thread for discussion of guitarists i have only heard of because i read guitar magazines in the late 90s

Leather ahem

I got these stonewashed tight jeans...this black t-shirt

Haha I actually have a neil zaza signature pedal in stock no lie. Purchase had exactly zero to do with association with Neil zaza, it's a repro of a long lost great dod pedal (yeah I know, but srsly) called the juice box.

http://www.mooeraudio.com/EN/news_show.asp?MsgID=66

Posts very much in character yes I know

O_O

for a while guitar player mag was the cool alternative to guitar mag. their johnny marr cover story was formative for me.

― fact checking cuz, Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:48 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i found a ratty old copy of it somewhere when i was a kid, from the mid/late 80s and they actually did a story on the avant garde guitar scene! featured sonic youth, live skill, savage republic, rat at rar r, and bands like that - first exposure to any of that

― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, May 15, 2014 9:04 PM (3 days ago)

I might still have this issue. Big story on Sonic Youth, with tunings and tablature, and a big annotated fold-out poster of famous players' guitar picks.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41fJ6z6Zg2L._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/Guitar-Magazine-February-Improvisation-Painted/dp/B00I14TBWK

Zaza's Pedals.
― overwhelmed with sweat (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, May 17, 2014 7:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol

Hmm, I guess the tuning and tab for Teenage Riot would be cool to know.

Guitar (formerly 'For the Practicing Musician') in the 90s did jizz a lot over these dudes (and I remember being all 'uhhh ok' whenever I heard any of it), but tbf they always gave equal credit to up and coming bands that wrote interesting music and weren't really flashy. I remember them giving Crowbar's "Time Heals Nothing" a pretty glowing review.

but then they'd review the latest Toto and whine that in the midst of a glossy pop album that Lukather wasn't lighting up the fretboard more and you're like "...ohhhh welcome back, Guitar".

Hmm, I guess the tuning and tab for Teenage Riot would be cool to know.

one of the first things i did after getting access to 90s Usenet was print out a table of known Sonic Youth guitar tunings. i showed it to a guy i knew who said that SY were "pretentious" for tuning their guitars differently - this guy was a huge Dylan fan as well haha

http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/tab/teenage_riot.txt

Hey, if anyone has copies of any of the Guitar Player issues (or other guitar mags for that matter) with features on Sonic Youth, could you please contact me? I've been searching for them for something I'm working on now.

Those pretentious blues slide guitarists and their "open E"

would jump all over a pdf of that issue myself xpost

When Joe Gore (later w/ PJ Harvey) was the Editor-in-Chief, Guitar Player had a lot of articles of interest for the Kool Kidz.

he also took up tom waits gtr duties after ribot iirc

what kind of music is this even?

i've been thinking about this question a lot. i think the answer is "demonstration music"

if you think of art in terms of how much athleticism is required you probably like this music

you know a lot of the time the rococo blast of lots of bright textures at high speeds is really appealing to me but generally the melodic sense of these guys is so terrible

i mean i was listening to hella today so i guess i can't be one to talk

hella is almost certainly the best candidate for indie analogue to this kind of music

Athleticism is a good comparison, M@tt and I always talk about this stuff as being like a magic trick. It can be cool and fun to watch the first time, but it certainly doesn't sustain yr interest as art.

And that Al DiMeola "Kiss My Axe" album cover up there is the greatest thing ever

There are hip hop equivalents to this too, dudes who can rap super fast and complexly but don't really say much or have any style.

http://a3.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Music2/v4/d5/a9/fd/d5a9fd1a-2656-9be3-fad3-265d2694d269/859710076054_cover.170x170-75.jpg

there's a vague steely dan vibe on this album

I bet guthrie could have done well in a dan session

I kinda like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Deu_M6Q0g

I mean I'm going to buy this thing and learn to play it

and i'm going to arrange by stuffed animals around me and pretend they are fagen, becker, et al.

