CHRIS BROWN

and neither of their careers were ever as vanilla as c browns - he is cooked - fuck that guys for good

― ice cr?m, Sunday, March 8, 2009 3:28 AM (17 hours ago)

I think the vanilla part is irrelevant ... plenty of pop stars (e.g. Britney Spears) originally had their careers rooted in portraying a squeaky clean image. Add me to the list of people who think that CB's comeback + redemption is inevitable.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:43 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

coming back to this for the hell of it -- pretty much every teen idol goes through some 'loss of innocence' type of scandal, but the when and the how makes all the difference...Britney's got pretty crazy eventually, but it still happened very gradually over several years/albums...at the age and career stage Chris and Rihanna are at right now, Justin and Britney hadn't even gone through their breakup/songs about each other phase yet. and Justin's big PR sin during that was i guess insinuating that she gave him blowjobs? whole different ballgame.

Autogoblin if you go to TMZ now, here's what you'll find out: http://www.tmz.com/2009/03/10/chris-brown-rihanna-mystery-woman-text-message/

blerg

u hello u guys are missing the whole crux of the point of the argument here micheal jackson never raped a famous little boy and had a picture of the aftermath posted to the internet and r kelly never pissed all over dakota fanning on utube duh - and neither of their careers were ever as vanilla as c browns - he is cooked - fuck that guys for good

so he's only finished because another celebrity is involved? I don't get that logic. (See also: Ike Turner, Phil Spector, any number of famous musicians who were well-known to be doing shitty things to their co-performers). The pop machine forgives all, because the only thing that matters in the end is whether or not the narrative makes money. Public morality is a non-issue, this is a market-driven thing.

that goes double for the whole squeaky-clean --> fall from grace --> redemption storyline

xxxx no i meant like, when I was looking at the mag covers I couldn't figure out if they actually gotten back together, were secretly married, had gone on some vacation, if there were legal troubles for brown, etc, like wtf is going on

See also: Ike Turner, Phil Spector, any number of famous musicians who were well-known to be doing shitty things to their co-performers)

If you're trying to argue "the pop machine forgives all," Ike Turner probably isn't the best example to make

haha no kidding

Ike wasn't really publicly vilified until Tina left him in '76. Up to then pop market was all too happy to look the other way.

how fucking stupid are you

stay classy croupier

guys do we really have to be that mean?

we're talking about a battered face of a multiplatinum star on the internet and you're actually writing "well they looked the other way for ike turner"

lots of differences between that and this, first and foremost being there wasn't an omnipresent media reporting on every ike beatdown

my only point is that CELEBRITY BEATS OTHER CELEBRITY is in no way a guaranteed career ender.

if CB releases a genuinely affecting, well-received "baby I'm sorry" ballad or whatever and he and Rihanna stay together the press will eat that shit up

not if the song sucks

if CB releases a well-received "i'm sorry i beat your face in" ballad it will be well-received

Chris Brown would have to turn into Eminem before that ballad would be well-received.

Look I'd like to think I live in the kind of world where Chris Brown will spend a long time in jail and that when he gets out he'll be persona-non-grata for the entire entertainment industry. I have no personal desire to see Brown be successful. But history has shown that not all people who committ scummy scummy acts get the comeuppance they richly deserve (see Roman Polanski.)

It isn't a foregone conclusion that consumers en masse are willing to forgive Chris Brown, even if Rihanna and Akon are.

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. I do think it is a distinct possibility.

(That was mostly a clumsy lead-in for "did you guys see the batshit crazy stuff Akon said re: 'oh, this is just what couples go through'?" but I do think adamantly deciding how this will play out for CB in the future is a mug's game (and yes, I was playing it, too))

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i9Th9k88njmoeIh1Nmw5KLNC1V1gD96R97200

"At the end of the day, what Rihanna and Chris went through is nothing different than what couples go through every day," he said. "They have problems, they go through issues, and some of them, of course, expand to domestic violence which I don't in any way condone. But, you know, sometimes you really can't control it and some people just need to seek help and figure out ways to deal with their emotions and how they deal with issues and certain things."

Nice mix of reasonable statement and total point-missing there (the fact that it happens in a lot of relationships is even more reason to highlight it because we don't want it to happen at all).

Akon is a polygamist blood diamond profiteer who assaults his own fans onstage, and he still has a career, so I can't fault him being optimistic for CB.

"some of them, of course, expand to domestic violence"

OF COURSE??

i'm not sure what that means. OF COURSE, women will sometimes get beaten

i mean yeah who knows what will come for chris but when we're discussing a teenybop cipher with three years worth of hits going "ahhh but people forgave these legendary figures (who went into exile and/or were seen as a fruit loop for the rest of their life) for their crimes" takes cynicism back around into naivete

I would like to say that he meant to say "unfortunately" but I really can't.

ts:

"At the end of the day, what Rihanna and Chris went through is nothing different than what couples go through every day,"

vs

When he could not force her to exit, he took his right hand and shoved her head against he passenger window of the vehicle, causing an approximate one-inch raised circular contusion.

"Robyn F. turned to face Brown and he punched her in the left eye with his right hand. He then drove away in the vehicle and continued to punch her in the face with his right hand while steering the vehicle with his left hand. The assault caused Robyn F.'s mouth to fill with blood and blood to splatter all over her clothing and the interior of the vehicle.

"Brown pulled Robyn F. close to him and bit her on her left ear. She was able to feel the vehicle swerving from right to left as Brown sped away. He stopped the vehicle ... and Robyn F. turned off the car, removed the key from the ignition and sat on it.

"Brown did not know what she did with the key and began punching her in the face and arms. He then placed her in a head lock positioning the front of her throat between his bicep and forearm. Brown began applying pressure to Robyn F.'s left and right carotid arteries, causing her to be unable to breathe and she began to lose consciousness.

akon also once claimed to have a secret hit on the country charts so speaking of fruit loops

Rascal Flats feat. Akon

"who went into exile and/or were seen as a fruit loop for the rest of their life"

Uh not quite.

maybe he's taylor swift

"who went into exile and/or were seen as a fruit loop for the rest of their life"

michael jackson, r kelly, phil spector, roman polanski, bobby brown all seem to fit this bill. if you really want to say "oh but james brown maybe chris brown is like that" go ahead.

Roman Polanski left this country (for a number of reasons) but from day one there were a huge number of Polanski apologists (hell they released a Polanski apology film last year) and it's pretty hard to argue it's hurt him in the artistic accolades department.

I agree with Dan though. This is a silly game.

esp when you bring up "the artistic accolades dept" when comparing roman polanski to chris brown.

Forget it, Jake. It's "Run It!"

I was bringing it up in comparison to seen as a fruit loop for the rest of his life actually, but whatever. Sleep secure in the knowledge that his career is over. I hope you are right.

i guess you missed the "and/or"

I didn't miss the fact that you have no clue what you are talking about though.

Spector and MJ both had hits well after their erm, "eccentricities" became well known. Ike too.

MJ took fucking MacAuley Culkin to the Grammys for chrissakes

Yeah but those were real artists not teeny-bopper empty suits like Chris Brown so you can't compare them anyway.

since we're clearly still playing the mug's game, let's try to imagine how michael's career might have been different if he was arrested for sucking off a little boy when he was 19.

Yeah but those were real artists not teeny-bopper empty suits like Chris Brown so you can't compare them anyway.

Dude, you should have quit about fifteen posts ago. Your idiocy is showing.

i think he was mocking - miccio's last post otm

don't think anyone's mentioned jerry lee lewis - which is an (admittedly dated) example of scandal taking down a talented pop career for good

you have to remember we're working in a context where ike turner's done just fine