones may get onto that list as soon as I get a lyric sheet and figure out if Scott's talking about Jack Jones or his pater Allan of "Donkey Serenade" fame. (Hey - come to think of it, in that case it must be Allan.) And that ending to Clara skates so close on the ice above Any Day Now-style schmaltz, it's downright breathtaking. And where those background vocals on Audience aka Hands Me Up go - sound kinda eastern, gotta ask my sidekick Blackface Muhammad about 'em. Incidentally, with EMP comin' up - hey Drew, why didn't ya do a paper about Scott for it?

J Walter Jesus, Friday, 21 April 2006 19:09 (twenty years ago)

OK, I check EMP's site and it turns out an African-American gal raised on (Rodney on the) ROQ, Gia Gordon, presented a paper on Scott last year. I think Jerome Wilson, who reviewed for OP decades ago, may have been the first A-A to write about listening to the Godlike One.

JWJ, Friday, 21 April 2006 19:43 (twenty years ago)

I was discussing with my friend the other day, which contemporary bands seem to be influenced by Scott Walker and it seems that most of my favourite artists have an element of his work. Particularly some of Mercury Rev's orchestral arrangements on ' All is dream' put me in mind of 'Scott 3', which has to be my favourite Walker record. I can see why alot of people favour 'Scott 4' because it might be more rhythmically varied or due to the fact that its all original compositions, but i think 'Scott 3' flows better and has more arresting melodies. I only got into Walker about 2 months ago after hearing 'Winter's night' on the net. Later i realised i'd also heard 'On your own again' on that radiohead doc 'Meeting people is easy' and i always wanted to know who that amazing voice belonged to. Not to go into a complete fan boy rant (although i can see thats been done already!), but he is probaly my favourite singer/songwriter now and i am dying to get 'The Drift' when it comes out. I've only managed to find 'Hand me ups' and 'Lovers Love' and they blew me away. I would love to hear what artists other Scott Walker fans are into and if they can suggest some stuff i might like. My other all-time faves are Sparklehorse, Augie March,
Mercury Rev, Joanna Newsom, Boards Of Canada, M83, Grand Drive and Love.

Dylan Lucas, Sunday, 23 April 2006 01:47 (twenty years ago)

Dylan, you might try the first two Divine Comedy albums ('Liberation' and 'Promenade') - you'll either love 'em or hate 'em.

Anong, Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:38 (twenty years ago)

are there any good artists that claim scott as an influence?

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 23 April 2006 10:24 (twenty years ago)

Not really an influence when you know his music/art, but Jim O'Rourke claims that Scott Walker is a real influence on his life. For him, Scoot is a kind of hero/master. And Jim O'Rourke is a pretty good artist/guitarist/laptoper.

aerial1, Sunday, 23 April 2006 12:13 (twenty years ago)

The Observer Music Monthly review

Scott Walker - The Drift
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/10bestcds/story/0,,1756929,00.html
5 Stars *****

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 23 April 2006 12:25 (twenty years ago)

faz.net (site of the German paper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung) has a new interview (will cost ya 1.50 euros) in which Scott confirms what's long been speculated and says that, yes, he has read Paul Celan. So Death really is a master from Hamilton, Ohio. Which leads into one clue re the ending of "The Escape." Robert McCloskey, author of that golden oldie "Make Way For Ducklings," was born the same year as Scott's father (or year after, forget which) and they were both raised in Hamilton. (You can get a sense of what the town was like when Scott was born there from McCloskey's two books about Homer Price - Hamilton is Centerburg in 'em.)

JWJ, Sunday, 23 April 2006 13:22 (twenty years ago)

Interesting -- where David Lynch chooses not to say word one about the plots of his movies, Scott feels inclined to explain. On the upside, however, the analyses here will finally cease once and for all.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 23 April 2006 13:39 (twenty years ago)

the analyses here will finally cease once and for all

i'd rather read pretentious analyses than wankers incessantly telling other people to shut up

boychild, Sunday, 23 April 2006 14:38 (twenty years ago)

If ever there was an artist who could be enjoyed more by analysis, it's Walker post-1976.

niles, Sunday, 23 April 2006 20:28 (twenty years ago)

I know it's been discussed here, but it really is surprising how accessible tracks 7-10 are in comparison to some of the earlier tracks. I love every track on "The Drift" but with repeated listens I've realized that it still has the immediate qualities that "Tilt" had. Am I alone in thinking that the "Anthrax Jesus.." part in "Psoriatic" has a similiar melodic line to George Benson's "On Broadway" - I know, this seems a little out of place, but bizarre references are in many Scott Walker songs.

ross, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 22:02 (twenty years ago)

[url=http://www.flim.com/flim/index.html?20050806]this[/url] feels a bit like Scott Walker, I think.

kitaj (kitaj), Monday, 1 May 2006 07:04 (twenty years ago)

http://www.the-drift.net/

jed_ (jed), Monday, 1 May 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

www.thewire.co.uk/web/unpublished/scott_walker.html has an unedited transcript of Rob Young's interview with Scott. In it the Godlike one talks about reading Updike. Might explain what that rabbit's doin' in "Clara."

Daddy Dewdrop, Thursday, 4 May 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Wow, thanks so much!

Gerard (Gerard), Thursday, 4 May 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)

Has there been any reviews yet that use the phrase "Get The Drift"?

The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Thursday, 4 May 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

That's an excellent interview. I still kind of wish he wouldn't talk so much about what the songs are about, tho'.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 4 May 2006 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Well he could be bluffing...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 5 May 2006 06:28 (twenty years ago)

is the reissue of climate of hunter much better than the standard issue? it isn't a record that seemed to screaming for a remaster to me.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 5 May 2006 06:43 (twenty years ago)

Doesn't sound appreciably (i.e. at all) deeper or fuller.

Petridish tries it with Scott in today's Grauniad.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 5 May 2006 06:51 (twenty years ago)

Bizarrely this is record of the week in The Daily Express.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 5 May 2006 09:42 (twenty years ago)


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