Jay Z/ Nas and other hiphop throwdowns...resurrected. Part 4

Indeed, Ess! Did you hear about Chan Marshall joining Disturbing Tha Peace?

also, I'm not saying not being grimy or so-called "real" makes 50 bad, The War Report is one of the most-overated "great" rap records imo.

Also, I haven't heard The War Report for years so I may be distorting what its really like....

i can see the love for Jay-Z a lot more (more evidently amusing, even witty, hollers better, sings even worse) - to give some perspective, but i used to prefer the former for the beats and shit - Jay-Z used to irritate the hell out of me (i didn't even like his skit on 'Crazy In love' at first), go figure - but give me some good Jay-Z album tracks as well, and remind me if 'Who U Wit' is good or not, and if you can where that wonderful backing sample/track to 'Girls Girls Girls' comes from

i've been thinking about actually listening to a full hip hop album for the first time in A LONG TIME lately too, so maybe give me some recommendations (bearing in mind my attitude to and taste in hip hop is pretty much in alignment with Nate's). in fact it's almost scary how few hip hop albums i've heard in full in the last ten years.

Take the risk, yo! The rhymes I was going to use has plain flown out of my head, though

However, I will stump for It Was Written any day! It's super underrated, I didn't think it was a disappointment at all, it just had the misfortune of coming after what, in my mind, is the best rap album ever made....Even though his best metaphor (I Gave You Power) on that album is a quasi-ripoff of Organized Konfusion's Stray Bullet which is better...

stevem, despite what most people will tell you, 'it was written' and 'god's son' are the best nas albums lyrcially, if you want hungry classic queens crack music then 'illmatic' is better but a bit too jazzy. i actually think 'lifestyles ov da poor and dangerous' has better mcing and better beats.

i think nas is better than jay z because i have a feeling i'd get on better with him in real life, i love jay z but i think he'd do my head in after while.

ok i have a question who is better proof vs royce the 5'9"?

But since we talking about 50, I gots to go with Chris Rock. All you hear about 50 is "he got shot 9 times!" hows the record? "HE GOT SHOT 9 TIMES!". Yeah some of the tracks are tight, but most of that is down to production, and yeah he puts down (a few) hot lines but it aint a great album. As for him being hardcore, well, the spits are hardcore, the way he does it aint. If you want hardcore, go with DMX.

But to leave on a high note, heres a little from my man Dizzee Rascal. 19 year old kid from London who just won the Mercury music prize which is a pretty big deal over here.

"more destructive and troublesome than ever/i'll PROBABLY be doing this PROBABLY forever/fellas wanna stop me they'll PROBABLY come together/its PROBABLE they'll stop me/PROBABLY - never"

I'm out like... part 1, part 2 and part 3...

Peace

his new single is a lot more fun if you imagine him yelling "I LOVE DIIICK" instead of the actual chorus. and the video supplants what is usually his overt homoeroticism with ALL OUT GAY PORN ORGY.

1) He basically (w/songs like Rikers Island, Streets of New York, and Talk Like Sex) was the first hardcore gangsta NYC MC.

2) His tragically underrated Live and Let Die (even though it supposedly got butchered in the final release thanx to Ice-T's cop killa) is really the first NYC record to incoporate some of the West Coast sound and gangsta attitude...Bascially, the same thing Biggie did with Ready to Die but 2 years before Biggie came out

3) His flow, voice, lyrics, everything are damn near perfect

And by the way, if you can't recognize what Beyonce is talkin about in that song by how she's singing and what she says, then I am 100% sure you two will never get married. I mean, you realistically had a chance because who knows what would happen if y'all actually met. But I now see if y'all met, it wouldn't do you no good. Now if she came up to me spittin all that, I'd be on that ass faster than Steve Spurrier on a plane out of DC! Whoa. That's pretty fast. I mean, damn, son, she'd go "Undress me, undress me, undress me" and you'd be like "What for? I'm not sure what you're talking about. Can you clarify?" LMAO!

You flunkie.

I'm out like Beyonce would be after Qool couldn't recognize the signs. Peace!

His name was Kunta, dumb ass.

"I already stated that I ain't see the game, so why is my statement the most idiotic thing you've heard?" - QS 1/6/04

For you to make the statement that the league should reverse the W and give it to the Seahawks when you don't know what actually happened is a pretty idiotic thing to do. First of all, that call did NOT cost the Seahawks the game. Had they got the call right, B'More probably would have used their last TO to stop the clock. It would have made it harder for them to get into FG position, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have been done! It might have forced them into a Hail Mary that could have been caught, just like in the Zona/Vikings game. B'More still would have had a decent chance, so to take the win from em because the refs made a mistake would assume a lot against B'More which wouldn't be fair at all! Plus, the league didn't say the refs cost the Seahawks the game; they said the refs made a mistake that hurt the Seahawks. It hurt them, BUT THEY STILL HAD A CHANCE TO WIN! Plus, I NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER said the mistake was cool. You won't find anything REMOTELY close to that. All I said was it didn't cost the Seahawks the game. And I've NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER said we should settle for bad officiating. When did I say anything remotely close to that? Of course, I feel there's room for improvement. My stance has been, and will continue to be, that referees do NOT cost a team a game on ONE bad call. Maybe - MAYBE - on several bad calls, but ONE? That's asinine!

