I'm sure they thought that even at the time, since they probably had the biggest budget they'd ever had.
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Saturday, 24 May 2014 00:32 (ten years ago) link
prism never felt like an event album to me although yes it was a followup to a blockbuster
― dyl, Saturday, 24 May 2014 14:58 (ten years ago) link
jesus…. centipede hz might be a fairweather johnsonmr impossible by black dice is a fairweather johnson
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 25 May 2014 08:31 (ten years ago) link
Yeah Alfred OTM, why are people talking about Sonic Youth or the Flaming Lips or Animal Collective on this thread?
― Matt DC, Sunday, 25 May 2014 11:42 (ten years ago) link
ilx quotas
― getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 May 2014 11:45 (ten years ago) link
There's also these artists whose popularity massively exceeds the extent to which people actually talk about them - I have no idea if there's a Michael Buble or Snow Patrol New Jersey.
The last undeniable New Jersey is probably the 20/20 Experience. Although I'm guessing that the One Direction one, when it appears, is going to be huge and pronounced.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 25 May 2014 12:00 (ten years ago) link
I'd probably deny 2020 with a "too soon to tell" esp considering dude is in the top ten with a song off part 2 right now
― da croupier, Sunday, 25 May 2014 12:15 (ten years ago) link
And on the other hand despite the opening week boom the drop off single wise and album sales wise between future sex and 2020 part 1 is enough that New Jersey status may be too flattering.
― da croupier, Sunday, 25 May 2014 12:24 (ten years ago) link
Also hard to really say Part 2 is his Keep The Faith when its a year-later tack-on to the alleged NJ. Load works as a New Jersey becuz whether you say the follow up is reload, s&m or st anger doesn't matter. The career decline is there, no ambiguity about it.
― da croupier, Sunday, 25 May 2014 12:29 (ten years ago) link
Lol wait reload did 4x platinum anywaaaay I just think its silly to go there for newish albums, feels more like people making wishes than applying hindsight
― da croupier, Sunday, 25 May 2014 12:51 (ten years ago) link
Collapse of record sales generally over the same period also makes it hopeless to compare anything, unless we develop a statistic that denotes an album's sales divided by total album sales in all formats at that date, times some factor to keep it from being a tiny fraction or w/e.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 25 May 2014 13:11 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYbEB7tQF80
― maura, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
THE ONLY ROCK ALBUM IN HISTORY WITH 5 TOP TEN HITS should have a "60s bands released multiple albums a year, jovi hawked one over two years, don't get it twisted" asterisk
― da croupier, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:17 (ten years ago) link
the only *rock* album you'll note. there must have been tons more in other genres. weedy boast IMO.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link
"the only rock album in history with with 5 top ten hits"??? bon jovi might want to talk to a certain neighbor of theirs on the jersey shore about that.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link
also, obvi, the "5" should be spelled out and the "ten" should not. don't they teach ap style at rock school anymore?
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link
also wait a goddamn minute doesn't born in the usa have like 7 top ten hits
lol xpost
― da croupier, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link
Maybe they're sneaking by on the fact that Born in the USA had 7 top 10 hits. That's not 5! It's 7! Only New Jersey had 5.
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
tico torres was on some bullshit like "max played with a jazz grip on that album, it barely even counts as rock"
― some dude, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link
That Jovi's going with this claim only make me angrier that Def Leppard's "Rocket" only got to #12.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link
I hope Bon Jovi got real pedantic and used this logic to make this argument with someone.
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
an album that could have achieved this if the label had given a fuck about the honor re: single formatting - Jagged Little Pill
― da croupier, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
("Ironic," "You Oughta Know" and "You Learn" all went Top 10, "Hand In My Pocket" and "Head Over Feet" did well enough on related charts to suggest it was a technicality they didn't make the big one)
― da croupier, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link
― some dude, Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:23 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hahahahahaha
― sinister porpoise (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link
didn't the alanis record predate the whole dropping of the physical-single requirement for the hot 100
― maura, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link
Maybe they're sneaking by on the fact that Born in the USA had 7 top 10 hits. That's not 5! It's 7! Only New Jersey had 5.― intheblanks, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 12:22 (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkI hope Bon Jovi got real pedantic and used this logic to make this argument with someone.― intheblanks, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 12:24 (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 12:22 (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 12:24 (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Lol, well, if we're being pedantic, Born in the USA did have five top 10 hits; it just had an additional two. Someone could conceivably debate whether it really counts as a rock album (given that e.g. Thriller obv doesn't count) but I don't know if Bon Jovi is that someone.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link
yup, re alanis. "hand" and "head" went to #4 and #1 respectively on the "mainstream Top 40" chart
but man, even if we accept the technicality, bon forgetting about bruce is hysterical
― da croupier, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
I could see someone associated with the Jovi organization, or JovCorp, arguing that BITUSA doesn't count because there's no loud guitars on "Dancing in the Dark" or "My Hometown."
