I think an Indian artist should write a riposte song, "White Liberal in a Sari".
― OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 06:02 (nine years ago) link
That'd show him.
― rage against martin sheen (sic), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 06:03 (nine years ago) link
Thing is nobody was saying that he is "far-right", just that he is a shitty poisonous racist cunt, which doesn't seem that arguable to me unless you're so keen to make excuses for him that you wanna overlook the shitty poisonous racist cuntish things he keeps saying. Beyond that I don't have much interest in exploring the nuances of this horrible man's personal politics. He is probably pretty right wing tho.
― Knob Dicks (wins), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 06:04 (nine years ago) link
left-wing people are never racist? gimme a break
― OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 06:06 (nine years ago) link
Well exactly
― Knob Dicks (wins), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 06:12 (nine years ago) link
Summary: Morrissey is not right wing.
The vast majority of his political opinions (re royalty, for one) place him left. What it comes down to is, If the B*P promoted one specific policy that would make him vote for them (ignoring the fact they still would not win), what would the policy be? And that would be that they would make vegetarianism compulsory. I don't think he cares about anything else as much.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 06:49 (nine years ago) link
some bad looks ITT
I vote we remove the divisive Morrissey influence and permaban any poster mentioning same from hereon in
― leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 08:20 (nine years ago) link
I do like how questioning NME's journalistic integrity is a FPable offense tho
suggesting it's only the NME that's reported on his racism is staggeringly ignorant.
― The Littlest Boho (stevie), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 08:49 (nine years ago) link
like, it wasn't only the NME that saw this shitheel waving a union jack at the Madstock gigs, gigs full of the skinhead racist bastards who have followed Madness - a proudly anti-racist group who were mortified by this shitheel's antics - for years, despite their attempts to shake them loose. you would have to be wearing galactic-sized blinkers - or, i suppose, be an American with no context of british culture and racism - to not see this.
― The Littlest Boho (stevie), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 08:51 (nine years ago) link
waving a union jack
wait, I thought it was the st. george's cross that was the racist flag.
― how's life, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 09:11 (nine years ago) link
union jack had racist connotations for decades. i'd rather die than wear one.
― The Littlest Boho (stevie), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 09:31 (nine years ago) link
'saw this shitheel waving a union jack at the Madstock gigs'
fixed.he only appeared on the saturday, and due to be bottled off refused to perform on the sunday.i was there.
― mark e, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 09:32 (nine years ago) link
Remember, no listening to James Brown either.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:15 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
please direct me to the thread where people are posting stuff like "I know James Brown slowly beat his wife to death over a period of several years, but he's not a wife-beater", please. Or is this just some "there are terrible black pop stars too, so you can't criticise white pop stars for being racists" false equivalency bullshit?
― The Littlest Boho (stevie), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 09:33 (nine years ago) link
xp so he did wave it at the show he played though, mark e?
like, listen to morrissey all you like! it's okay! just don't pretend he's not said some egregiously racist shit!
― The Littlest Boho (stevie), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 09:34 (nine years ago) link
like, james brown has made some of the most amazing music of all time imho. he was also clearly a terrible, abusive man.
― The Littlest Boho (stevie), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 09:35 (nine years ago) link
he only appeared on the saturday, and due to be bottled off refused to perform on the sunday.
in that case i wish everyday was like sunday
― john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 09:35 (nine years ago) link
Boom
― Knob Dicks (wins), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 09:37 (nine years ago) link
i do recall seeing him walk on at the start of the set waving the flag/draping it around him (as was captured on the cover of the nme)
however, i sat down for a lot of the set and so did not see much more.
― mark e, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 09:39 (nine years ago) link
Thing is nobody was saying that he is "far-right", just that he is a shitty poisonous racist cunt,
thinking "far right" is worse than "racist" is a Brit thing, isn't it
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 11:02 (nine years ago) link
here they usually go together
waving a union jackwait, I thought it was the st. george's cross that was the racist flag.― how's life, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 10:11 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― how's life, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 10:11 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"St George's Cross" doesn't rhyme with "there ain't no black"
― Maurice Malpas Holiday Jotter Blues (onimo), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 11:04 (nine years ago) link
no idea tbh but I took the point to mean that it would probably not in this instance be accurate to use them interchangeably
― Kiss Screaming Seagull Her Seagull Her (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 11:21 (nine years ago) link
Do you guys have a single flag that's not racist?
― how's life, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 11:28 (nine years ago) link
Green Flag is a British breakdown cover and vehicle recovery provider based in Pudsey, near Leeds. Formed in 1971 (as the National Breakdown Recovery Club) as an alternative to the AA and RAC, using a network of local garages and mechanics to deliver recovery and repair services instead of patrolling mechanics. The company is part of the Direct Line Group.
― Kiss Screaming Seagull Her Seagull Her (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 11:56 (nine years ago) link
Nationalsozialimus
― OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 11:57 (nine years ago) link
LOL
It is perhaps unfortunate that right-wing has in the popular imagination come to mean xenophobia, market freedom, low taxes and small government (with a royalist slant in the UK). Obviously far-right in this instance would mean racist, unregulated markets with next to no social welfare or rights for workers and everything owned by or sub-contracted out to large corporations.
I'm guessing Moz would be anti-immigration (although he likes to live in other people's countries} and very low tax (we know how he hates people taking his money). The rest is more left-wing stereotype I think.
― OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 12:05 (nine years ago) link
It is perhaps unfortunate that right-wing has in the popular imagination come to mean xenophobia, market freedom, low taxes and small government
yeah, this stereotypical view of right wingers overlooks so many other appealing beliefs
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 12:17 (nine years ago) link
you missed my irony?
― OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 12:31 (nine years ago) link
He expounded on many of his political views here: http://www.morrissey-solo.com/content/1037-Morrissey-interview-in-the-Legends-issue-of-Loaded-(Feb-2013)-out-tomorrow
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 12:34 (nine years ago) link
No Alfred I was actually trying to get away from that kind of thinking, shakey was on some "in fairness to the lad, he isn't far-right, he's more *idiosyncratic* in his beliefs" which is a pointless avenue to go down imo - dude has been consistently, publically hateful, I don't give a fuck what newspaper he reads or his views on the royals or whatever the fuck
I mean apart from anything else, the shit this guy's been saying for as long as I've been alive has just been really really stupid, like he actually comes across as a bit dense. Not sure why ppl act like he's at all clever or interesting tbh
― Knob Dicks (wins), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 12:36 (nine years ago) link
Because he wrote "How Soon Is Now?"
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 12:40 (nine years ago) link
his lyrics were intelligent and interesting, as was a lot of what he said at the beginning. that's the whole point.
― OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 12:44 (nine years ago) link
if you only heard what he said and produced from Quarry onwards, I can understand how this might seem ludicrous
― OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 12:47 (nine years ago) link
Morrissey has made so many ridiculous or risible or stupid statements over the years it's hard for me to categorize what each comment means about the man. The only consistent hate I recall from the guy is toward Johnny Rogan, Mike Joyce and any person that eats meat. Everything else has been a one-off what did he say now shocker, right?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 12:54 (nine years ago) link
turns out you can write the theme to charmed and still be an idiot
― Knob Dicks (wins), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 13:31 (nine years ago) link
healthy step for ilx to start believing you can tick lots of the right boxes and still be a cunt, vice versa belief to follow within a few years, then we can really start to mix it up
― leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 13:34 (nine years ago) link
I'll take the word of posters above/in the other thread re skinheads etc at the time and in the scene, I'm still wondering if the union jack is a straight port to racism tbh?
as an interesting aside, not as a "maybe moz is just mozunderstood" gambit.
― leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 13:39 (nine years ago) link
healthy step for ilx to start believing you can tick lots of the right boxes and still be a cun
seriously, shut up
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 13:40 (nine years ago) link
he says he wants jon stewart or rachel maddow to be president of the U.S.
as far as i can tell...all his views are basically filtered through the lens of his own incredible narcissism and self-obsession...
so....he cares about animal rights, so he supports radical left vegan groups or Greenpeace
he hates when he has to pay taxes personally...so he supports the largely right wing "we need lower taxes" view...
he doesn't like UK losing its identity to Europe so he supports going back to sterling and some UKIP anti-Europe stuff
he suffered under Thatcher as a youth so he despises Thatcher
the Chinese have a poor record on animal rights so he sees them as "Subspecies"
American Latinos embrace him and his music, flattering him, and giving him a new audience and more money, so he embraces them
he likes watching Jon Stewart and Rachel Maddow, so he thinks they should be president of the US
he loves a bunch of fusty old English cultural stuff that no one gives a fuck about anymore, and he feels like no one does so he blames immigration for a loss of "English indentity"
none of this shit is consistent except through the idea that Morrissey can't see past his own nose
and is racist
― sinister porpoise (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 13:43 (nine years ago) link
we still use sterling to buy our blood sausage over here, old chap, but otherwise OTM
― Barry Gordy (Neil S), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 13:45 (nine years ago) link
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 13:46 (nine years ago) link
he loves a bunch of fusty old English cultural stuff that no one gives a fuck about anymore
don't think it's necessarily either lolsome or racist to like long gone aspects of any popular national culture, and if Moz were American he might get more respect for being a cultural custodian of all sorts of interesting things. also, not everything he's championed has been 'fusty' and British (and some of the things he adores might still say something of our country and the way we once lived and presented ourselves to the world = valuable, worth preserving - eg New York Dolls, Nico, Klaus Nomi. of course moz falls into a pretty reactionary position when he bemoans a loss of these things - especially now that, thanks to dvd and other archival forms, they're actually more present than ever - On the Buses (a Moz tour bus fave, I was once told) is all around us!
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 13:53 (nine years ago) link
ward - i'm not saying a desire to preserve or be a booster of stuff is bad, i just think he tends to see the decline of it as part of a "declining England" narrative or loss of Englishness that's has been a theme of his and i think at times has caused him to be racist (like "life is hard enough when you belong here" or "we are the last truly english people you will ever know" etc)
― sinister porpoise (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 13:59 (nine years ago) link
all his views are basically filtered through the lens of his own incredible narcissism and self-obsession.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 14:23 (nine years ago) link
funny how little Englanders are the first to bugger off to California, Florida or Spain given half a chance
― Barry Gordy (Neil S), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 14:24 (nine years ago) link
Residual colonialist instinct?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 14:25 (nine years ago) link
xxp OTM (also, I suspect, always latching on symbols for aesthetic reasons make him completely oblivious to the political meaning of his positions)
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 14:26 (nine years ago) link
"If you walk through Knightsbridge on any bland day of the week you won't hear an English accent" - reckon he gets the kind of immigration he reads about online mixed up with tourism and the oligarchs buying up London etc. He thinks the view from his posh hotel is a typical British street scene.
― Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 14:36 (nine years ago) link