"Fool, PI is clear cut. You can bump 5 yards off the line or so and you can make some contact when going for the ball." - QS 1/6/04

Ok, peep this, Jack. Have you ever watched a game and there's an incomplete pass near the receiver and there's some contact and the receiver gets up begging for a flag and the ref throws it and the DB goes nuts cause he disagrees? You and I know the rulebook definition of PI, but that doesn't mean every PI call or non call is that clear cut. Why do you think receivers and DBs often disagree over it? And your definition is extremely vague. You can make A TON of contact if the ball is uncatchable or tipped. You can't make ANY contact if you don't turn your head and make a play on the ball. And all those are JUDGEMENT calls. I understand that some PI calls or non calls are blatantly wrong SOMETIMES, but you can't just review the blatanly wrong and ignore the not so blatant ones. The point of replay is not to get EVERY call right. Again, if it was, no one would watch these six and seven hour football games. It's purpose is to give coaches an opportunity to question a call they feel might adversely affect the outcome of a game. But still, you mean to tell me you ain't never seen a PI call that could go either way? You ain't NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER seen a PI call or non call that wasn't clear cut? Honestly? Honestly, Qool? Even after a replay? You really believe PI is ALWAYS clear cut? Always, Qool? Honestly? Honestly?

"Moving on (somewhat) there are points in life where every detail is called correctly, so you are wrong right there." QS 1/4/04

That childish example with God ain't gonna cut it. God isn't on the field refereeing the game. HUMANS are! We're talking about flawed HUMANS calling a football game. Do you hold the refs up to God's standards? Since God is perfect, the refs must call football games perfect? Did you seriously post that nonsense about God?! That's your example?! A perfect NON HUMAN?! Ok, can you give me an example considering the HUMAN element of imperfection where every detail is called correctly?

"Moving on, how do you know what a team said when the cameras weren't there? That's right, you don't. More lies." - QS 1/6/04

I didn't know you were referring to the locker rooms and off camera. You said "Maybe at the time they ain't know, but afterwards, when it was on the news and ESPN, you telling me that they ain't say it was the refs?" and I thought you were talking about them being in the news or ESPN after they found out. I apologize. I misunderstood. You're right. Off camera, I don't know. However, when asked about it in the news and on ESPN, they didn't blame the refs or the mistake. They blamed themselves. That's all I meant to convey.

"If my team is up with four seconds left and the ref makes the WRONG call, which puts the other team on the goal line, and that other team wins because of that, that's my fault?" - QS 1/6/04

It's absolutely not your fault, but it's not the other team's fault, either. That's what you fail to realize. You CANNOT punish a team because of ONE bad call! What about earlier "bad" calls? They don't matter anymore? Why do you focus on just the "final" one? For the sake of argument, let's say things unfold like you say they should. Let's say the Colts are up 24-20 on the Chiefs next week. The Chiefs get the ball and throw a hail mary and PI is called, but it's a "bad" call. The Chiefs get it on the one, score, and win. So later the league apologizes and says it was not PI, reverses the W and the Colts still win. So what if the Chiefs go to the league and say, "We had a TD called back on holding. It's not holding. Plus, on this blocked FG, the guy is lined up offsides. That cost us 10 points." So the league reviews it and the Chiefs are right. Can they re-reverse it? Should every game came down to how many "bad" calls the league finds and whoever has the most go against them, then that team wins? As you asked about pointless bars, where do we draw the line? I admit that it is technically possible to review all questionable calls, but the league is trying to limit the amount of controversy around replays which is why they limit it to ball spots or catches - where conclusive evidence will prove the ball hit the ground or his knee was down or his arm was going forward. Things like hldong or PI are what the league (not just me) refers to as judgement calls and feel that the game is best served if those calls are best left up to the officials. And I happen to agree. Since you don't, then fine, but don't act like EVERY call type should be up for review because it's always "clear cut."

"And I don't believe that you really believe that cuz (Luda) is better (than Jada), thus I can call it a lie." QS 1/6/04

No you can't, dumb ass, cause I didn't say Luda was better than Jada. I said it was a tie... lol, how you gon twist that, MORON? Anyway, I'm through debating my opinion with someone who clowns Ludacris and then reps Wish Bone (on a song he didn't even spit on) and Memphis Bleek (all that marketing; he still flops). You can have your opinion. I personally think all of DMX's albums after his debut were suspect. But if you like em, fine. I personally think all LOX and other related CDs by their members are atrocious. In fact, I was listening to DMX's debut the other day and was reminded why I couldn't stand them back then. But that's my opinion. If you thought they was tight, then fine. Whatever.