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:43 (ten years ago) link
apparently huey lewis and the news' album "fore!" also had five top 10s. as did "invisible touch" by genesis. in fact the latter had five top 5 hits.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:43 (ten years ago) link
yeah but those guys aren't REAL rock and roll, they've got a lot of synths and...oh wait
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Pv9JXDdJSQI/TwEk6ocfR2I/AAAAAAAAAXc/nk2D_vkplNM/s1600/Bon%252BJovi%252BPerforms%252BNBC%252Bs%252BToday%252BG2YcCVM9mW-l.jpg
― da croupier, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
Pretty clear that they didn't actually fact check this assertion at all. I hope it's just something that's been accepted as true in the Bon Jovi camp for the past 25 years.
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:50 (ten years ago) link
whoever came up with that claim was totally trolling people in this thread
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:50 (ten years ago) link
i mean way to make your huge event album feel a bit hollow, bon jovi
― da croupier, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:52 (ten years ago) link
Some think the verses have an eerily and uncredited similarity (both musically and melodically) to John Lennon's Beatles' track "Don't Let Me Down" (recorded during the Get Back sessions) and the chorus was claimed, by some fans of the late 1980s hard rock genre, to have been culled from an unreleased song by Joel Ellis of Cats in Boots and Heavy Bones.[2][3] Ellis has said that Lehua Reid (Richie Sambora's ex-fiancée) regaled him with anecdotes regarding Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora "sitting at the piano for hours with a box full of tapes they got from people and going through the songs looking for stuff they could rip off and laughing about it, your [Ellis'] song was played over and over and over."[3]
― how's life, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:54 (ten years ago) link
haha hard working plagiarists, sitting at a piano for hours trying not to create anything original
― some dude, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 18:05 (ten years ago) link
then laughing about it
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
lolling at this entire discussion
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
Here is the full list of top ten singles from one album:
7Michael Jackson / Thriller Bruce Springsteen / Born in the U.S.A.Janet Jackson / Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814Michael Jackson / Bad
6George Michael / FaithJanet Jackson / JanetKaty Perry / Teenage Dream
5Paula Abdul / Forever Your GirlMilli Vanilli / Girl You Know It's TrueMadonna / True BlueFergie / The DutchessGenesis / Invisible TouchWhitney Houston / WhitneyJanet Jackson / ControlNew Kids on the Block / Hangin' ToughLionel Richie / Can't Slow DownBlack Eyed Peas / The ENDHuey Lewis & the News / Fore!Bon Jovi / New JerseyBobby Brown / Don't Be Cruel
― LimbsKing, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 19:11 (ten years ago) link
dots and loops - stereolab
― when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Saturday, 10 January 2015 05:17 (nine years ago) link
1989
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 10 January 2015 06:06 (nine years ago) link
yes, sadly
― World B Frizzle (rip van wanko), Saturday, 10 January 2015 06:10 (nine years ago) link
*walks in*
*walks out, slams door*
― da croupier, Saturday, 10 January 2015 06:39 (nine years ago) link
absolutely 1989. completely irredeemable record ("shake it off" is okay, but not redemptively okay).
weezer don't have a career trajectory that quite fits the model but Make Believe is otherwise a clear NJ. all-time biggest commercial/mainstream resonance for them, but one of those CDs that infested used sections a few months after release. marked an irreversible drop-off for them both commercially and critically, too (per p4k's pans people tend to forget it but green and maladroit were actually quite well received upon release).
― soyrev, Saturday, 10 January 2015 09:30 (nine years ago) link
green album was huge when I was in hs
― The Reverend, Saturday, 10 January 2015 10:34 (nine years ago) link
While it was a comeback from Maladroit, Make Believe sold less than the green album and less than half what the blue album, so "all-time biggest commercial/mainstream resonance" seems pretty debatable. Weezer was gold-level rock act that could go platinum with a hit single, and Make Believe was the last time they had one.
So ok in this revive we've got "album from indie act that was laughably nowhere near event status," "extremely popular new album some posters think is poopie and pray is the beginning of the end but can't wait to find out" and "album where someone clearly didn't check the sales figures before making their claims" i forget is there any other offering to NJ-hood that makes me pedantic and huffy we haven't seen yet?
― da croupier, Saturday, 10 January 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
a good metaphor would be that part of a roadrunner cartoon where wile e coyote has run off the cliff and hasn't realized it yet, so by definition it can't be a commercial comeback album. make believe may have felt a bit hollow to critics and to you and me but it's not like "dope nose" and "keep fishin" have proven more enduring than "beverly hills" and "perfect situation".
― da croupier, Saturday, 10 January 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
yeah I see no sign that in 2018 we'll look at 1989 and think, "Wow, here's when we knew the next album was going to be Keep the Faith."
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 January 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link
and as for people who want to say taylor has clearly run off the cliff she already has an answer for you, and it's been in the top ten for going on 20 weeks now, at least let her release her Keep The Faith before you bury her
xpost!
― da croupier, Saturday, 10 January 2015 14:51 (nine years ago) link
admittedly people are looking right about Born This Way but imo announcing new jerseys is far sweeter in hindsight
― da croupier, Saturday, 10 January 2015 14:53 (nine years ago) link
"lol wait THAT song made the top ten? i completely forget how that goes!" vs "oooh i hate that song in the top ten someday the world will realize i am right"
― da croupier, Saturday, 10 January 2015 15:03 (nine years ago) link