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being the rule that dance music is creatively moribund ...

I think techno will become like jazz (if it's not yet there). You'll have a breakthrough act every now and then a lots of decent/good purists who will delight the connoisseurs.

― nocure, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:46 (twenty years ago)

well .. i don't think so. Do I?

― nocure, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:43 (twenty years ago)

"Que Belle Epoque 2006"

fantastic but i havent heard the original (if there is one) how does it compare?

― yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:48 (twenty years ago)

i'll rip it when i get a chance, harshaw.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:22 (twenty years ago)

I was listening to Superlongevity 3 last night and thinking, "the Nikolai track aside, almost anything here could pass for Villalobos". The opening Ricardo track is one of my favourites by him I think, and it's still only one amongst several great and inventive tracks on there. I guess when I say he's "head of the pack" rather than "genius" it's not because I want to play down his acheivements, but because it still makes as much or more sense to me to talk about all this music in terms of networks of producers and label aesthetics and the like. Like, I think it's exciting that you get entire labels like Cadenza apparently totally committed to pursuing this aesthetic and taking it further.

And yeah, while Phillip is right to note that Villalobos has gone the furthest away from traditional house and techno structures, he's hardly consistent on this point - three quarters of The Au'Harem to thread... Perhaps the irony with Ricardo is that he actually sounds most er "pop" when he is trying to avoid straight four-to-the-floor material - against Ronan's question I'd assert that with Ricardo pop and off-kilterness are not inversely proportional, though I do sympathise with Ronan's general position.

In related news I have finally wholeheartedly fallen in love with Tobi Neumann's Pass Your Bedtime, after finding it a bit impenetrable for the longest time. Now I'm not sure why I couldn't really get into it, it's so beautiful. And the second half is like my very exact definition of minimal/ketamine/etc... perhaps not as self-consciously epic as the Achso material but just as beautiful.

Actually I've been really enjoying Neumann's own faux-Villalobos/Luciano productions of late.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:27 (twenty years ago)

i've seen tobi neumann dj a few times and he was just wonderful each time. sort of warm and lush and a bit trancey with villalobos/luciano-type interludes.

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:31 (twenty years ago)

yay tim! i was just listening to pass your bedtime today.

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 03:35 (twenty years ago)

have you heard andre galuzzi's berghain 01? best mix of 2005 heard in 2006 for me. it is awesomely sequenced, loose and skanky, lush, and just plain pretty k-house. i love how the dance pressure all comes from lazy and hazy rhythmic transitions. that and the tobi neumann have been huge stylistic influences on me.

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 03:45 (twenty years ago)

I was listening to Superlongevity 3 last night and thinking, "the Nikolai track aside, almost anything here could pass for Villalobos"

yes

when I say he's "head of the pack" rather than "genius" it's ... because it still makes as much or more sense to me to talk about all this music in terms of networks of producers and label aesthetics and the like

double yes.

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 03:52 (twenty years ago)

both mixes are like coming out of the tunnel forged by the extreme dryness and rhythmic fuckery of the more out-there microhouse. yes, it can be accessible and innovative without losing the pressure or efficacy.

and any mix that contains this sun ra quote can't be bad:
"the music is different here, the vibrations are different... not like planet earth... planet earth sound of guns, anger, frustration... there is no one to talk to on planet earth to understand... it would affect their vibrations, for the better of course... equation wise, the first thing to do is consider time as officially ended... we'll work on the other side of time... we'll bring them here through either isotope, teleportation, transmolecularzation... or better still, teleport the whole planet here through music..."

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 03:57 (twenty years ago)

he jacks the whole beginning of "space is the place"???

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 04:00 (twenty years ago)

yes, the galluzzi is awesome. i love the lushness of Monne Automne - Teco (Pink Ellin vs Peir Bucci)

For some reason I haven't been able to get into the Neumann although I like his productions (esp. Dinky - Acid in my Fridge)

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 04:03 (twenty years ago)

also i'm not sure i followed trick's msg ... which "mix" are you talking about? "belle epoque 2006" or "berghain 01" or "pass your bedtime"?

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 04:07 (twenty years ago)

berghain 01. the sun ra quote is either part of or played over the tune "mammals" by c:c/p.

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 04:11 (twenty years ago)

madlib uses the same quote in "shadow of tomorrow" on the madvillain album.

― gnippiks, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 07:33 (twenty years ago)

shadowS of tomorrow

― gnippiks, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 07:33 (twenty years ago)

"have you heard andre galuzzi's berghain 01? best mix of 2005 heard in 2006 for me. it is awesomely sequenced, loose and skanky, lush, and just plain pretty k-house. i love how the dance pressure all comes from lazy and hazy rhythmic transitions. that and the tobi neumann have been huge stylistic influences on me. "

No tricky but I really want to! I may have to order it specially. Also I'm gonna download your most recent posted mix to check your claim of influence.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 09:31 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

Balacharde? Thoughts?

― trees (treesessplode), Sunday, 21 May 2006 03:34 (twenty years ago)

Ricaro Villalobos - Sieve b/side Henrik Schwarz Jimis [Diamonds & Pearls]. Thoughts?

My thoughts - it's lovely and strange. held together by a great krautrock vocal line.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:02 (twenty years ago)

i had no idea this existed! mind you i'm quite behind, i only just heard that great newish senor coconut remix.

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 29 May 2006 08:40 (twenty years ago)

Whoa finally heard the re-do of QBEpoque - great!!! He makes it do the same kinds of things I tried to make it do when I mixed it into stuff. It's amazing how many strong vocals and melodies you can put with it where it still all kinda sounds like it's in tune!