"And what band does cuz from Outkast have? LOL, that's him...that's all him." QS - 1/6/04

In real life, Qool, yes, it's him. But as it is CLEARLY portrayed in the video, the band is made up of different characters (i.e. Andre 3000, Johnny Vulture, Possum Jenkins, the Love Haters, etc.) Did you miss that? Like the Klumps are all played by Eddie Murphy, but he plays different CHARACTERS? Did you miss that? There's Sherman, (come on) Cletus, the mamma, the brother, plus Buddy? Did you miss that? In Austin Powers with Beyonce, Mike Myers plays Austin, Goldmember, Fat Bastard, and Dr. Evil? Did you miss that? Andre 3000 plays about 6 distinct members. Moving on (somewhat), the artist tells us the point. I have explained it to you. Why can't you admit you're wrong? Why must you say stupid things like Beyonce and Lucy Liu have nothing to do with the song when they are CLEARLY metaphors for other attractive women listening in the audience? CLEARLY! Why must you make up verses? Why do you ignore the songs real verses and point to him talking the band and audience like it has nothing to do with anything? Why, Qool, why, must you make up incorrect inconclusions just because you can't admit you're wrong? WHY MUST YOU DEBATE WITH THE ARTIST WHEN HE TELLS US THE POINT OF HIS SONG?! You're a joke!

"Lastly, if Beyonce came up to you singing a song and you just rushed her and commenced to take it, you would be in jail so fast and I'd be laughin my rectum off, dummy." QS - 1/6/04

Maybe. If she sang it. But I'm talkin about if she SAID it to me. You know? TALKING? That whole conversation thing? Saying and singing are two different things. I said if she SAID - Not SANG. SAID. NOT SANG. SAID. NOT SANG. Get it? Yes? No? Anyway, if she SAID "Undress me, undress me" or if she SAID, "Here's your chance to make your move" and this was SAID to me, the only place I'm goin fast is all up in that - quite legally. If she SAID those things TO YOU, and you think to yourself, "Aw, she's just singing a song" even though she SAYS them to you and is TALKING to you, then playa, that's your interpretation.

I wanna apologize for any confusion about Jerry Jones. I wasn't trying to put a twist on it. I wasn't trying to explain it to you. I was just lettin you know what I thought about the situation. I was just givin you my opinion on that. You could be right. I just think Parcells runs the show, no matter what is said on camera. That's just me. And I admit that you have a right to say that Timbo and Pharrell shouldn't rap or sing since they know they can't. I agree that people who can't hoop or write should not be calling up the Bulls or the Post. I'm just saying your analogies were off. Timbo and Pharrell aren't calling anybody saying "Sign me up." Or "Give me a job!" They produce their own songs and album and distribute them on their OWN dime. It's on them and not some other organization that they tried to get on with. A better analogy would be, I probably shouldn't produce my own newpsaper if I can't report the news very well.

I'm out like Brian Westbrook. Peace!

"I refuse to get excited about ANY move the Skins make until they prove it to me." - QS

You got to be halfway excited about Gibbs. Come on, Cletus, just a little, right?

H*WOOD, you've repped Cassidy before. From the video I saw with him and R. Kelly, he's wack. And it has nothing to do with the song cause R. Kelly and the beat and hook are straight. But his flow and lyrics are lame. What songs by Cassidy are any good?

I'm out like Joe Gibbs from retirement. Peace!

So if the people at work called you "Dumb A$$ N*gger Monkey" and you maintained your name was QS, you'd be stubborn? lol

"God is my answer and I played that card cause it ain't no way you can dispute it." - QS 1/12/04

No, that's your answer because you suck at debating. Comparing GOD'S infallibility to HUMAN refereeing is moronic. You still haven't answered the question and I suspect you won't. Plus, you said "points" as in PLURAL as in MORE THAN ONE. So even if I accepted that God answer - which I don't - you still owe me one more.

"Anyway, youngin do you not understand that whatever rap cred you had, you are losing?" - QS 1/12/04

Do you think I care if I lose any rap credibility on this predominantly East Coast biased thread? Or any thread? Or anywhere?lol... Am I supposed to hide the fact that I enjoy Southern rap because 5 or 6 cats on the i-net (fam-o) I don't even really know don't like it? Maybe you come on here looking for acceptance about the music you enjoy, but I don't give a “flying flikkerin fukk what you think about my taste in rap/hip-hop, lol... "Rap cred?" Negro please. I ain't even gonna try to slide in any jabs about music you enjoy that I personally find wack. Let's just say that Hillis has no "rap cred" in Qoolout's opinion? Ok? And staying along those lines, I'm not about to debate about which MC is wacker between Tim and Bleek. Peep this, Jack. I look at Timbo like I'm trying to hoop with 10 and we only got 9. So Timbo is there and we ask if he'll run, and he tells us he sucks, but we pick him up just to run. So he proceeds to turn the ball over and get crossed by his man and lit up, but we can't really be mad cause he told us the situation. Bleek is that cat that swears up and down he's nice, but in the game he jacks up threes because he thinks goin for 1 for 20 behind the arc is ok, and he drives 1 on 4 because he made that shot 6 years ago on the high school JV team and thinks it's a high percentage shot. He shoots his team out the game and pisses them off. Now, I'm NOT saying that's how YOU should look at it, but that's how I do. I'll just leave it at that.

"Anyway, I already said taking away the W does not apply in that B-More game. Why the long rant?" - QS 1/12/04

Because you asked me why I thought it was the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.

