Morrissey really seriously ill?

oh I missed that that's what you were referring to! i thought his agita was about being accused of racism or something.

If you read what I wrote I said that morrissey is not a far right crank. The "subspecies" crack is clearly racist.

Sorry I had to eat dinner b4 responding

you said it seemed the "most indefensible" of his statements, but that seemed to be for the purpose of casting doubt on the other questionable things he's said. i guess my point is that identifying a group of people as a subspecies is indefensible, full stop. even if he'd spent the rest of his life/solo career not being so fucking irritating/"provocative" about race.

morrissey's definitely become a crank, and i think he deliberately flirts with far-right rhetoric. i don't really care anymore whether he's a true believer in his heart.

He's always been a crank. But he's not some stereotypical mosely clone or fascist as xelab would have it. His views are too idiosyncratic for that.

perhaps I should have just said "worst" instead of "most indefensible"? Difference seems minor to me but ok.

one the one hand we could really dive deep and unpack the idiosyncrasies in the racist shit morrissey says

on the other we could just be like morrissey is a shitty old racist who was in a good band back in the day and vauxhall and i is a pretty good record, sucks that he is a shitty old racist

if you need that new morrissey material in your life so bad that you are doing some dope mental jiu jitsu to un-racist all the racist shit he says then man i don't know take an inventory or something

pwnd

Remember, no listening to James Brown either.

of the available racisms his is of course artistic, perhaps even artisanal

I understand reading "Bengali in Platforms" as racist but it's open to interpretation imho (is the narrator being patronizing, or admonishing, etc. it isn't really obvious)

I'm not sure I can see a non-racist interpretation of "Shelve your Western plans and understand that life is hard enough when you belong here".

I think an Indian artist should write a riposte song, "White Liberal in a Sari".

That'd show him.

Thing is nobody was saying that he is "far-right", just that he is a shitty poisonous racist cunt, which doesn't seem that arguable to me unless you're so keen to make excuses for him that you wanna overlook the shitty poisonous racist cuntish things he keeps saying. Beyond that I don't have much interest in exploring the nuances of this horrible man's personal politics. He is probably pretty right wing tho.

left-wing people are never racist? gimme a break

Well exactly

Summary: Morrissey is not right wing.

The vast majority of his political opinions (re royalty, for one) place him left. What it comes down to is, If the B*P promoted one specific policy that would make him vote for them (ignoring the fact they still would not win), what would the policy be? And that would be that they would make vegetarianism compulsory. I don't think he cares about anything else as much.

some bad looks ITT

I vote we remove the divisive Morrissey influence and permaban any poster mentioning same from hereon in

I do like how questioning NME's journalistic integrity is a FPable offense tho

suggesting it's only the NME that's reported on his racism is staggeringly ignorant.

like, it wasn't only the NME that saw this shitheel waving a union jack at the Madstock gigs, gigs full of the skinhead racist bastards who have followed Madness - a proudly anti-racist group who were mortified by this shitheel's antics - for years, despite their attempts to shake them loose. you would have to be wearing galactic-sized blinkers - or, i suppose, be an American with no context of british culture and racism - to not see this.

waving a union jack

wait, I thought it was the st. george's cross that was the racist flag.

union jack had racist connotations for decades. i'd rather die than wear one.

'saw this shitheel waving a union jack at the Madstock gigs'

fixed.
he only appeared on the saturday, and due to be bottled off refused to perform on the sunday.
i was there.

Remember, no listening to James Brown either.

― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:15 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

please direct me to the thread where people are posting stuff like "I know James Brown slowly beat his wife to death over a period of several years, but he's not a wife-beater", please. Or is this just some "there are terrible black pop stars too, so you can't criticise white pop stars for being racists" false equivalency bullshit?

xp so he did wave it at the show he played though, mark e?

like, listen to morrissey all you like! it's okay! just don't pretend he's not said some egregiously racist shit!

like, james brown has made some of the most amazing music of all time imho. he was also clearly a terrible, abusive man.

he only appeared on the saturday, and due to be bottled off refused to perform on the sunday.

in that case i wish everyday was like sunday

Boom

xp so he did wave it at the show he played though, mark e?

i do recall seeing him walk on at the start of the set waving the flag/draping it around him (as was captured on the cover of the nme)

however, i sat down for a lot of the set and so did not see much more.