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

haha and the Lazer@present I used to mix into this old Modjo track I loved, gah, it was good stuff - and that really WAS in tune.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 21:31 (twenty years ago)

New track "Seive" (from split 12 with Henrik Schwarz on Diamonds & Pearls) is the sickness. Dry; diseased. Druggiest track he’s done? Nothing jumps out but 15-minute simmer on headphones in midday sun very nicely upsetting! Strange slow groaning acid line on its deathbed set 2/3 the way through. Subtlety and suspense as per current usual. Hard to shake off.

― Andy Battaglia (Andy Battaglia), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 04:42 (twenty years ago)

Definitely agreed re: Seive. With Balacharde, that Rhythm & Sound remix and even the Senor Coconut remix, they all have a touch of a deranged tangent that's hard to shake away - it's almost like Villalobos is amassing an abyss with each song.

― natedey (ndeyoung), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:24 (twenty years ago)

Definitely agreed re: Seive. With Balacharde, that Rhythm & Sound remix and even the Senor Coconut remix, they all have a touch of a deranged tangent that's hard to shake off - it's almost like Villalobos is amassing an abyss with each song.

― natedey (ndeyoung), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:24 (twenty years ago)

Don't forget the ridiculous Senor Coconut mix too!

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

i haven't got my head around seive yet at all. there's also a new isolee remix - 15 mins of "i owe you" - that sounded good on the one play i've managed so far.

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:22 (twenty years ago)

I prefer the original Henrik Schwarz 'Jimis' from 2003 to the b-side of the Villalobos. it has a nice dirty squealing guitar through the techno, kinda opposites making up a complete whole.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

what - no love for the excellent remix of Thomas Dolbys One of Our Submarines track ?

12 minutes of gorgeousness that requires the full deal .. not just the snippet on that Suck My Deck set.

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 11:44 (twenty years ago)

Can someone explain exactly how you amass an abyss?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 11:59 (twenty years ago)

'Seive' indeed the best thing he's done in awhile (I mean better than the excellent stuff he's done since Zzzzz au Harem d'Archimede.)

― Omar (Omar), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:32 (twenty years ago)

>Can someone explain exactly how you amass an abyss?

Alright kiddos, does anyone know how black holes theoretically exist?

― natedey (ndeyoung), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

no love for the excellent remix of Thomas Dolbys One of Our Submarines track ?

For some reason, I haven' been able to really get into this. I must return and listen again.

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 19:41 (twenty years ago)

One Of Our Submarines= One of my all-time faves...

― Tommy Tannoy (Tommy Tannoy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 20:06 (twenty years ago)

not to suggest a certain three-letter request, but i've never been able to find the full-length version of said remix.

― imbidimts (imbidimts), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 22:02 (twenty years ago)

...the Villalobos of 2006, veering off into electro-acoustic free techno across a slew of 20-minute-plus drum tracks burned to CD-R and intended for his own DJ sets only. (He played me a few of them in Berlin and at MUTEK, and while they're more floor-oriented than the mind-melting Achso, they're hardly less freaky; indeed, in may ways, they're the rawest snapshot of Villalobos' creative progress yet, as they sound mostly improvised and unedited, full of toggling downbeats, seasick modulations, and unresolved rhythmic collisions....)

wow

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 15 June 2006 17:53 (twenty years ago)

those sound amazing; are there any recent ricardo live sets up for grabs?

― lf (lfam), Thursday, 22 June 2006 02:15 (twenty years ago)

Seriously! I think Phil was prolly thinking 'how can i make all the villalobos crew drool uncontrollably' asap? when he wrote that.

― natedey (ndeyoung), Thursday, 22 June 2006 03:18 (twenty years ago)

i just saw a picture of him for the first time. i don't think i can ever read his stuff the same way again.

― lf (lfam), Thursday, 22 June 2006 03:19 (twenty years ago)

http://phs.abstractdynamics.org/twinshades.jpg

― lf (lfam), Thursday, 22 June 2006 03:21 (twenty years ago)

i had just never thought of it

― lf (lfam), Thursday, 22 June 2006 03:21 (twenty years ago)

Jesus Phil, you look hot!

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 22 June 2006 04:13 (twenty years ago)

hottER, i mean

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 22 June 2006 04:15 (twenty years ago)

despite the account-creation and ad pages, this placeis the best i've found for live sets

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 22 June 2006 05:03 (twenty years ago)

hahaha. susan, you should know better. lf, are you saying my credibility is shot? (that's exactly what i was going for....)

and yeah, i was pretty much trying to make people drool with my underhanded, "i've heard it and you haven't" schlitz. meanspirited, i know. but if it makes you feel better, i asked him for a copy of some of those and he looked at me like i was bonkers. oh well, doesn't hurt to try!

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 22 June 2006 11:14 (twenty years ago)

"Where are your troops and can I go count them?"

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 22 June 2006 11:31 (twenty years ago)

not fair.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 June 2006 12:05 (twenty years ago)

lf, are you saying my credibility is shot? (that's exactly what i was going for....)

not really, i had just never had anything visual to associate with your articles. now i have that scarf! are those really 'minimal glasses?' i was trying on a cheap pair in a drugstore on tuesday.

based on my experience with your recommendations, you are maybe the most credible music critic i read.

― lf (lfam), Thursday, 22 June 2006 13:22 (twenty years ago)

the remix of isolee's 'i owe you' is gorgeous. the original is one of my favourite isolee moments and while villalobos doesn't do anything particularly unexpected (by his standards), by stretching the track out for so long the vocals and melody go from light and almost fluffy at the beginning to really eerie and sinister by half way through and then back again ending in an almost jazzy coda. great work.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Thursday, 22 June 2006 13:57 (twenty years ago)

― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 22 June 2006 14:21 (twenty years ago)

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