"No, I've never seen the receiver beg for a flag and then get it, ONLY after begging. What game was that, if you saw it?" - QS 1/12/04

If I worded my statements in a way that implied that the receiver got the flag because he begged for it, then I apologize. The reason the ref called PI is irrelevant. I was pointing out the different reactions to it. The receiver thought it was PI, the ref agreed; however, the DB didn't. In the Colts/Chiefs game, Tony Gonzalez was called for PI on a TD he scored. After the game he said it was a bad call. Personally, I thought Gonzalez pushed off and it was a valid call, but it was kind of weak so I understood his side. My roommate agreed it could have gone either way. I'm sure the DB thought it was PI because Gonzalez injured him when he pushed off of him. The point is, it wasn't blatantly one way or the other as you seem to think ALL PI calls are. And for someone who supposedly played football - and receiver at that - to think ALL PI calls are clear cut is mind boggling.

"If it takes TOO long for you then so be it." - QS 1/12/04

I agree that officiating can always improve and that refs should be full time. I also think it's silly to say that a ref is always correct on certain calls, but others are up for interpretation. But in my OPINION, I think if you just make every call reviewable you take it back to the old way of instant replay that hurt the game. If you'll recall, there was a recent time when the NFL didn't have instant replay. Before that, they did. But players, coaches, GMs, and presidents didn't like it because it took too long - especially in a close game after the final two minute warning. They felt it slowed down the natural flow of the game and the refs took too long deciding on calls. Plus the refs, usually are about 90-95% anyway. So they got rid of it. But now it's back in the amended form to keep the flow of the game while still giving coaches to determine calls which truly might decide the outcome of the game. Plus the refs have a time limit. And you might be surprised to know, that some of the league don't like instant replay at all. Your way could be done, but I just think it would lessen the watchability of games. In my opinion. And yes, I like the NFL OT rule. I like the college rule, too, but I like the NFL rule more. It's no different from time of possesion. Why whine cause you ain't get the ball in OT? Play some damn defense!

"If the ref makes the wrong call at the end of the game, that is a bad call and it may very well alter the outcome of the game." - QS 1/12/04

I agree with that statement; however, that's not what you've really been arguing. But ONE call BY ITSELF does NOT cost a team an ENTIRE game! An ENTIRE game? Sure, it can alter the outcome of a game just like a missed block, or a crucial drop, or an untimely fumble, or all the other normal happenings of a game. I answer your questions; answer mine! What about that same "bad" call in the first or second quarter? Does it not matter then? What if the Chiefs got more bad calls against them earlier but the Colts just got that bad PI at the end? Which team gets the win then? I wonder what it's like to play b-ball with you. I guess if Qoolout does or doesn't think it's a foul it, Qool must be right because it's "clear cut." FLIP OUTTA HERE! You gonna tell me that whenever you hoop you ain't never been in or at least seen a situation where two cats were arguin about a foul call?!

"Man, if saying Beyonce really was a metaphor, how can you put CLEARLY up in that? I didn’t know it meant attractive women and Lucy Liu would not be in my attractive category." - QS 1/12/04

I guess you and the 2 other people who didn't understand that can discuss it all day. So since Qool doesn't think Lucy Liu is attractive, then she must not be, huh? Come on, dun! You gotta at least know that Lucy Liu is widely considered an attractive woman. Very attractive in my opinion. And he said "Beyonces" and "Lucy Lius," as in PLURAL, as in MORE THAN ONE! Of course, you're probably just pretending to miss that to cling to your incorrect conclusion that Hey Ya doesn't have a point. Down with the ship, indeed. And yeah, I have all those names memorized. He's referred to himself by those names WAY before Hey Ya came out so I already knew the names. Shouldn't you know that already "Hey Ya Expert?"

"Maybe you have to jump on any opportunity you can get (which I believe), if so that would explain why you would be in it quick." - QS 1/12/04

Maybe. Either way, I'm cuttin Beyonce and you're still wonderin what she meant. And if I were you, I'd be skeptical if a fine ass woman asked me to undress her, too... lol

Again, you may be right about Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells; however, most football pundits know that Parcells likes to have a LOT of control, and if he doesn't get it, he'll bounce like he did in New England. Those same pundits also know that Jerry Jones likes to meddle in football affairs more than he should. So for a coach like Parcells to go work with an owner like Jones makes me believe that there was some type of agreement that Jones will stay out of the way. And with them making the playoffs, I think Parcells hold on the Boys have strengthened. Kind of like I think Snyder will stay out of Gibbs way. And FYI, when you try and clown me on what I think about Parcells and Jones, it makes you look stupid when you acknowledge that I'm right after you TRY and clown me, MORON... Now, you said you liked the Cassidy song; but what do you think of Cassidy as an MC?... I been listenin to Through The Wire cause it's all over the place and I gotta admit that Kanye has me crackin up. Of course, two songs ain't gonna have me change my tune yet...
Your analogies sucked. If I call up the Bulls or the Post, I'm probably lookin to get paid by the Bulls or the Post. Timbo ain't gettin paid by no one but the people buying his records. Nothin else to say man, your analogies suck!

Maybe my "rap cred" is chillin with your clout... lol

I'm out like my rap cred. Peace!

Before I open with my rebuttal, I just want to know, who are you referring to when you say "everybody?" You say "everybody" knows I'm lying or "everybody" knows I'm wrong. Who? The TA Dodgers you work with? Is some female MSNing you again? More phantom fans? Is there a thread you started where everybody posts against me? lol I haven't seen anybody other than us post in weeks! And even when they post they stay out of our debates. So who is "everybody?"