Thing is nobody was saying that he is "far-right", just that he is a shitty poisonous racist cunt,

thinking "far right" is worse than "racist" is a Brit thing, isn't it

here they usually go together

waving a union jack

wait, I thought it was the st. george's cross that was the racist flag.

― how's life, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 10:11 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"St George's Cross" doesn't rhyme with "there ain't no black"

thinking "far right" is worse than "racist" is a Brit thing, isn't it

no idea tbh but I took the point to mean that it would probably not in this instance be accurate to use them interchangeably

Do you guys have a single flag that's not racist?

Green Flag is a British breakdown cover and vehicle recovery provider based in Pudsey, near Leeds. Formed in 1971 (as the National Breakdown Recovery Club) as an alternative to the AA and RAC, using a network of local garages and mechanics to deliver recovery and repair services instead of patrolling mechanics. The company is part of the Direct Line Group.

Nationalsozialimus

Green Flag is a British breakdown cover and vehicle recovery provider based in Pudsey, near Leeds. Formed in 1971 (as the National Breakdown Recovery Club) as an alternative to the AA and RAC, using a network of local garages and mechanics to deliver recovery and repair services instead of patrolling mechanics. The company is part of the Direct Line Group.

LOL

It is perhaps unfortunate that right-wing has in the popular imagination come to mean xenophobia, market freedom, low taxes and small government (with a royalist slant in the UK). Obviously far-right in this instance would mean racist, unregulated markets with next to no social welfare or rights for workers and everything owned by or sub-contracted out to large corporations.

I'm guessing Moz would be anti-immigration (although he likes to live in other people's countries} and very low tax (we know how he hates people taking his money). The rest is more left-wing stereotype I think.

It is perhaps unfortunate that right-wing has in the popular imagination come to mean xenophobia, market freedom, low taxes and small government

yeah, this stereotypical view of right wingers overlooks so many other appealing beliefs

yeah, this stereotypical view of right wingers overlooks so many other appealing beliefs

you missed my irony?

He expounded on many of his political views here: http://www.morrissey-solo.com/content/1037-Morrissey-interview-in-the-Legends-issue-of-Loaded-(Feb-2013)-out-tomorrow

No Alfred I was actually trying to get away from that kind of thinking, shakey was on some "in fairness to the lad, he isn't far-right, he's more *idiosyncratic* in his beliefs" which is a pointless avenue to go down imo - dude has been consistently, publically hateful, I don't give a fuck what newspaper he reads or his views on the royals or whatever the fuck

I mean apart from anything else, the shit this guy's been saying for as long as I've been alive has just been really really stupid, like he actually comes across as a bit dense. Not sure why ppl act like he's at all clever or interesting tbh

Because he wrote "How Soon Is Now?"

his lyrics were intelligent and interesting, as was a lot of what he said at the beginning. that's the whole point.

if you only heard what he said and produced from Quarry onwards, I can understand how this might seem ludicrous

Morrissey has made so many ridiculous or risible or stupid statements over the years it's hard for me to categorize what each comment means about the man. The only consistent hate I recall from the guy is toward Johnny Rogan, Mike Joyce and any person that eats meat. Everything else has been a one-off what did he say now shocker, right?

turns out you can write the theme to charmed and still be an idiot

healthy step for ilx to start believing you can tick lots of the right boxes and still be a cunt, vice versa belief to follow within a few years, then we can really start to mix it up

I'll take the word of posters above/in the other thread re skinheads etc at the time and in the scene, I'm still wondering if the union jack is a straight port to racism tbh?

as an interesting aside, not as a "maybe moz is just mozunderstood" gambit.