Do it, and please post a video. Guitar World usually seemed cooler than Guitar Player in the 90s (think GW was where Bob Quine had a column for a while; not like a classroom, the way some others did it, but a fairly evocative discussion of his faves: he was really into Mickey Baker). But GP tried. They had CD series, Legends of Guitar, which delved into several genres (like two volumes of country, bringing the A-List Nashville cats). Also I've still got this: not too big on the Barney Kessel etc, but always did 'ppreciate the range. incl the last two tracks (CD Bonus Tracks!)
Legends Of Guitar Presents Legends Of Guitar-Jazz, Vol.1
Label:
Rhino Records (2) ‎– R2 70717
Format:
CD, Compilation
Country:
US
Released:
1990
Genre:
Jazz
Style:

Tracklist Hide Credits
1 –Frankie Trumbauer & His Orchestra* I'm Coming, Virginia

Guitar – Eddie Lang

3:13
2 –Kansas City Six, The* Countless Blues

Guitar – Freddie Green*

3:02
3 –Jack Teagarden & His Orchestra* Pickin' For Patsy

Guitar – Allan Reuss

2:45
4 –George Barnes Quartet I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles

Guitar – George Barnes

2:58
5 –Charlie Christian Up On Teddy's Hill

Guitar – Charlie Christian

6:10
6 –Cats & The Fiddle, The* Stomp Stomp (Fox Trot)

Guitar – Tiny Grimes

2:58
7 –Charlie Parker All Stars* Relaxin' At Camarillo

Guitar – Barney Kessel

3:10
8 –Lennie Tristano & His Sextet* Intuition

Guitar – Billy Bauer

2:30
9 –Laurindo Almeida Blue Balao

Guitar – Laurindo Almeida

3:21
10 –Tal Farlow Gibson Boy

Guitar – Barry Galbraith

2:46
11 –Howard Roberts Serenata Burlesca

Guitar – Howard Roberts

3:10
12 –Wes*, Buddy* & Monk Montgomery Montgomery Funk

Guitar – Wes Montgomery

4:19
13 –Lenny Breau Mercy, Mercy, Mercy

Guitar – Lenny Breau

5:27
14 –Larry Coryell Spaces (Infinite)

Guitar – John McLaughlin, Larry Coryell

9:21
15 –John Scofield Shinola

Guitar – John Scofield

2:39
16 –Derek Bailey Scaling

Guitar – Derek Bailey

2:30
Notes

Billy Bauer is really intriguing too; need to dig up my Lennie Tristano cult CDs.

ey Guitar Player, you really wanna impress me with your Derek Bailey refs then give me some tabs.

Govan is def aware of SDan. There's a 30 minute lesson of his on youtube where he calls one of the chords in a progression he wrote a 'cheap Steely Dan chord.'

Visually I can see Govan in the early 70s Dan set up. Late 70s not so much

I remembered Adrian Davison, a Canadian bass player who was billed as "the world's fastest", advertised in the 90s guitar and bass magazines, yet was not interviewed or reviewed kindly by them. Googling revealed that his playing technique screwed his hands up completely, so that he has been unable to play for years, and this astonishing web site. Be sure to click on the video. http://www.adriandavison.com

what kind of music is this even?

i've been thinking about this question a lot. i think the answer is "demonstration music"

― goole, Monday, July 21, 2014 4:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In this interview with Adrian Davison, the interviewer refers to the late 80s/early 90s as "the golden age for player rock".

http://www.globalbass.com/archives/july2001/adrian_davison.htm

I like how in that interview he blames the hand problems on emotional stress -- man, look at your wrists on that Oh Canada video and say that again with a straight face. Hurts to watch!

player rock!

"Hey man, is that Player Rock?"
"Yeah man!"
"Well, zoom the camera in on his fretting hand, man!"

i laughed, but then, i really wish they would zoom in on the fretting hand

I agree. Watching these guys play is half the enjoyment.

as a man tainted by guitar store life, there is no enjoyment to be found here

which song do you hear most?

i think the audience for Player Rock and for jam bands overlaps pretty heavily? at least i had friends in high school who were into both

music-as-technical-performance etc etc

kids in high school = the primary audience for both

i have enjoyed some robin trower

I'd like to see YOU GUYS play Allan Holdsworth.

I wouldn't