First, your God example isn't a matter of being correct or incorrect. It's irrelevant. Sure, God doesn't make mistakes. But I never said anything about every being in the universe makes mistakes. I said there's never a point in life where every detail is called correctly. So when is God on earth in physical form goin, "No, this is what really happened..." Well? Have you seen Him? Tell me where God just sits on Earth in the physical lettin everybody know what really happened at the car wreck or the murder scene or to JFK, Jimmy Hoffa, Pac and BIG? I'll be there in a heartbeat! God doesn't make mistakes, but He's not anywhere calling out details at events, either. Second, we're talking about referees (i.e. HUMANS) and you brought in GOD???!!! So the referees shouldn't make mistakes refereeing because GOD doesn't make mistakes?! GOD?! GOD?! You absolutely cannot be serious! Third, you said points plural! You need to come with another example to validate your example (which you won't do because you can't). Why can't you come with more? lol Just say Zeus or Allah or Buddha or somebody, lol...

Me finding quotes about legitimate arguments we have here on the thread is unrelated to what you believe my "rap cred" is. I haven't found quotes trying to prove my "rap cred" to you, nor have I said anything about what I think about YOUR rap cred. So again, we'll just say that Qoolout thinks I've lost rap cred and we'll add that you think I care... lol

Well, I see how you feel the both teams get the ball in OT rule is more fair, but I think it's irrelevant. I feel if you can't win in the first 60 minutes, don't whine cause you lose the coin toss in OT and get scored on first. Is it fair that a team that gets the ball back in the second half can score right before the first half and retain possesion when the second half resumes? Why don't we just give everybody an even number of series for the entire game?

If you answered my question about the bad calls, I can't tell. I didn't ask which is worse. I asked who gets the win. And if you think the team that has the bad call go against them at the end should win, then why? Why should they be rewarded with a win because of when ONE bad call went against them? Why should the other team be punished because ONE bad call helped them at a specific time in the game? You have NOT been arguing that a bad call can alter a game. You've been arguing that ONE bad call can cost a team an ENTIRE game. A bad call can alter a game like this; if there's a bad PI call on the final drive of a game, on the next play or plays the defenders might be too nervous to play aggressive, so they get beat on some passes and the other team scores the winning TD. COMBINED with the DBs soft coverage, the bad call affected the other team, but it isn't the ONLY reason the team lost. Or if it happens at the end of the game, why do you ignore the first 59 minutes? You say missed blocks and tackles and dropped passes are the team's fault; so we just forget about the drops and missed blocks because of ONE bad call at the end? ONE? I could see three or four. But ONE?! Naw, I'm not feelin that. ONE call? Naw, man. Naw. Riddle me this; when the Bills and Giants played in the Super Bowl and Scott Norwood missed the game winning FG, was the fact the Bills lost the Super Bowl ALL his fault? Even though he had made some FGs earlier? Did he singlehandely (or footedly) lose the Super Bowl for the Bills?

Whining about the kneel down? Please. So I'm supposed to whip up on you all game, hold you on fourth down or get an INT and I can kneel down and get a win and keep my players from getting injured, but instead I'm supposed to give you a chance to win for no other reason than you guys couldn't get it done with all the other chances you had. We're just supposed to give you chances? Should I call timeouts for you, too? Maybe I should just give you an INT for no other reason than somebody thinks the kneel down is bad for the game. That makes no sense. How would you facilitate a "real" play at that point? Who's to say that the QB doesn't pitch it back to the TB and he just "slips?" I guess at the end of b-ball games the team winning should jack up shots with no later than 20 seconds remaining on the shot clock just to basically hand the other team the game, huh? Why is it that you don't expect teams to win on their own anymore?

Dude, I think Bleek is wacker than Timbo. On a PURELY lyrical level, Bleek is generally more complex, but it doesn't make up for his overall wackness and delusions of grandeur. Bleek does nothing for me. Nothing at all. At least Timbaland makes me laugh. I can see why you like Bleek more. Fine. Whatever. But he sucks to me. Worse than Timbo. I understand your hoopin analogy, but I still look at Timbo and Bleek the way I did earlier. That's just me.

It wouldn't be Kobe, er, I mean, rape. The only thing gettin raped is your ego as I'm LEGALLY cuttin up your girl. And I don't care what you said; if a fine ass woman came up to you and asked you to undress her, YOU should be skeptical... lol

Regarding everybody you asked either didn't know the point of Hey Ya or said it didn't have one... Ok, for the people who didn't know it, peep this; we don't know your legal name - does that mean you don't have one? Maybe they just need the point explained to them, like you did. Whether they choose to ignore it like you do is up to them. But them not knowing it doesn't mean that the song doesn't have one. And WHO beside YOU says it doesn't? My roomate and my friends know the point - we're familiar with Outkast's work so we got it. And you say nobody other than me says it has a point. First of all, Andre 3000 says it has a point. Second, did you miss that YOU are the only one who says it does not?! Yeah, you, negro. I didn't see H*WOOD, J-Dolo, Best, or anybody else go "Oh yeah, Qool, you're right. Hey Ya doesn't have a point." Did that slip your mind or did you ignore it just to help your lame arguments? Well, it doesn't matter. The song has a point and why you continue to argue is beyond me. And just because YOU didn't get "Beyonces and Lucy Lius" doesn't mean it isn't clear. It just means YOU didn't get it. My roommate and my other friends all understand that Lucy Liu and Beyonce are both considered attractive women. They got the metaphor. It should be easy to get it with him just saying "Beyonces and baby dolls." But you "missed" or pretend to so there's nothin else to say, man. You're a joke.

