The "bad guy" in the band: who are the other Mike Loves in music?

OK, fair enough on the Byrds. But CSN(Y) was a different story.

Billy Corgan doesn't fit, now that i think about it. You can't be the undisputed leader of a band and be a Mike Love. Need to be a pretender to the throne, more of a pre-torture Theon Greyjoy-type to be a Mike Love. Corgan's more of a Joffrey.

xp billy corgan is a brian wilson & a mike love

xps yeah i nominated crosby purely for his time in the byrds.

Lindsey Buckingham is the only member of Fleetwood Mac who isn't a Mike Love

Gene Simmons should actually be the bass player in The Mike Loves.

xpost sorry I don't actually know much of the ins and outs of Fleetwood Mac. Lindsey Buckingham is just a really dickish name.

and re crosby i don't dislike "mind gardens" but to most people it's the byrds' "student demonstration time".

lots of amusing search results here for it.

I thought that was Triad? or Chestnut Mare? Byrds have a few Student Demonstration Times.

"mind gardens" seems to be the most universally hated.

Dude wrote Ladyfriend. That's a Mike Love disqualifier in my book.

Steve Perry was surely the Mike Love of Journey, though putting Neal Schon at the same rank as Brian Wilson is making my brain laugh.

it's hard to think of three people who - after their initial stardom - made more records that you don't need to own than the members of cream. and believe you me i've heard a LOT of stuff that jack bruce is on. and you pretty much don't need any of it. if it weren't for that one masters of reality album (which i adore) i wouldn't have any ginger baker in my record collection.

wtf, "Triad" is like the 2nd best Byrds song

I want to second Stills; notice you don't see Stills & Nash solo records. Eat a peach, asshole.

Cream is the band whose rep has dropped the highest in the entire histoire de rock, selon moi.

I have all three West, Bruce & Laing albums in my iPod right now. But I'm insane.

Jack Bruce's first two or three solo records are pretty decent, certainly far better than any non-Dominos Crapton thing.

People, people, the first Jack Bruce solo album, Songs For A Tailor, the tailor being Jeannie Franklyn who, along with Martin Lamble, died when the Fairport Convention tour bus crashed, is actually a good album.
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Richard Thompson - Bruce - Baker would be a fun band, come to think of it.

you can live a very happy and wonderful life without owning a jack bruce solo album. man, i even tried to like all those kip hanrahan albums he is on. blah....

clapton is easy: yardbirds stuff, disraeli gears, layla, blind faith. voila, you are done.

I like the title track from Frank Zappa's Apostrophe that Jack Bruce plays on

and to be honest you can get away without owning clapton yardbirds stuff. they were way better after he left.

and if there was a great audiophile-quality 12 inch of "can't find my home" you could do without blind faith too.

disraeli gears is solid though. and it has sunshine of your love which was their only undeniably great song. not like you ever need to hear it again, but just in case...

Gene Simmons is obviously the king of fairly talentless business-minded asshole bass players

many xpps

who also doesn't describe himself as a "musician" iirc

yeah, definitely otm re:Simmons. Tricky thing there is that Kiss is full of a-holes and there's no one regarded as the visionary or the the "soul" of the group.

Gene is irrefutably a raging asshole, but he's not the business meister he asserts that he is (according to Paul Stanley's new memoir) and he CAN play capably. Peter Criss, however, is a crap musician and dragged proceedings down to a standstill.

Greg Ginn, esp of late

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Anthony Kiedis

the "untalented" rap Mike Love has

i don't like him much as a human being either, but dude could sing, and wrote some damn good lyrics too.

Tricky thing about this is some of these guys are the creative forces behind their band. Ginn is a monumental a-hole, but is really a Mike Love if he's the guy who set the artistic vision for his legendary group?

Props on the businessman thing, though; Ginn's rep as a thief is legendary.

xposts i guess triad just creeps me out because it's david crosby trying to talk you into a 3-way

or the the "soul" of the group.

^closest thing is Ace

Yeah, after posting that I realized I actually had no idea if one of the Kiss dudes was regarded as the spirit of the band, in the same way Keith is in the Stones.

The way the Go-Go's got rid of Kathy Valentine makes them all seem like Mike Love.

i guess triad just creeps me out because it's david crosby trying to talk you into a 3-way

― brio,

what he did to Nash and Stills in '76 and '82?

A lesser known one of these is Derek Shulman in Gentle Giant. Wasn't the creative force, apparently called the shots, ended up an A&R guy - say no more.

Bun E. Carlos, apparently.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:59 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Seriously? I thought Cheap Trick were chill dudes.

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I did too, but http://www.rttnews.com/2183231/cheap-trick-countersue-bun-e-carlos.aspx

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CT ousting Bun and putting Rick Nielsen's kid on drums Eddie Van Halen-style makes me think of Nielsen as the villain of the situation, unless something has come to light about the reason for the band's beef with Bun that i haven't heard

Birdman was the bad guy of Big Tymers

tommy hall from 13th floor elevators owns this thread, i think. he turned roky on to heavy drugs, and now he's a hippie racist living in an SRO.

and by all accounts he was a creep with delusions of grandeur.

how the hell are Glenn Frey and/or Henley not the first names on this list

b/c everyone in the eagles was the bad guy in the band?

Bob Markley from The West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band? If we're talking creeps with delusions of grandeur, which admittedly describes about 95% of musicians.

Being from Cheap Trick's hometown, I try to follow these kind of things. As far as I can tell, the other members of Cheap Trick realized they could pay a young guy replacing Bun E. Carlos a lot less, so that's exactly what they did.