If you don't care about the region, why did you jump in with only "bad" Southern lyrics back in the first thread? Why not stay out of it or post bad lyrics from East Coast artists, too? Yeah. Exactly.

I guess that part about Parcells confused you. I capitalized "a lot" to emphasize that he likes control over the organization more than most coaches. I thought that would be clear, but I forgot NOTHING is clear to you, so I apologize. Bill Parcells likes a lot more control than most normal coaches. His famous quote after he bounced from New England was along the lines of "If you want me to cook the dinner, at least let me pick out the groceries" because owner Bob Kraft didn't give him enough say in personnel decisions. So, again, I find it hard to believe that a coach like Parcells would go work for an owner like Jones unless Jones gave up most of the contol. But that's my opinion.

Yeah, the people are buying Timbo records. He ain't tellin people to pay him to make records. The records are made already. In your dumb ass analogies, the product has yet to be made. The articles for the Post aren't written. The basketball games for the Bulls haven't been played. And he's not expecting you to buy his records because he can or cannot rap. His sales are based off his beats.

"Cassidy as an MC, based on what I heard, ain’t all that. But he’s not terrible. I could hear some more that may make me say he’s great or horrible. Time will tell. When did I say I like him? You say two songs ain’t gonna change your tune, but how many did it take to set your tune?" - QS 1/24/04

You lost me. I didn't say you liked Cassidy. And those two songs that weren't gonna change my tune were about Kanye West. Did you switch topics to Kanye and forget to put his name in there? I'm gonna wait for you to respond so I know what the *bleep* you're talking about.

I'm out like a Qoolout debate. Peace!

You can't use "everybody" and ASSUME that they agree with you about me SUPPOSEDLY "lying." I haven't lied to you. Because I don't agree with your way of thinking, I must be "lying?" Goin down with the ship, huh? Because I don't agree with you? Because I like Ludacris or I'd listen to Timbaland before Memphis Bleek? That's lying? Because I don't allow you to use half of my sentences and leave out a crucial part? I'm lying? People with "common sense" can see I'm lying? How am I "lying?" What have I lied about? Are you saying I'm lying about my OWN opinion, an opinion about DA SOUTH I've stated and backed since my first post? What have I lied about? What, Qool, what?

EVERYBODY I know says Hey Ya has a point or they aren't sure. After I tell those that don't already know what ANDRE 3000 (THE FLIPPIN ARTIST HIMSELF) says it's about, they get it. You see, just because QOOLOUT says it ain't about nothin, doesn't mean anything. QOOLOUT is nobody. QOOLOUT can't tell ANDRE 3000 what's in his head or what was in his head when he wrote the song. QOOLOUT is wrong. QOOLOUT may not get it and QOOLOUT may try all types of angles, but QOOLOUT is no authority on a song he didn't even write. If ANDRE 3000 (THE FLIPPIN ARTIST HIMSELF) tells us the point, why would anybody care what QOOLOUT thinks?

Still avoiding the issue, eh? God is everywhere, true; so is He everywhere correctly calling out the details of an event? Where does this happen Qool? WHERE? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION, QOOLOUT? WHERE IS GOD PHYSICALLY CALLING EVERY DETAIL CORRECTLY? WHERE? WHERE? I didn't say He couldn't or He isn't everywhere! CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION QOOLOUT? Your smokescreens are useless and your God example is stupid - and you know it. Down with the ship, indeed. WHERE'S YOUR SECOND EXAMPLE?! W-A-S-I-T-S-O-M-E-T-H-I-N-G-I-S-A-I-D?

Next, we do agree that YOU (and only YOU) believe I care about your opinion on my rap cred... lol

Next, you don't know how Jerry Jones runs his team so you are talking just to be talking. You can have the last word here, too, but only after we both agree that you are just running your mouth (yeah, I took yo statement - I can easily say the same thing to you, Foolout)...

Blah, blah, blah, I'm still cuttin Beyonce up LEGALLY while you're STILL debatin the merits of her words... MORON!

CAN YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION, QOOLOUT? If a game has one bad call that "costs" Team A a TD at the beginning of the game, and Team B has a bad call "costs" them the game winning TD at the end of the game, WHO SHOULD GET THE WIN IN YOUR OPINION? Since you claim the one at the end is "worse" (when it's really just more memorable), does that mean that Team B "deserves" the win more than Team A, so the NFL should give it to Team B? Moving on (somewhat), why is it that you only care about the bad calls at the end of a game? What about teams that get bad calls in the first quarter? You said teams aren't out there to overcome bad calls; so just because they have three quarters to "overcome" it should be irrelevant. Right? And as far as your rambling on about the kneel down, I didn't say anything about what you thought it was when you were 6. I'm talking about what you just posted at age 24. You, at age 24, said (and I quote) "I think you should have to run or throw and risk losing the ball." That's what YOU said. At age 24. And you said this was related to making the NFL better. So I say, the ONLY reason a team would do something that flippin STUPID is to basically HAND the other team a chance to win. So I'm saying why should a team fight to get up and be able to win the game with a kneel down but have to run a "real" play and risk an unnecessary injury or fumble simply because the other team couldn't do their job? Or in other words, I disagree and I think it would be stupid.

"FYI, you can phone the Post and get old papers. Like if you want the paper that was released on 9-11, call em and get it. Thus, the articles are already done." - QS 1/26/04

Aiyo, check it, what the flying flikkerin fukk does articles written on 9-11 BY OTHER PEOPLE have to do with articles I'm trying to write for the Post? If I call up the Post trying to write articles, you won't find any by ME on 9-11! Thus, the articles are NOT written! Dumb a$$! And as far as Timbaland goes, he isn't asking people to pay him to make the product. The product is made first, then he asks to get paid. A better analogy would be The Post tellin everybody their newspaper sucks, but also trying to get subscriptions or having them on newsstands for $1. Nothin else to say man, your analogies suck!

I wasn't trying to prove a point about Cassidy/K. West. I just didn't want to assume you were talking about Kanye and then you try play like I'm putting words in your mouth. You know how you are. I mean, you asked when you said you liked him, but you never said you liked him. And I never said you did, so why you would ask that baffles me. So since THAT didn't make sense, I just wanted to be sure I didn't just assume what you meant without more clarification. Anyway, I've heard 3 songs with Kanye West. One was on BP2, one is Slow Jamz, and the other is Through The Wire. On all three I think his rhyming is suspect. However, I ain't gon hate and lie that he has had me rolling on two or three lines. The song I heard on BP2, he was wack. Through The Wire has a good beat, but I wasn't really impressed with his flow - mouth wired shut or not. But he did have me laugh about orderin pancakes and sippin the sizzerp and lookin like Emmit Till and the line in Slow Jamz about Michael Jackson. So I guess it took three songs to set my tune. But those few lines won't change it all by themselves.

Now you asked me to do this, so here you go...

"Anyway, I agree I was hating on the South, but that was because y'all was hating on the East..." - QS 12/5/01

"And if someone attacks a rapper or coast that I like, I'ma attack one of their rappers or their coast." QS 12/5/01

At the time, Best and Big J were postin wack South lyrics, so me and Bama fought back with wack East Coast lyrics. Then you jumped in misquotin every Southern rapper you could find. You said you were defending the East Coast from us, but why? We only posted against the East in OUR defense. You even said that East Coast had wack lyrics, too. So why did you feel the need to involve yourself by posting only bad Southern lyrics if you're neutral. Why not post both and say that bad lyrics are everywhere?

I'm out like bad Southern lyrics. Peace!

I started this thing and I'ma end it.

At first, I was just gonna leave this board and not post since it was just me and Qoolout anyway. But recently, I been thinkin, I just can't go out without saying my last lil bit. This probably won't ever get read, but I thought I'd drop this unappreciated masterpiece anyway, just to have closure. If this board or any other continuation gets hot again, it'll be without me. I'm never posting on ILxor.com again. If you want my opinion on anything, just email me. I'm through. I'm out. I'm done. But before I go...

I was wrong about Kanye West. He's flippin flames. As a pure rapper, he's good, but his production skills are exceptional. He's on Timbaland/Dre status as a producer. Except he can rap. He's hilarious. He hasn't shown if he has any versatility cause all his flows are comical and his metaphors are witty, but they seem to be more about laughs. I would assume he can battle but hasn't shown and can flow deep, but it's more of a stand up comedy deep than just a somber deep - like a Nas or Pac. As far as his album goes, it's flames. A 5 mic-er, in my opinion. Spaceship, School Spirit, and Get Em High are the best to me. Last Call is nice and it has Kanye explainin his rise to fame. The other tracks are pretty good, but the first four I mentioned are the standouts if you ask me. So I say, get the College Dropout. I'd say you should be able to find at least 6 songs you actively bump - unless you just are totally opposed to Kanye West. Still, I say buy it. Here's one classic line "I dropped outta school quick, I always had a PhD, a PRETTY HUGE DICK!" LMAO!

Since this is my final post, I gotta give props to Nchekwube. You are the funniest nigga I ain't never seen. I don't know if we ever met if you'd swing at me or ignore me or we'd be cool. But if I ever met your ass, I'd laugh for an hour straight. Swear to God. I'm sure you know you can flow. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You helped me step up my raps - no shame in admitting it. I feel like my weakest raps on here are better than 60% of the stuff out now simply because I knew if I brought some BS, I would get served. Of course, you may still say I suck. Whatever. I look back at the first board and our raps were miles behind what we did later. Some of them joints actually sucked. But both of our styles changed for the better. As a man, I can say you're nice and battlin you was the main reason I improved. And I see a great improvement in your style that I know I helped bring about, but if you say I had nothing to do with it, then I'll leave it at that. I don't know how seriously you take your mic skills, but I'd say you'd have a good chance of gettin a deal if you tried. On the real. That line about stepping into your office of rhymin so I can beat you with my suitcase would have been a good ass skit for a video. That line was hilarious. Also, you may want to think about comedy. Some of them posts had me CRYIN. "Ah, Robbie, that verse was mad tight, son......................... I'm lying" was hands down the funniest thing I ever saw on here. Classic. Classic. Other classics: "Unlinkable bars," that time you clowned me for pretendin to be you and Big J and askin for props - like I thought it was the tightest shit ever. HA HA HA! At the time, I thought it was, but now I look at it and shake my head and then LMAO... I know for a fact I wasn't the only one that found you funny. I have no reason to believe you ain't doin that engineerin thang, but if that don't work out, try spittin or comedy. lol I still don't agree with any of that Nas stuff - nor AZ, Cormega, Mobb Deep, and all your other rap points. I ain't dissin em, I just don't agree. But that's the truth so you can take this last post to the bank cause I'm out on this topic.

Qoolout may or may not care if I mention this, but oh well. I've met his non Madden playin ass now that I've moved to Virginia. I'm 10 minutes from DC now. Yup, H3K has left DA SOUTH but his heart's still there. But anyway, Qool talked all this nonsense about bein good at Madden, but he got served like that terrible movie. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to ball with him yet, but he better hope his hoop skills is better than his Madden skills. The funny thing about that is that we don't tell anyone we know how we really met - it sounds kind of fruity. For real, how would it sound if H*WOOD told his friend he first met 3:16 on the inet famo. So we say met hoopin, even though Qool has yet to get served. Even though we know what will soon happen. Qoolout was just as funny, but a lot of his humor wasn't as overt as Best. He also rhymed and battled tight, too. "I live in VA, dummy." Them flows was ill. But since I've met him, Best is still the funniest nigga I ain't seen. Them b-ball hoops rhymes was classic, too... if I ever blow up, I'll steal them. Nah, I'm just foolin... or am I...

H*WOOD, keep doin the DJ thang. I hope you make it... Steph, if you still spittin, go head with it... Faye, I don't even know what you do, but maybe Baron Davis will come around... Macka, you showed me that hip hop is alive and well. You knew hip hop like an American. That's an ignorant statement, but it's the only real way for me to show that I understand how credible a hip hop source you are. And don't stop spittin, Great Britain... Wiz - sorry I ain't put you in the 3rd post mention... lol I know you ain't mind, nigga! Dolo, hold it down at the corrections facility - if that's what you still be doin. If you feel the need to spit again, go back them Seriousness spits to get some inspiration... Kazper, hold it down in M-Town, North North, Orange Mound...

Anyway, to the rest of you cats, I gotta say that it was real. I ain't gonna front, this thread was a part of me for almost 3 years. Discussing my love of hip hop, sports, and battlin all of you has been a real highlight and it was nice to get some different views on all the issues we've discussed. And before I forget, when Wiz dissed me and said "these gays" that was the best diss on here out of all 4 boards. I got my ass murked on that one. But the best thing about it was that I totally didn't expect it. Best, Qool, maybe Dolo or Macka, but Wiz came out of nowhere (in my eyes) and said "You got served" like a B2K movie. That shit had me rollin. But still, everybody's called it quits, so H3K is out. And I ain't comin back like Jordan wavin the 4-5. Like I said, any of you can hit me on the email addy - even Best! lol

To anybody or anything I forgot, charge it to my head and not my heart...

"I'm Rick James, bitch!"

I'm out like me. Peace!

"you cannot even understand what the hell they saying all they rap about is shouty and girls with big butts" = exactly what white america said about ALL RAP when it was new = southern rap must be the BOMB if it's getting reactions like that

I suspect "jiggy"/"bling"/etc. has had its day as the primary hip-hop meme, and that conscious/whatever will rise, along with, interestingly enough, hardcore. This will happen because, oddly enough, both prize "authenticity."

-- Ess, Thursday, 11 September 2003 19:12 (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

Ess the seer

it's a beautiful thing.

-- HOOS is BACK steenaz (Hoosteen), Thursday, January 4, 2007 2:30 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

wtf is this

in a hoosteen state of mind

where is part 1?

oh wait is this it? Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs?

Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs? Pt. 2: The Saga Continues.

(trying to find it to show someone)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YWYPaY5UUg

o_O

uh

Must be a friend of his.

important video

why is nas hanging jay-z
iRapMad 3 days ago

because he won the beef after he dropped ether
MCBobbyE in reply to iRapMad 3 days ago

"Since Jay-Z would really let us hang him, we made this"

this dude is creepy as fuck

Nas to be on CNN tomorrow morning for Soledad Obrien's Starting Point...
Nas to be a panelist on CNN tomorrow morning [6.13.12] for Soledad Obrien's Starting Point

Nas will get into all this tomorrow

rip jay z

I wanted to comment on the historical resonance of a bunch of white dudes making an animatronic image of a famous black dude that they could program to realistically struggle and twitch as they hang him from a gallows pole but the fact that this was all commissioned by another famous black dude is melting my mind.

also m@tt OTM

At what point do you think, "y'know what? I don't think I need this particular paycheck this bad"?

I think when you are watching the doc short played back and you realize you are the dude standing on the platform imitating the jerking movements of a black man struggling to keep from being lynched, you should have some regrets.

http://img.youtube.com/vi/1YWYPaY5UUg/0.jpg

g.o.a.t. eyes

omg :55

the salad days of Qoolout and Hillis 3000